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[FINE HERE]

moilami wrote...

FINE HERE wrote...

I just... Wow. Are you serious? You can't be serious...

I am dead serious in that women can't compete physically against men. If you disagree, then you have maybe played too much video games and forgot totally how the world is in real

I am serious in that too that please don't make as ridiculous characters as the woman whose picture I posted on the OP is. Or if you do, please give us a choise to chose

[dialogue wheel - wakeup call]
- what is this ****? Do you think I tell you something? Hahahahahahaha. I tell you nothing. You tell me everything. Now bend over you dirty **** and you get what is best for you.

... o.O

[Il Divo]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Citing The Witcher as a "masterpiece" on how to approach gender in fiction is my cue to bail on this thread because it's far too silly.

And that's saying something, considering it started with a picture ripped from the Support Mustaches in DA3 thread.

Eh, I think the OP alone was a pretty clear indicator of where this was going. And that's nowhere good, to say the least.

Modifié par Il Divo, 22 septembre 2012 - 04:13 .

[Lithuasil]

Why are you all still playing with the troll? Let it die already.

[Vandicus]

cindercatz wrote...

syllogi wrote...

Putting a fake mustache on Cassandra would ruin my immersion, too, OP. I stand with you in your objection to fake mustaches on Cassandra.

 Yeah, I'm with you on this. That would really throw me off.

edit: My actual opinion = thread is nuts. A legitimate arguement would be that weapons in DA2 are a bit over-sized in general.

The weapons in the Dragon Age setting are plain inaccurate. That's ok though, its a fantasy setting. A wizard did it! 

[cindercatz]

This whole historical thing is incorrect anyway. There have always, since prehistoric hunter-gatherer raids, been female combatants. During the middle ages, while women might not have been sent off to war so much, you still had Joan D'Arc, and you still had women trained in bo staff fighting in Japan (to defend themself and their home if need be), and you still had female gladiators before that, and you still had all-female elite royal guards in some places in the world.

Whether women are actively warriors in a culture is by and large up to that culture, not biology. Generally, they're going to be training and skilled in ways that support and promote their own physical attributes, but there can and have always been women warriors.

[cindercatz]

Vandicus wrote...

cindercatz wrote...

syllogi wrote...

Putting a fake mustache on Cassandra would ruin my immersion, too, OP. I stand with you in your objection to fake mustaches on Cassandra.

 Yeah, I'm with you on this. That would really throw me off.

edit: My actual opinion = thread is nuts. A legitimate arguement would be that weapons in DA2 are a bit over-sized in general.

The weapons in the Dragon Age setting are plain inaccurate. That's ok though, its a fantasy setting. A wizard did it! 

  Yeah, or maybe Thedas is just a little bit small with lighter gravity?

[cindercatz]

Nyoka wrote...

Relevant! :happy:

Ye Shiwen is awesome. I remember when she raced in the Olympics the media immediately started accusing her of steroids, despite the fact that she's a teenager, she's (as all medalists are) automatically tested after the races, and she's actually within the expected growth curve of her earlier times. She's just a phenom, but it seems a lot of people have a hard time accepting it even when all evidence says she's just that great, end of story.

[CuriousArtemis]

Oh, I'm sorry; I thought it was the year 2012 *blinks* My mistake....

[Il Divo]

cindercatz wrote...

This whole historical thing is incorrect anyway. There have always, since prehistoric hunter-gatherer raids, been female combatants. During the middle ages, while women might not have been sent off to war so much, you still had Joan D'Arc, and you still had women trained in bo staff fighting in Japan (to defend themself and their home if need be), and you still had female gladiators before that, and you still had all-female elite royal guards in some places in the world.

Whether women are actively warriors in a culture is by and large up to that culture, not biology. Generally, they're going to be training and skilled in ways that support and promote their own physical attributes, but there can and have always been women warriors.

Well, here's the other thing to consider: even if the historical aspect were correct anyway, does anyone really care?

Strictly-speaking, I'm not playing Dragon Age to be 100% consistent with history. If badass females in armor killing darkspawn  makes for fun and interesting characters/content, I'm just going to roll with it.

Modifié par Il Divo, 22 septembre 2012 - 04:34 .

