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[Shinobu]

At this point I believe ME4 is already in production and probably builds on the Synthesis ending. IIRC, at the very beginning of the endings uproar a post from someone at Bioware appeared saying "we're so sorry you feel this way but we've already started ME4 and it features Synthesis." (Anybody have a screencap?) The post lasted a few hours and then was removed. This coupled with Bioware "doubling down" on Synthesis via the EC, trying to make the other choices less attractive in Leviathan, and the rumor of Jessica Merizan telling someone's brother that Synthesis is it, makes it appear that too many resources have been already spent on ME:Synthesis for them to change course now.

There are a few problems:
Many people don't like Synthesis
Many people don't want one ending made canon (especially if it's Synthesis)
The endings are different enough that you can't shoehorn all of them into a single game (Is everybody green -- or not? Are there Geth -- or not? Are husks doing my laundry -- or not?)

I suggest that Bioware continue with ME:Synthesis because they can't do anything else, but instead of trying to make a post-Synthesis trilogy, instead they make four different alternate universe sequels:

ME4a: Synthesis
ME4b: Successful Refuse
ME4c: Destroy
ME4d: Control

This would free them from having to make choices in ME4 "importable" because there would be no ME5. Also, very different stories could be told given the different starting points. This could also win back some of the fanbase because while I have very little interest in ME:Synthesis if it is going to be the ONE future of the ME universe, I'd be interested to play it as an AU if I knew there would eventually be other endings to explore.

How do you feel about it?

Edit: I should add: ME4e: Indoctrination Theory

Modifié par Shinobu, 22 septembre 2012 - 02:40 .

[jpraelster93]

It wouldnt be a long game if they imported 4 different endings they shouldnt do a sequel for this very reason

[Shinobu]

jpraelster93 wrote...

It wouldnt be a long game if they imported 4 different endings they shouldnt do a sequel for this very reason

Exactly. That's why it can't be one game with 4 endings as starting points. It would have to be 4 different games.

[arial]

 

[MegaSovereign]

All non-refusing endings would likely be canon. They're probably going to find a way to combine all three concepts so that way the gameplay doesn't drastically change.

[Shinobu]

MegaSovereign wrote...

All non-refusing endings would likely be canon. They're probably going to find a way to combine all three concepts so that way the gameplay doesn't drastically change.

That seems to be the tactic they took with ME3 to avoid "loss of content" by making interchangeable characters. I personally think that's the wrong way to go because it makes choices less meaningful ("Don't have Mordin? Have Padok Wiiks!") and would be a bear to implement. How would they deal with the possible loss of the Geth in Destroy? Make them reinvented by Xen prior to ME4? Would everyone no longer be green after Synthesis? Would there still be Reaper forces or not and would they be sentient or mindless eatin' machines?

I think thematically distinct games would be more compelling and less "lowest common denominator" (i.e. bland and boring).

[jpraelster93]

Shinobu wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

It wouldnt be a long game if they imported 4 different endings they shouldnt do a sequel for this very reason

Exactly. That's why it can't be one game with 4 endings as starting points. It would have to be 4 different games.

You cant be serious

[Shinobu]

jpraelster93 wrote...

Shinobu wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

It wouldnt be a long game if they imported 4 different endings they shouldnt do a sequel for this very reason

Exactly. That's why it can't be one game with 4 endings as starting points. It would have to be 4 different games.

You cant be serious

Why not? If they really are making ME:Synthesis right now, I think it would be better for their bottom line to offer ME:Destroy next instead of ME:Synthesis part 2.

Modifié par Shinobu, 22 septembre 2012 - 02:51 .

[arial]

Shinobu wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

Shinobu wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

It wouldnt be a long game if they imported 4 different endings they shouldnt do a sequel for this very reason

Exactly. That's why it can't be one game with 4 endings as starting points. It would have to be 4 different games.

You cant be serious

Why not?

read your posts back to yourself, you'll see why

[Jamie9]

That is not going to sell as well as... anything else. EA simply wouldn't have it.

[MissMaster_2]

It would be awesome and it is really the only way they could fix this mess. But I don't think EA is willing to put in the extra time and money in to it.

[arial]

it would divide the profits to much.

as everyone would only buy the title of their fav ending.

Heres a little math to show you why it will not work.

You spend $200 Dollars developing a product, and sell it to 4 people for $100 each. thats $200 profit!

Now, you spend $200 on four separate products (which equals $800), and each product only sells to one of those people. that is a $400 loss. and Losses make people lose jobs.



Of course, this post will be ignored like all my arguments...

[Shinobu]

MissMaster_2 wrote...

It would be awesome and it is really the only way they could fix this mess. But I don't think EA is willing to put in the extra time and money in to it.

It certainly depends on how well the next ME game does. If it is ME:Synthesis, I predict it will do less well than ME3 did. At that point EA will have to decide whether they pull the plug on the franchise, double down with ME:Synthesis part 2 or give fans a different game that many of us truly want.

[arial]

Shinobu wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

It would be awesome and it is really the only way they could fix this mess. But I don't think EA is willing to put in the extra time and money in to it.

It certainly depends on how well the next ME game does. If it is ME:Synthesis, I predict it will do less well than ME3 did. At that point EA will have to decide whether they pull the plug on the franchise, double down with ME:Synthesis part 2 or give fans a different game that many of us truly want.

read my above post about Profits

[jpraelster93]

Shinobu wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

It would be awesome and it is really the only way they could fix this mess. But I don't think EA is willing to put in the extra time and money in to it.

It certainly depends on how well the next ME game does. If it is ME:Synthesis, I predict it will do less well than ME3 did. At that point EA will have to decide whether they pull the plug on the franchise, double down with ME:Synthesis part 2 or give fans a different game that many of us truly want.

Your a moron to think they would make a game for each ending that wouldnt be worth the time or money as it wouldnt make that time and money back well enough

[o Ventus]

MegaSovereign wrote...

All non-refusing endings would likely be canon. They're probably going to find a way to combine all three concepts so that way the gameplay doesn't drastically change.

Just like Deus Ex: Invisible War.

I'm sure the merging of endings from the previous game isn't one of the reasons why DE:IW was complete garbage. At all.

Modifié par o Ventus, 22 septembre 2012 - 03:06 .

[Shinobu]

arial wrote...

it would divide the profits to much.

as everyone would only buy the title of their fav ending.

Heres a little math to show you why it will not work.

You spend $200 Dollars developing a product, and sell it to 4 people for $100 each. thats $200 profit!

Now, you spend $200 on four separate products (which equals $800), and each product only sells to one of those people. that is a $400 loss. and Losses make people lose jobs.



Of course, this post will be ignored like all my arguments...

Actually, your other posts in this thread were not arguments, which is why they were ignored.

I see it differently. Many people like ME because you can have very different outcomes. I believe many people would buy more than one sequel in order to experience different consequences. The sequels would have to be VASTLY different, not just reskins with a few lines of different dialogue, mind you, but different plots, different antagonists, different returning squadmates, the works.

ME:Synthesis is not poised to sell well if the general distain for Synthesis lasts for another 2 years. I see it as Bioware spending $200 and getting one person to buy it. Net -$100. They could make that up by making a different sequel, ME:Successful Refuse, which would sell much better, and having satisfied the "anti-enders," might lure them into taking a chance on ME:Synthesis as well. Right now many people are voting with their wallets because they find all of the colored endings unpalatable. Once an ending they LIKE is made achievable, I think they will return to experience the rest, because Bioware does make high quality games.

Modifié par Shinobu, 22 septembre 2012 - 11:10 .

[jpraelster93]

Shinobu wrote...

arial wrote...

it would divide the profits to much.

as everyone would only buy the title of their fav ending.

Heres a little math to show you why it will not work.

You spend $200 Dollars developing a product, and sell it to 4 people for $100 each. thats $200 profit!

Now, you spend $200 on four separate products (which equals $800), and each product only sells to one of those people. that is a $400 loss. and Losses make people lose jobs.



Of course, this post will be ignored like all my arguments...

Actually, your other posts in this thread were not arguments, which is why they were ignored.

I see it differently. Many people like ME because you can have very different outcomes. I believe many people would buy more than one sequel in order to experience different consequences. The sequels would have to be VASTLY different, not just reskins with a few lines of different dialogue, mind you, but different plots, different antagonists, different returning squadmates, the works.

ME:Synthesis is not poised to sell well if the general distain for Synthesis lasts for another 2 years. I see it as Bioware spending $200 and getting one person to buy it. Net -$100. They could make that up by making a different sequel, ME:Successful Refuse, which would sell much better, and having satisfied the "anti-enders," might lure them into taking a chance on ME:Synthesis as well. Right now many people are voting with their walets because they find all of the colored endings unpalatable. Once an ending they LIKE is made achievable, I think they will return to experience the rest, because Bioware does make high quality games.

The only way this would work is if the games were like 40 bucks a piece and even then its a retarded idea

[arial]

Shinobu wrote...

arial wrote...

it would divide the profits to much.

as everyone would only buy the title of their fav ending.

Heres a little math to show you why it will not work.

You spend $200 Dollars developing a product, and sell it to 4 people for $100 each. thats $200 profit!

Now, you spend $200 on four separate products (which equals $800), and each product only sells to one of those people. that is a $400 loss. and Losses make people lose jobs.



Of course, this post will be ignored like all my arguments...

Actually, your other posts in this thread were not arguments, which is why they were ignored.

I see it differently. Many people like ME because you can have very different outcomes. I believe many people would buy more than one sequel in order to experience different consequences. The sequels would have to be VASTLY different, not just reskins with a few lines of different dialogue, mind you, but different plots, different antagonists, different returning squadmates, the works.

ME:Synthesis is not poised to sell well if the general distain for Synthesis lasts for another 2 years. I see it as Bioware spending $200 and getting one person to buy it. Net -$100. They could make that up by making a different sequel, ME:Successful Refuse, which would sell much better, and having satisfied the "anti-enders," might lure them into taking a chance on ME:Synthesis as well. Right now many people are voting with their walets because they find all of the colored endings unpalatable. Once an ending they LIKE is made achievable, I think they will return to experience the rest, because Bioware does make high quality games.

get up, go to the local university, and enroll in a Business Ethics course, because what you are saying goes against everything you learn in that course.

[Shinobu]

jpraelster93 wrote...

Shinobu wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

It would be awesome and it is really the only way they could fix this mess. But I don't think EA is willing to put in the extra time and money in to it.

It certainly depends on how well the next ME game does. If it is ME:Synthesis, I predict it will do less well than ME3 did. At that point EA will have to decide whether they pull the plug on the franchise, double down with ME:Synthesis part 2 or give fans a different game that many of us truly want.

Your a moron to think they would make a game for each ending that wouldnt be worth the time or money as it wouldnt make that time and money back well enough

Be polite or be ignored. Your choice.

If Synthesis is the only sequel ever offered, I doubt I will buy it. If ME: Destroy or ME:Successful Refuse is made, I would probably buy them. And I if I liked them I would go back and buy synthesis. Again, they would have to be different games,not just the same game with Geth replaced by friendly Reapers. Give Miranda a big role in Destroy and Tali a big role in Control and people will buy both.

[Jamie9]

This is a great idea in a world where money isn't the deciding factor. Since it is, this will never happen.

[jpraelster93]

Shinobu wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

Shinobu wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

It would be awesome and it is really the only way they could fix this mess. But I don't think EA is willing to put in the extra time and money in to it.

It certainly depends on how well the next ME game does. If it is ME:Synthesis, I predict it will do less well than ME3 did. At that point EA will have to decide whether they pull the plug on the franchise, double down with ME:Synthesis part 2 or give fans a different game that many of us truly want.

Your a moron to think they would make a game for each ending that wouldnt be worth the time or money as it wouldnt make that time and money back well enough

Be polite or be ignored. Your choice.

If Synthesis is the only sequel ever offered, I doubt I will buy it. If ME: Destroy or ME:Successful Refuse is made, I would probably buy them. And I if I liked them I would go back and buy synthesis. Again, they would have to be different games,not just the same game with Geth replaced by friendly Reapers. Give Miranda a big role in Destroy and Tali a big role in Control and people will buy both.

All im saying is that THIS MAKES NO SENSE buisness wise they wouldnt make the money back they are going to make 1 game and if they are smart IT WONT BE A SEQUEL

[Iconoclaste]

Unbelievable. lol

[arial]

Shinobu wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

Shinobu wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

It would be awesome and it is really the only way they could fix this mess. But I don't think EA is willing to put in the extra time and money in to it.

It certainly depends on how well the next ME game does. If it is ME:Synthesis, I predict it will do less well than ME3 did. At that point EA will have to decide whether they pull the plug on the franchise, double down with ME:Synthesis part 2 or give fans a different game that many of us truly want.

Your a moron to think they would make a game for each ending that wouldnt be worth the time or money as it wouldnt make that time and money back well enough

Be polite or be ignored. Your choice.

If Synthesis is the only sequel ever offered, I doubt I will buy it. If ME: Destroy or ME:Successful Refuse is made, I would probably buy them. And I if I liked them I would go back and buy synthesis. Again, they would have to be different games,not just the same game with Geth replaced by friendly Reapers. Give Miranda a big role in Destroy and Tali a big role in Control and people will buy both.

according to Psychology, when someone ignores something, 10% of the time its because they know they can not argue against it.

[Shinobu]

arial wrote...

Shinobu wrote...

arial wrote...

it would divide the profits to much.

as everyone would only buy the title of their fav ending.

Heres a little math to show you why it will not work.

You spend $200 Dollars developing a product, and sell it to 4 people for $100 each. thats $200 profit!

Now, you spend $200 on four separate products (which equals $800), and each product only sells to one of those people. that is a $400 loss. and Losses make people lose jobs.



Of course, this post will be ignored like all my arguments...

Actually, your other posts in this thread were not arguments, which is why they were ignored.

I see it differently. Many people like ME because you can have very different outcomes. I believe many people would buy more than one sequel in order to experience different consequences. The sequels would have to be VASTLY different, not just reskins with a few lines of different dialogue, mind you, but different plots, different antagonists, different returning squadmates, the works.

ME:Synthesis is not poised to sell well if the general distain for Synthesis lasts for another 2 years. I see it as Bioware spending $200 and getting one person to buy it. Net -$100. They could make that up by making a different sequel, ME:Successful Refuse, which would sell much better, and having satisfied the "anti-enders," might lure them into taking a chance on ME:Synthesis as well. Right now many people are voting with their walets because they find all of the colored endings unpalatable. Once an ending they LIKE is made achievable, I think they will return to experience the rest, because Bioware does make high quality games.

get up, go to the local university, and enroll in a Business Ethics course, because what you are saying goes against everything you learn in that course.

What I'm suggesting is unethical? Again, make an argument or go back to being ignored.