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[Ridwan]

Zkyire wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

I agree.

Too many people on this forum think sex scenes are tacky while have no problem whatsoever with their characters wandering around covered in blood, carving up people left and right.

Dragon Age games are not rated for children.

It's time the in-game experience started to (fully) reflect that.

No, and it really doesn't need that.

You're not mature just cause you play video games that includes breasts. You're mature by how you live your life and adult enough to not be bothered whether a romance scene has explicits images in it, cause you're a grown up and can imagine the rest what happens and what's been implied.

Like I wrote before, just do it like ME3 did. Have the characters be nude, but use the lighting, arms and such, to cover the private parts (breasts included) and only have the scene last around 20 seconds at most. Everyone wins.

Its not about what we consider mature.

The ratings agencies give it an 18+ or M rating. They have labeled it mature.

Bioware are thus able to do a bit more adult content. But they shy away from it. For the game they made, they got an M rating. Barely. But instead of indulging to get that rating, they try their best to stay just on the fence.

And? With that logic, since it says 18+ they should just do full hardcore pornography scenes in the game too.

[Zkyire]

M25105 wrote...

GodWood wrote...

M25105 wrote...
So let me get this straight, you see games as art and you want nudity in the game, but not for artistic purposes? So... you just want to stare at a couple of breasts?

I want nudity to be in the game when it's contextually appropriate. If two characters are having sex I see no reason why they should be clothed.

Cause we can imagine the rest for ourselves.

> Go to kill Darkspawn.
> Unsheathe sword.
> Fade to black.
> Next scene.

No.

We're not reading books here. We're playing a game. An audio-visual interactive experience. Not showing something defeats the whole purpose.

Modifié par Zkyire, 24 septembre 2012 - 02:17 .

[GodWood]

M25105 wrote...
Cause we can imagine the rest for ourselves.

Why should we? Videogames are a visual medium, why not utilize that?

And why do we draw the line here, why is it sex that must be imagined?

[Ridwan]

Zkyire wrote...

M25105 wrote...

GodWood wrote...

M25105 wrote...
So let me get this straight, you see games as art and you want nudity in the game, but not for artistic purposes? So... you just want to stare at a couple of breasts?

I want nudity to be in the game when it's contextually appropriate. If two characters are having sex I see no reason why they should be clothed.

Cause we can imagine the rest for ourselves.

> Go to kill Darkspawn.
> Unsheathe sword.
> Fade to black.
> Next scene.

No.

We're not reading books here. We're playing a game. An audio-visual interactive experience. Now showing something defeats the whole purpose.

Amount of time spent on killing darkspawn is hours, amount of watching two characters having sex, less than 15 seconds. Big difference. One is essential to the game, cause it's fun and makes you feel like a boss, the other just feels like it was thrown in to satisfy a small crowd.

[Ridwan]

GodWood wrote...

M25105 wrote...
Cause we can imagine the rest for ourselves.

Why should we? Videogames are a visual medium, why not utilize that?

And why do we draw the line here, why is it sex that must be imagined?

Cause it would be no different than porn then. We're playing the game for the game, not to see people hump each other.

[Ambarina]

Awful idea, the witcher is a teenager wet dream build as a game. Alfa male, do what he want, no feelings and porn level personal relationships.

Not close to the things I want in a bioware game. DA:O level of nudity is more than enought.

[Zkyire]

Ambarina wrote...

Awful idea, the witcher is a teenager wet dream build as a game. Alfa male, do what he want, no feelings and porn level personal relationships.

Not close to the things I want in a bioware game. DA:O level of nudity is more than enought.

A man has sex with a woman he likes instead of spending hours talking about her feelings and running errands for her.

Oh my God. The absolute horror of it all.

[GodWood]

M25105 wrote...
Cause it would be no different than porn then.

Or any other visual medium that contains sexual content (e.g. movies, paintings etc)

What's the problem?

We're playing the game for the game, not to see people hump each other.

I'm playing the game for a multitude of reasons. Story being one of them. If the story dictates that the main character (the character I'm playing as) is having sex then I expect to see it.

