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[JimmyTheProthean]

Made a thread about this a few years ago. Now that DA3 has been offically announced. I think it would be a good time to state, that i am wanting a badass Javik like Darkspawn Companion. It could indeed work a disciple?
perhaps. They gave us a Prothean in Mass Effect, so a darkspawn companion shouldn't be out of the question , taint aside.

[TheJediSaint]

Errr. I think the closest thing to a darkspawn companion in DA3 that we can reasonably expect is another Grey Warden.

[Reznore57]

I think the taint is kind of contagious.
Beside taking a walk in a village with a darkspawn friend may be wierd.
Guess you could put a bag on his face (with holes , poor creature) .
And if you're tired of being an adventurer , you can always start a freak show.

Actually , It may be a good idea!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Maybe the Messenger from Awakening. He seemed like a good sort. He wears full body armor so just give him a helmet/mask.

[alikilar]

the Messenger actually helped u defend the keep in Awakening and in the end he walks off somewhere i hope he becomes a companion or atleast i think.

Modifié par alikilar, 23 septembre 2012 - 05:43 .

[Villiamus]

Darkspawn are for killing. that is all

[Hanako Ikezawa]

alikilar wrote...

the Messenger actually helped u defend the keep in Awakening and in the end he walks off somewhere i hope he becomes a companion or atleast i think.

He becomes a cloaked vigilante who helps travelers. Or something like that.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Rojahar wrote...

Villiamus wrote...

Darkspawn and mages and elves are for killing. That is all

Fixed.

You humans are all racist. Sorry, I couldn't resist

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Flashlight companion!



More helpful in the Deep Roads than a darkspawn.

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 23 septembre 2012 - 06:19 .

[Foolsfolly]

You want a companion whose mere presence amongst your other companions will spread corruption? Killing them all? And then there's the fact that everywhere you go people will want to kill the companion, like traveling the countryside with Frankenstein's Monster?

...good luck with that.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Foolsfolly wrote...

You want a companion whose mere presence amongst your other companions will spread corruption? Killing them all? And then there's the fact that everywhere you go people will want to kill the companion, like traveling the countryside with Frankenstein's Monster?

...good luck with that.

No, they also want a romance option.

[Foolsfolly]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

You want a companion whose mere presence amongst your other companions will spread corruption? Killing them all? And then there's the fact that everywhere you go people will want to kill the companion, like traveling the countryside with Frankenstein's Monster?

...good luck with that.

No, they also want a romance option.

...implications unpleasant.

[TheBlackBaron]

Frankly, introducing Legion and the "real" geth in ME2 was already enough of an asspull. A darkspawn companion would be even worse.

[Foolsfolly]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Frankly, introducing Legion and the "real" geth in ME2 was already enough of an asspull. A darkspawn companion would be even worse.

Normally I agree with that. Like when Halo 2 pulled the Elites from being mooks into vaguely honorable but misled good guys. I feel it didn't really add to the lore it just existed as... well asspull is a really good term for it.

But Legion was amazingly well done. And it did build a bit from ME1 where Shepard and Tali can talk about the geth and how Shepard believes they just defended themselves. Which made the Reapers behind that too (just like the rachni and damn near every other non-genophage problem in the universe). And damnit, Legion was cool in ME2. He was more than just simple AI character. He, like the Qunari, was a really good representation of that alien Other culture so vastly different than our own.

I just loved talking to the guy. He was the big break-out character from ME2 in my mind.

[TheBlackBaron]

Foolsfolly wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Frankly, introducing Legion and the "real" geth in ME2 was already enough of an asspull. A darkspawn companion would be even worse.

But Legion was amazingly well done. And it did build a bit from ME1 where Shepard and Tali can talk about the geth and how Shepard believes they just defended themselves. Which made the Reapers behind that too (just like the rachni and damn near every other non-genophage problem in the universe). And damnit, Legion was cool in ME2. He was more than just simple AI character. He, like the Qunari, was a really good representation of that alien Other culture so vastly different than our own.

I just loved talking to the guy. He was the big break-out character from ME2 in my mind.

See, I actually agree that Legion was well done, and they wrote him in a way that made you ignore the inherent sense that this really shouldn't work as a narrative. On games where I didn't much care about saving the Normandy crew I usually sought him as soon as the game would let me.

But I think that Legion is the exception that proves the rule. Most of the time, the whole "rebel from their species" thing (Legion and the true geth, of course, being quite different from the past portrayals of the geth even if we're told they're the majority) simply fails to have that kind of backing. Like how Drizzt, as literally the only instance of a non-evil Drow ever, has quite a sizable hatedom among Forgotten Realms fans to the point that Bioware included a random encounter with the possibility of killing him and taking his stuff in BG1.

A companion darkspawn would be like that, except even worse since not only are the Darkspawn uniformly Chaotic Evil, outside of some of the Architect's minions none have even been shown to posess a will of their own.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 23 septembre 2012 - 06:45 .

[Foolsfolly]

There is a high rate of madness amongst the darkspawn. With that said, of course the Messenger appears to be different.

I say appears because should you force the Messenger to defend Amaranthine and should you spare that darkspawn.... it seems to keep helping people (spreading its corruption among those it saves but beggers can't be choosers).

I'm not against seeing that darkspawn again. I'm not against seeing any other sapient darkspawn again. They're a part of the lore, like them or not. But as a companion? No. **** no.