[PsychoBlonde]

moilami wrote...

I am dead serious in that women can't compete physically against men. If you disagree, then you have maybe played too much video games and forgot totally how the world is in real 

I sure as hell can.  I know tons of women who can.  Will the very best men probably be better than the very best women?  In a lot of areas, yeah.  But here's the thing . . . combat isn't a "competition".  There are no rules other than "be the last one standing".

You think women can't compete against men?  Tell me, then, why women are MORE LIKELY to MURDER their spouses than men are.  If these poor sad skinny helpless women can't "compete", how the hell do they manage to actually KILL the guy?

You don't have to be the best warrior on the field to contribute.  You don't have to be the best to survive, either.  You have to think tactically, work well with the people on your side, and wear some decent protection.

The use of greatswords in fantasy games is completely erroneous, anyway.  You do need a certain amount of upper body strength to use them effectively, but you don't cleave people in twain with them.  They're a specialized weapon used for dealing with horsemen and heavily armored foes.  That, and the weapons that are considered to be "one-handed" weapons (like the longsword, the German version of which is only about six inches shorter than the person wielding it) are generally used two-handed for greater control and flexibility.  I've fought with them a few times, myself, and I never had trouble getting my opponents to spit themselves on my blade--guys would keep trying to match strength with me, and I'd just let them push, get themselves off-balance, and skewer them right in the gut.  Fortunately, they wore cups.

Is strength an asset?  Sure.  But it's not the be-all end-all any more than height and reach are.  Most men aren't big bulky 6-footers, either.  Fighting effectively is more about knowing your capabilities and how to leverage them effectively.  If you're the biggest and the strongest on the battlefield, just means there's more of you to hit.

Heck, an intelligent commander might even be better off putting his ladies into the heavier armor and big shields and having them work as blockers for more lightly-armored men who can then move around and inflict serious damage, trading on their greater speed and agility.  Women also make superior cavalry--less weight for the horse to carry means the horses have more endurance.

[upsettingshorts]

The name moilami was familiar to me, so I did some searching for any previous interactions I've had with him and discovered some evidence as to precisely how much armor he would find acceptable on a woman in his fantasies:

Upsettingshorts wrote...

moilami wrote...

Now you are sarcastically supposing that I would had been trying to convince you - and again I can say it is not true for I have next to zero interest to discuss with you much less convince anything to you.

(I have told you before you are in my "blocked" list, and that means I have no interest to discuss with you. Got a clue?)

If you aren't interested in having a discussion with me then don't use my name as preface to your nonsense.  And it may be stereotyping but it's really hard for me to take a guy who has two naked female toons in his player profile andwrites Isabela as a giggling schoolgirl in childish, self-indulgent vignettes as some kind of master of rhetoric.  

But hey, I'll definitely respect your wishes to stay away from you on the forums from now on.  That I've got no problem with.

 

The answer is none.  Oh look, they're still there, and it looks like he's even added more since.  Fancy that.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 septembre 2012 - 04:54 .

[Sylvanpyxie]

Gender is irrelevant.

If a woman is conditioned to fight and if her body is conditioned to bear heavy armour, then that is exactly what she will do. Women have fought in varying armours, with various weapons, all through-out history and they have been openly accepted by the cultures that allowed them to bear arms, they were also respected by the men that they fought beside.

The only reason Thedas would be any different is because of modern day social prejudices.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 22 septembre 2012 - 04:54 .

[moilami]

cindercatz wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

cindercatz wrote...

syllogi wrote...

Putting a fake mustache on Cassandra would ruin my immersion, too, OP. I stand with you in your objection to fake mustaches on Cassandra.

 Yeah, I'm with you on this. That would really throw me off.

edit: My actual opinion = thread is nuts. A legitimate arguement would be that weapons in DA2 are a bit over-sized in general.

The weapons in the Dragon Age setting are plain inaccurate. That's ok though, its a fantasy setting. A wizard did it! 

  Yeah, or maybe Thedas is just a little bit small with lighter gravity?

I am sure you feel like a genius when you say obvious things like "hey, it is fantasy". Make no doubts of it, I know it is fantasy and I have never thought it would be anything else. The thing is that many different kinds of fantasy world exists. Some of them you would like more and some of them you would like less, and some of them you would not like at all.