Modifié par GodWood, 24 septembre 2012 - 02:24 .

[Ridwan]

Zkyire wrote...

Ambarina wrote...

Awful idea, the witcher is a teenager wet dream build as a game. Alfa male, do what he want, no feelings and porn level personal relationships.

Not close to the things I want in a bioware game. DA:O level of nudity is more than enought.

A man has sex with a woman he likes instead of spending hours talking about her feelings and running errands for her.

Oh my God. The absolute horror of it all.

Ah, so it's not about story and building relationships with our fellow companions, but just get them in the bed to see them naked?

[ScarMK]

To quote the Scout. "No way"

[GodWood]

It's strange how despite how the BSN puts so much emphasis on the romantic content of these games (Is character X going to be a LI? Can we marry our LI? Is LI Y bi? Can all LIs be bi? Can we go on dates with the LI? Can we kiss our LI? Will there be more LI centred content? etc etc) the idea of seeing them actually having sex, in the sex scenes is absolutely unthinkable.

[Zkyire]

M25105 wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

Ambarina wrote...

Awful idea, the witcher is a teenager wet dream build as a game. Alfa male, do what he want, no feelings and porn level personal relationships.

Not close to the things I want in a bioware game. DA:O level of nudity is more than enought.

A man has sex with a woman he likes instead of spending hours talking about her feelings and running errands for her.

Oh my God. The absolute horror of it all.

Ah, so it's not about story and building relationships with our fellow companions, but just get them in the bed to see them naked?

Mother of God.

Geralt has a close relationship with Triss. But she doesn't get him to run errands for her. Or blather on about her feelings constantly. They're just there for each other.

The Bioware method of "romances" just isn't that good.

"Get this thing for me."
"Okay now I'm in love with you."

Geralt also has the option to solicit prostitutes. Keyword: option. Nobody forces you to use them.

[Zkyire]

GodWood wrote...

It's strange how despite how the BSN puts so much emphasis on the romantic content of these games (Is character X going to be a LI? Can we marry our LI? Is LI Y bi? Can all LIs be bi? Can we go on dates with the LI? Can we kiss our LI? Will there be more LI centred content? etc etc) the idea of seeing them actually having sex, in the sex scenes is absolutely unthinkable.

I know right?

"I want them to tell me they love me and I want them to kiss me and oh my god why are they naked kill it with fire!"

[Ridwan]

Zkyire wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

Ambarina wrote...

Awful idea, the witcher is a teenager wet dream build as a game. Alfa male, do what he want, no feelings and porn level personal relationships.

Not close to the things I want in a bioware game. DA:O level of nudity is more than enought.

A man has sex with a woman he likes instead of spending hours talking about her feelings and running errands for her.

Oh my God. The absolute horror of it all.

Ah, so it's not about story and building relationships with our fellow companions, but just get them in the bed to see them naked?

Mother of God.

Geralt has a close relationship with Triss. But she doesn't get him to run errands for her. Or blather on about her feelings constantly. They're just there for each other.

The Bioware method of "romances" just isn't that good.

"Get this thing for me."
"Okay now I'm in love with you."

Geralt also has the option to solicit prostitutes. Keyword: option. Nobody forces you to use them.

So in DA 3 you just want a girl you can hump whenever you want without having to build up the relationship first, in other words.

[wsandista]

GodWood wrote...

It's strange how despite how the BSN puts so much emphasis on the romantic content of these games (Is character X going to be a LI? Can we marry our LI? Is LI Y bi? Can all LIs be bi? Can we go on dates with the LI? Can we kiss our LI? Will there be more LI centred content? etc etc) the idea of seeing them actually having sex, in the sex scenes is absolutely unthinkable.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds it a bit strange.

Personally, I wouldn't mind not having sex scenes if it wasn't a cinematic game. DA3 is going to be a cinematic game though, so they should include them.

[hoorayforicecream]

GodWood wrote...