In fact in most cases I'd kill any thinking darkspawn whenever possible. They cannot co-exist with life. They change the very soil under their feet. They're a walking plague and I don't care if that plague has a teddy bear named Fred or not. So do all the other races of Thedas who can't live on destroyed Blighted ground and do not deserve the slow painful madness of darkspawn corruption.

[TEWR]

They cannot co-exist with life

With Thedosians they can. Given how blood magic can actually cure inanimate objects of the Taint and prolong the devastating effects of it in people, the Taint isn't really an issue.

More importantly then what Avernus did with the taint in his own system is that the Architect promised Armaas protection from the Taint. And he had been with them for some time, yet showed no signs of the Taint in his system -- something that the Wardens can sense in people, as Anders shows with Bethany/Carver and Duncan showed with the DE Warden.

So it is indeed possible to coexist with the Darkspawn. It would just take a lot of work.

Also, to the OP: Yes, give me an Awakened Darkspawn companion. I liked them, and while they're learning what to do now with their intelligence and actual morality -- something they have just now started to experience, and are perplexed by and curious about -- they have potential to actually be a race of creatures that can coexist with humanity, if they so choose.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 23 septembre 2012 - 07:05 .

[Foolsfolly]

With Thedosians they can. Given how blood magic can actually cure inanimate objects of the Taint and prolong the devastating effects of it in people, the Taint isn't really an issue.

Conjecture, sir. A demon said it could be done and the end result was still a busted mirror. Can it be done? We don't know. But demons are liars and tend to play their own games with mortals.

More importantly then what Avernus did with the taint in his own system is that the Architect promised Armaas protection from the Taint. And he had been with them for some time, yet showed no signs of the Taint in his system -- something that the Wardens can sense in people, as Anders shows with Bethany/Carver and Duncan showed with the DE Warden.

This is better evidence.

I cannot speak much on it. I can't say I've memorized darkspawn magic but I believe its drawn from the blood, and Wardens of course use Archdemon blood in their ritual. There may be a deeper connection that we're just not privy to. But you are correct there seems to be a way to negate at least some of the affects of darkspawn corruption with blood magic.

I get the feeling there is sense behind the DA magic rules with blood and lyrium (didn't the Nexus Golem say something like 'blood from the Stone'). I just don't see how without some divine being behind it. Or perhaps the Fade itself being a parasitic or even divine being in its own right. It is the seat of the Maker and all...

...hmm... nothing but guesswork in this discussion which makes me unhappy.

To stress again, you are correct in blood magic canceling some of the affects of darkspawn corruption. I can't see that as a cure-all for the population of Thedas though. At least not yet.

[TEWR]

Conjecture, sir. A demon said it could be done and the end result was still a busted mirror. Can it be done? We don't know. But demons are liars and tend to play their own games with mortals.

Not so. Anders, a Grey Warden, says nothing of any Taint being within the mirror when Duncan -- a more experienced Grey Warden then Anders -- could sense the taint in the mirror as well.

He never speaks up. And Merrill goes 7 years without being tainted.

The taint being cleansed from the mirror is something that we have clear proof as being true. Merrill said that she first approached Marethari with the idea of them combining their magic -- that was proven to combat the Taint in DAO in its unamplified state -- on the tainted shard in hopes to cleanse it.

When Marethari refused that, Merrill sought out the only other alternative to amplifying her magic: learning blood magic. She herself notes that had she had sufficient buckets of lyrium lying around her, she could've used that.

All she was told by the Demon was how to use blood magic. Not any particular spell. She never says anything of the sort.

[Dave of Canada]

Yes, I'd love to have someone in my party which makes everyone sick and kills them all off.

[Foolsfolly]

Not so. Anders, a Grey Warden, says nothing of any Taint being within the mirror when Duncan -- a more experienced Grey Warden then Anders -- could sense the taint in the mirror as well.

I'm still skeptical of that. Directly to the point Duncan smashed the mirror to pieces and seemed content enough that it was no longer a threat.

But you're not going to change my mind on this. I'm with Marethari on this one. The demon was just playing Merrill all in order to secure its release.

[TEWR]

But you're ignoring the facts of the situation in favor of an Abomination's words -- one that could perfectly mimic Marethari at a certain point.

1) In DAO, it's established that Marethari's healing magic -- the same healing magic Merrill knows, per Marethari's statements there -- can combat the taint.
2) Merrill never says she learned a particular spell from the demon. Only how to use blood magic itself. Not even Marethari says that Merrill learned a particular spell, or that the demon led her to blood magic. She tries to pin Merrill's learning of blood magic on the Eluvian fragment and the Eluvians themselves.
3) Blood magic has been proven to amplify regular magic's power, in both gameplay and lore.
4) Merrill used blood magic to amplify the power of the magic she already knew, a feat she could've accomplished with lyrium just as easily.
5) She went to Marethari to try and get help with the shard first, a fact she will tell Hawke. Marethari refused.

But, alas, I'm going way off topic now.

Back to the Darkspawn companions! GIMME ONE!.

Dave of Canada wrote...

Yes, I'd love to have someone in my party which makes everyone sick and kills them all off.

Easily solvable. As the Architect and his Darkspawn friends promised Armaas protection from the Taint -- protection he certainly got -- then our Darkspawn companion could come with some form of Darkspawn enchanted item that nullifies his spread of the taint. Something he would wear at all times.

Assuming, of course, said protection can be enchanted into an item. It was never elaborated on much.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 23 septembre 2012 - 08:02 .

[holdenagincourt]

lol

Deepstalker companion as well please!