I wrote before that you are well served with the fantasy world in DAs. However, I don't get any kicks watching an unbalanced megalomaniac female in heavy plate armour. It does not arouse me. At best I would wish someone would institutionalize her for the sake of public safety. I guess the inquisator organisation has done it though, but not even close to optimal way.

So, even in your fantasy world it would be rather good if there would be a possibility to deal with such abdominons in a proper way. Do you have something against that? That is, do you say how I should play a game?

[Lotion Soronarr]

Corvus I wrote...
I am quite sure we lift a lot more than the weight of a book and do it for sustained periods of time. Women have far more stamina than men. Ask any father that has tried to carry their child trough a zoo, compared to a mother that not only carried her child but the dipper bag and a purse as well.

BWHAHAHAHA... Sorry, but I belive actual results. Ya know..Olympics, word records, actual studies...Which all show the opposite.
Now I don't have a problem with women in armor in games. But once you start saying stupid things like the above I will step in. Men are physicly superior to women and men make beter fighter. The best fighters will always be male. Period.

If you think that is insulting it is only because you put physical prowes as some kind of indicator of overal value of an individual or person. Which is bollocks.
Women have their strengths (like greater pheriphial vision, superior multi-tasking skills, etc..) - it's just that they don't have a tendency to lie in combat. 

[moilami]

PsychoBlonde wrote...


You don't have to be the best warrior on the field to contribute.  You don't have to be the best to survive, either.  You have to think tactically, work well with the people on your side, and wear some decent protection.

Well, Aveline would best contribute to the team by unwearing her armour and tossing her sword to the ground and becoming a pack mule for the rest of the team.

[Pacifien]

Since women in fantasy games are meant for moilami's arousal, perhaps we should discuss the real issue here such as why won't BioWare release a creation kit for a boob jiggling mod? Not only that, but then Cassandra could be modded to be in, shall we say, appropriate attire where only her important lady bits were protected. Am I right?

I'm totally right.

[o Ventus]

moilami wrote...

whykikyouwhy wrote...

moilami wrote...

I wish you don't make such kind of over the top mistakes in DA3 but rather make the NPCs to be more beliavable and able to be taken seriously. So, no heavy plate armours and heavy Zweihänders for females, unless they are some sort of freaks in local minority special interest bar.

@OP - 
While your level of believability/immersion/etc is your own, a woman does not need to be a "freak" to be in plate armor - this is hardly anything "over the top." History has shown us that plenty of women have taken up arms and donned chainmail.

Really? Can you please post some links then. I need more information about that.

You're telling me that you've never, EVER heard of Joan of Arc?

[berelinde]

Uh huh. OP is compensating for something, it seems.

[moilami]

moilami wrote...

PsychoBlonde wrote...


You don't have to be the best warrior on the field to contribute.  You don't have to be the best to survive, either.  You have to think tactically, work well with the people on your side, and wear some decent protection.

Well, Aveline would best contribute to the team by unwearing her armour and tossing her sword to the ground and becoming a pack mule for the rest of the team.

Oh, forgot to mention the obvious that sadly she would suck on that too.

[Alan Rickman]

Women in plate armor?

 

[macin]

So what should all game-women fighters wear according to you?

[Il Divo]

macin wrote...

So what should all game-women fighters wear according to you?

They should all be healers.

[upsettingshorts]

macin wrote...

So what should all game-women fighters wear according to you?

Answered.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 septembre 2012 - 05:06 .

[o Ventus]

Il Divo wrote...

macin wrote...

So what should all game-women fighters wear according to you?

They should all be healers.

"No, you fools! Attack the one wearing the dress!"

[mousestalker]

Pacifien wrote...

Since women in fantasy games are meant for moilami's arousal, perhaps we should discuss the real issue here such as why won't BioWare release a creation kit for a boob jiggling mod? Not only that, but then Cassandra could be modded to be in, shall we say, appropriate attire where only her important lady bits were protected. Am I right?

I'm totally right.

It's hard to argue with you.

City of Heroes had a bewb slider as part of character creation. Perhaps that would help Mr. Moilami's problem?

:innocent: