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[ZiggyStardust25]

Now there has been many threads that compares this game with Lord Of the rings and yes I admit that they for the most part have been made by me. But the reason for this is that I absolutely love LOTR, since it basically puts all other fantasy to shame in my opinion. Now in this thread I will actually write some of the things I have read in Tolkien Lore and compare it with this game, so its not just, as it could appear a troll topic. I really wanna know, what is similar in Dragon Age to this LOTR lore. Okay lets start. For those who don't know much about LOTR, you may find this thread interesting, since many of these information are something most people don't know. And all I ask is that can compare some of these creatures or people to creatures/people in Dragon Age in terms of equal power and such.

We have Shelob in Lotr which wasn't just a giant spider, but an evil demonic spirit. An offspring of the ally of Morgoth, Ungoliant. She was a dark spirit like her ancestress, possessed of spiderform.
Now her mother Ungoliant was a female demon that had taken the form of a giant spider and was an ally of Morgoth, the first dark lord. She was either a creature spawned from the void or a fallen Aniu or perhaps even a Maiar corrupted by Morgoth. She had existed before the creation of Arda, the world were LOTr takes place. My question for each creature person I write, from now on is, if there is any creature or person in Dragon Age that resembles the creature from LOTR in terms of power, appearance and how old it/the person is.

http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Ungoliant

The Balrogs(including the balrog in Moria) was Maiar of the same order as Sauron and Gandalf. They were the lieutanants of Morgoth during the first age and was creatied also before the creation of Arda. Perhaps the most terrible and powerful creatures in Middle Earth, even more powerful than dragons.

http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Balrog

Sauron was the second dark lord and a Maiar and existed also before the creation of Arda. He was Morgoths most trusted and powerful lieutenant and maybe even more powerful than Morgoth himself. He could take various forms such as werewolf, vampire etc.

http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Sauron

Morgoth also called Melkor was once a vala and the first dark lord. In the beginning he was an Ainu and was the most powerful of all the Ainur(the gods) that created and first descented to Arda.

http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Morgoth

Saruman was a Maiar like Gandalf and the most powerful of his kind. He became one of the main antagonist in the LOTR saga and had existed since the first Age, hence thousands of years old.

http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Saruman

The watcher in the water: It is told that when the fiery Balrog was loosed on Moria, another being came out of the dark waters beneath the mountains. This was one of the great Kraken, a creature with many tentacles and huge with a slimy sheen. It was luminous and green and had an inky stench from its foul bulk. Like legions of serpents, it lay in the black water beneath the mountains.

http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Watcher

The Nazgul - They was once men corrupted by Sauron when he gave them nine rings of power. The were wraiths and said to be his most terrible servants, There leader was The Witch-king of Angmir. They served Sauron during the second and third age.

http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Nazgul

Then of course there are the various orcs and other creatures you could compare to creatures in Dragon Age. Anything is welcome.

Also the Tower of Isengard and the tower of Barad-Dûr could maybe be compared to something in Dragon Age.

This topic is meant to find anything that resembles these things I mentioned from Lotr to the world of Dragon age and or course anything else you can think of that is similar.

[Grommash94]

Hmmmm. Well.....no one in Dragon Age matches the power of the Valar. Or even the Maiar. Power in dragon age seems to be more physical rather than mystical in their sense.



Barad Dur and the Tower of Ishal seem somewhat similar in looks and style.



I suppose one COULD allude to how Morgoth twisted elves into orcs as to how, indirectly, the Old Gods twisted the Tevinter mages into darkspawn.

[Ulrik the Slayer]

Orcs/Goblins=Corrupted Elves.
Darkspawn=Corrupted (supposedly) Humans.

Then you have the whole "living underground only emerging for large-scale attacks or small ravaging bands of raiders" aspect which is highly similar.

Modifié par Ulrik the Slayer, 27 décembre 2009 - 04:32 .

[Grommash94]

I believe elves turn into Shrieks though, dwarves into genlocks, men into hurlocks, and Qunari into Ogres.

[TheRealIncarnal]

I'm not sure.



The most obvious overlap is the physical similarity between the Darkspawn and the dark forces in LotR. However, the world of Theadas is much less magical, and appears to be completely devoid of ancient evil and vastly powerful sorcerers.



There is however a seemingly intelligent spider, the Spider Queen, which bears some similarity to Shelob.



Over all, I really don't feel that there is very much overlap between the two other than having a fantasy setting, but maybe others will find more.

[Ulrik the Slayer]

Grommash94 wrote...

I believe elves turn into Shrieks though, dwarves into genlocks, men into hurlocks, and Qunari into Ogres.

I meant initially. The supposed origins of the Darkspawn is that they are corrupted humans. Maybe the first few generations of Darkspawns only contained Hurlocks?

[Grommash94]

Oh, well yeah that is true.

Weeell, I suppose one similarity are Ages. But Ages in Dragon Age are vastly different...