It's strange how despite how the BSN puts so much emphasis on the romantic content of these games (Is character X going to be a LI? Can we marry our LI? Is LI Y bi? Can all LIs be bi? Can we go on dates with the LI? Can we kiss our LI? Will there be more LI centred content? etc etc) the idea of seeing them actually having sex, in the sex scenes is absolutely unthinkable.

I think of my character as someone who isn't me. I'm not Hawke. I'm not the Warden. They have names, they have personalities, they are distinct people. As such, I find my character interesting to observe and learn about. I view the act of sex as a more private thing, and by watching it, I feel like I am a third party to it. I don't feel like I learn more about the Warden by watching her graphically have sex with someone else. I just don't think that there is that much to be gained from it.

[Zkyire]

M25105 wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

Ambarina wrote...

Awful idea, the witcher is a teenager wet dream build as a game. Alfa male, do what he want, no feelings and porn level personal relationships.

Not close to the things I want in a bioware game. DA:O level of nudity is more than enought.

A man has sex with a woman he likes instead of spending hours talking about her feelings and running errands for her.

Oh my God. The absolute horror of it all.

Ah, so it's not about story and building relationships with our fellow companions, but just get them in the bed to see them naked?

Mother of God.

Geralt has a close relationship with Triss. But she doesn't get him to run errands for her. Or blather on about her feelings constantly. They're just there for each other.

The Bioware method of "romances" just isn't that good.

"Get this thing for me."
"Okay now I'm in love with you."

Geralt also has the option to solicit prostitutes. Keyword: option. Nobody forces you to use them.

So in DA 3 you just want a girl you can hump whenever you want without having to build up the relationship first, in other words.

There is something lost in translation here.

I gather you haven't even played the Witcher 2?

[Ridwan]

Zkyire wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

Ambarina wrote...

Awful idea, the witcher is a teenager wet dream build as a game. Alfa male, do what he want, no feelings and porn level personal relationships.

Not close to the things I want in a bioware game. DA:O level of nudity is more than enought.

A man has sex with a woman he likes instead of spending hours talking about her feelings and running errands for her.

Oh my God. The absolute horror of it all.

Ah, so it's not about story and building relationships with our fellow companions, but just get them in the bed to see them naked?

Mother of God.

Geralt has a close relationship with Triss. But she doesn't get him to run errands for her. Or blather on about her feelings constantly. They're just there for each other.

The Bioware method of "romances" just isn't that good.

"Get this thing for me."
"Okay now I'm in love with you."

Geralt also has the option to solicit prostitutes. Keyword: option. Nobody forces you to use them.

So in DA 3 you just want a girl you can hump whenever you want without having to build up the relationship first, in other words.

There is something lost in translation here.

I gather you haven't even played the Witcher 2?

Played a few hours of it, it bored me. I'm at some church after I just conquered a castle for some king.

[wsandista]

Zkyire wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

Ambarina wrote...

Awful idea, the witcher is a teenager wet dream build as a game. Alfa male, do what he want, no feelings and porn level personal relationships.

Not close to the things I want in a bioware game. DA:O level of nudity is more than enought.

A man has sex with a woman he likes instead of spending hours talking about her feelings and running errands for her.

Oh my God. The absolute horror of it all.

Ah, so it's not about story and building relationships with our fellow companions, but just get them in the bed to see them naked?

Mother of God.

Geralt has a close relationship with Triss. But she doesn't get him to run errands for her. Or blather on about her feelings constantly. They're just there for each other.

The Bioware method of "romances" just isn't that good.

"Get this thing for me."
"Okay now I'm in love with you."

Geralt also has the option to solicit prostitutes. Keyword: option. Nobody forces you to use them.

So in DA 3 you just want a girl you can hump whenever you want without having to build up the relationship first, in other words.

There is something lost in translation here.

I gather you haven't even played the Witcher 2?

IIRC, he said he played it for about an hour. Which totally makes him an expert on the game.

[Zkyire]

M25105 wrote...

Played a few hours of it, it bored me. I'm at some church after I just conquered a castle for some king.