Ostagar and Helms Deep, both key fortresses where the forces of 'good' do battle with evil.

Deep Roads, once the area of a prosperous Dwarven Empire but fallen to the Darkspawn...seems quite similar to Moria in that aspect.


Just a few notes about the OP though:

Balrogs were not more powerful than dragons. In the First Age, there were many balrogs, however, they were still fought and battles were won against them. When the dragons appeared though, even the forces of Valinor were halted.

Morgoth was far more powerful than Sauron. And it is questionable if Morgoth was the most powerful Ainur, as Tulkas seemed to thrash him.

Modifié par Grommash94, 27 décembre 2009 - 04:42 .

[Ulrik the Slayer]

Not to mention that the Tolkien Orcs and Goblins have evolved too. The Uruk-Hai, for example, aren't corrupted elves. They are a hybrid of "evil men" and orcs.



Who's to say that they, if not stopped by the forces of good, could've discovered ways to cross-breed orcs with other creatures to create as many variations as there are Darkspawn?

[Grommash94]

Hmmmm you bring up a good point there. If Middle Earth had come as close to destruction as Thedas did in the First Blight, then maybe Dwarves and Hobbits would have been twisted as well.

[ZiggyStardust25]

Well you say no ancient evil are in Dragon Age thats not true. The demons from the fade are defiantly ancient evils and dark spirits able to corrupt amny things, Even the spiders in this game were corrupted by the demons and I would say the Rage demon is very similar in looks to a Balrog. Also have you seen a Pride Demon????



Not to mention The Arcdemon. AN old god slumbering beneath the earth for thousands of years. There are lots of ancient evil.

[Grommash94]

They are ancient evils. But they are nowhere near as powerful as the evils in LOTR. You can't compare an Archdemon to Sauron or a Desire Demon to a Balrog.

[Narelda]

Sauron tried to gain control of the dwarves with the Rings of Power, but they never turned into Nazguls since they had some sort of inherent resistance against such dominance, so they just ended up exceedingly greedy.



DA:O certainly uses a lot of fantasy cliches, and renaming orcs and goblins to hurlocks and genlocks doesn't really change the fact. A lot of these cliches do come from Tolkien's books, but some of them are probably much more universal, like giant spiders. In DA:O I didn't see that much resemblance to any of the creatures or people mentioned by the OP. Besides some of those descriptions are invalid, like claiming the Watcher to be a Kraken, a creature that didn't exist in ME lore.

[Grommash94]

I believe what he meant to say was that the Watcher is BASED on the Kraken.

[Grommash94]

Double Post >..<

Modifié par Grommash94, 27 décembre 2009 - 05:14 .

[Daddydib]

dwarves didnt get corrupted because they were too stubborn

[Grommash94]

Yep, but I was simply wondering what would have happened if they were tortured just as the elves were by Morgoth, which turned them into orcs/goblins.

[Narelda]

Grommash94 wrote...

I believe what he meant to say was that the Watcher is BASED on the Kraken.

It's probably taken from David Day's books where he makes such a claim with no proof. Certainly you can see the obvious similarities between a kraken and the watcher, but Tolkien never said it was based on the Kraken. In fact there's hardly anything besides what was written in the book, a bunch of serpent-like appendages reaching from water.

[ZiggyStardust25]

Well I don't know if its a powerful, but in terms of look, you can defianlt see that the Rage demon resembles a balrog

[Grommash94]

True. But, we do know that Tolkien based A LOT of his creatures on mythological creatures. A few people mentioned that orcs and uruk hai are based off of these certain Nordic creatures...I can't recall what the argument was exactly though. But that is a discussion for somewhere else heh xD



Back on topic, Dumat leading darkspawn against the forces of good in the First Blight can be alluded to how Glaurung lead orcs against the Noldor....but that is weak at best.

[Grommash94]

As to a rage demon looking like a balrog....well, Balrogs, canonically, were about nine, ten feet I believe, in the early versions of the Silmarillion at least. The only thing that is similar is the fieriness. Rage demons are like lava whereas balrogs actually had legs, arms, heads..

[Grommash94]

As to a rage demon looking like a balrog....well, Balrogs, canonically, were about nine, ten feet I believe, in the early versions of the Silmarillion at least. The only thing that is similar is the fieriness. Rage demons are like lava whereas balrogs actually had legs, arms, heads..

[Grommash94]

Bio-Boy 3000 wrote...

I would consider it a good thing that Dragon Age is similar in form to a popular setting than an unpopular one.

Hehe, that is true xD

[Daddydib]

balrogs were not only fiery, they were also able to cloak themselves in clouds of shadow

balrogs also had horns, and also used weapons(longswords and whips)

and there never existed many at a time of the balrogs.

Modifié par Daddydib, 27 décembre 2009 - 05:41 .

[Daddydib]

and what about aragorn, everyone thought the line was broken, until he came along



Alistair anyone?