So.. the prologue.

Spoiler alert: Geralt spends most of the game fighting through hell and back to rescue Triss. That's love.

Dragon Age "Bring me mother's Grimoire" --> "Oh I think I love you" is a bad way of doing things.

[GodWood]

wsandista wrote...
Personally, I wouldn't mind not having sex scenes if it wasn't a cinematic game.

Me too.

hoorayforicecream wrote...
I think of my character as someone who isn't me. I'm not Hawke. I'm not the Warden. They have names, they have personalities, they are distinct people.

I don't 'self-insert' either. 

As such, I find my character interesting to observe and learn about. I view the act of sex as a more private thing, and by watching it, I feel like I am a third party to it.

If you feel that way during sex scenes shouldn't you feel that way during the personal conversations, private flirting and eventual dry hump scene?

Also do you feel this way during films? 

I don't feel like I learn more about the Warden by watching her graphically have sex with someone else. I just don't think that there is that much to be gained from it.

I disagree. A great deal can be learned from someone by observing their sexual practices.

[Sylvanpyxie]

I have no problem with nudity in computer games, but I consider it to be an entirely unnecessary addition. It's window dressing for a solid foundation of character dialogue and interaction - it can occasionally build atmosphere within a companion relationship, or a deeper emotional connection for the player, but that's often rare.

The problem is nudity needs to have that solid, well rounded, strong foundation of character development and interactive progression in order for it to be the least bit effective, and if you have all that then in actuality you've already achieved greatness.

Nudity isn't going to improve a poorly handled character arc. It's not going to turn an amateur writer's first written character into a masterpiece. It's not going to help players overlook the stagnant lack of progression, the lack luster personality and the lack of integral back-story.

Bioware have flounced a *lot* with the foundations of their character romances, and nudity is not going to fix that problem. I think they need to focus on the foundations of their characters before they even think about consuming time and resources to render multiple nude romantic interludes(all of which should be unique to the character that you're romancing).

That's entirely my opinion, but there you go.

[wsandista]

Zkyire wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Played a few hours of it, it bored me. I'm at some church after I just conquered a castle for some king.

So.. the prologue.

Spoiler alert: Geralt spends most of the game fighting through hell and back to rescue Triss. That's love.

Dragon Age "Bring me mother's Grimoire" --> "Oh I think I love you" is a bad way of doing things.

Yeah, of course due to BSN logic, since Triss was naked and Geralt could have sex with other women, it isn't really love.

To be fair, the DAO romances are player paced though, so the PC could do the whole Grimoire thing first(or in any order they wish), then start the whole love/sex thing. In DA2 it was a bit ridiculous with the whole "press 'heart' for sex love" thing. Somehow that is considered to be the best way to implement romances in a game by some.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

I just don't like the mentality some people have regarding sex in games.

Nudity = mature.
No nudity = it sucks!

I respectfully disagree.

[Ridwan]

wsandista wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

Ambarina wrote...

Awful idea, the witcher is a teenager wet dream build as a game. Alfa male, do what he want, no feelings and porn level personal relationships.

Not close to the things I want in a bioware game. DA:O level of nudity is more than enought.

A man has sex with a woman he likes instead of spending hours talking about her feelings and running errands for her.

Oh my God. The absolute horror of it all.

Ah, so it's not about story and building relationships with our fellow companions, but just get them in the bed to see them naked?

Mother of God.

Geralt has a close relationship with Triss. But she doesn't get him to run errands for her. Or blather on about her feelings constantly. They're just there for each other.

The Bioware method of "romances" just isn't that good.

"Get this thing for me."
"Okay now I'm in love with you."

Geralt also has the option to solicit prostitutes. Keyword: option. Nobody forces you to use them.

So in DA 3 you just want a girl you can hump whenever you want without having to build up the relationship first, in other words.

There is something lost in translation here.

I gather you haven't even played the Witcher 2?

IIRC, he said he played it for about an hour. Which totally makes him an expert on the game.

Enough to know it's boring. Cue "Go back and play COD"