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[Ryngard]

I ask... who the hell cares?



I state... I prefer Dragon Age.

[Grommash94]

Hah, nice LOTR discussions going on here now ...but I still insist that a rage demon looks NOTHING like a balrog, at all. A rage demon is pretty much like liquid lava, does not have legs, is like 5-6 feet tall, and it doesn't use physical weapons.

[Juggernawt]

Cant compare a visual representation to a written description like that. Unless, of course, you're comparing the demon to the interpretation used in the LotR-movies - which are by no means what Tolkien would have agreed to.

[Ness519]

Well thankfully creatures in any fantasy work are not cannon for all....



ok ok ok I'll say it...the group and companions in DOW = The Fellowship...weak I know, thought it was funny for a second there.



Considering that Aragorn continuosly doubted his own wisdom and choices in the books...yup..Alistair comparison works...



Are there any SUBTLE comparisons to be made?

[Sialater]

Ulrik the Slayer wrote...

At least Aragorn was man enough to take up the responsibility of being a king without a major whinefest.

Aragorn got Arwen as his "reward."  He didn't want to be king either, if you recall.

[Sialater]

MaxxQ wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

Ness519 wrote...
Arragorn right wussed out until it was forced on him just like Alistair.....though Alistair was a lot more vocal about it.

wrong. Aragorn of the movies was reluctant to go about reclaiming his throne. Aragorn of the original story, ie the book, was biding his time, even carrying around the shards of Narsil as a reminder of his goal, and fully intended to eventually reclaim the throne so as to claim by right the privilege to marry Arwen.

+1

I was going to post the same thing until I read the quoted post.  DAO resembles the MOVIE LotR, rather than the book LotR.  Now, I'm not saying that's a bad thing, as I like the movie (I'm actually watching the extended versions in between DAO playtime), but yeah, the game much more resembles the movies than the book (books, if you want to include The Silmarillion).

Uh... Aragorn in the books didn't want to be king either.  However, he ackowledged it as his duty.  A heavy one.

[Sialater]

Ness519 wrote...

Well thankfully creatures in any fantasy work are not cannon for all....

ok ok ok I'll say it...the group and companions in DOW = The Fellowship...weak I know, thought it was funny for a second there.

Considering that Aragorn continuosly doubted his own wisdom and choices in the books...yup..Alistair comparison works...

Are there any SUBTLE comparisons to be made?

Nope.  Still looking for the Rohirrim.   Eomer and Eowyn were my favorites.

[Ness519]

Hmmm....as much as I enjoy LOTR and DAO I'm glad when I play DAO, I don't get caught up in the comparisons lol

[Grommash94]

Sialater wrote...

MaxxQ wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

Ness519 wrote...
Arragorn right wussed out until it was forced on him just like Alistair.....though Alistair was a lot more vocal about it.

wrong. Aragorn of the movies was reluctant to go about reclaiming his throne. Aragorn of the original story, ie the book, was biding his time, even carrying around the shards of Narsil as a reminder of his goal, and fully intended to eventually reclaim the throne so as to claim by right the privilege to marry Arwen.

+1

I was going to post the same thing until I read the quoted post.  DAO resembles the MOVIE LotR, rather than the book LotR.  Now, I'm not saying that's a bad thing, as I like the movie (I'm actually watching the extended versions in between DAO playtime), but yeah, the game much more resembles the movies than the book (books, if you want to include The Silmarillion).

Uh... Aragorn in the books didn't want to be king either.  However, he ackowledged it as his duty.  A heavy one.

Actually its not that he didn't WANT to be king. It is just that he felt unsure that he would a wise one, as he doubts if his leadership of the Fellowship is effective, and blames some of the misfortunes that befall them on himself.

[DragonRageGT]

He had doubts about his will power to resist the corruption that was already shown in his bloodline.

And Alan Lee and John Howe were pretty good at interpreting Tolkien's vision and they did a brilliant job in tjhe books before the movies. The Balrog is definitely something that Tolkien would have approved, imho.

Modifié par RageGT, 28 décembre 2009 - 08:09 .

[kormesios]

Not to be too negative on a fun thread, but I think the comparisons are way overplayed.  And I do think you make the game and LoTR both much smaller if you try to hammer the things into the same shape.

LoTR is probably the single most influential fantasy novel in the modern age, but it's not the only one, or even the first one still to be widely read (the Conan series and the Fafhrd/Mouser stories are both over a decade older.)   Corrupted hordes of enemies led by dark lords, religions with absent gods, betrayals and plots, and ancient lore gained from ruins in the woods appeared in those, not to mention the myths, folk- and fairy-tales that influenced them all.

If there's one obvious comparison in modern literature, I'd say it's "The Game of Thrones" and sequels, not LoTR.  The periodic "Blight" and the "Others," happening periodically, combatted by Grey Wardens/ Dark Watch, while factions fight itnernally.  But again, I prefer just to enjoy each on their own terms.

Sialater wrote...
Uh... Aragorn in the books didn't want to be king either.  However, he ackowledged it as his duty.  A heavy one.

"Want" doesn't enter into it much, either for or against, IIRC?  I don't remember any complaining that he'd prefer to live a quiet life--in fact, I vaguely recall him remarking on his patience at not revealing himself earlier, and some dissatisfaction with the unrecognized role the rangers are forced to play.  He certainly seems to come into his own as he takes command of armies and his kingdom.

[Grommash94]

RageGT wrote...

He had doubts about his will power to resist the corruption that was already shown in his bloodline.

And Alan Lee and John Howe were pretty good at interpreting Tolkien's vision and they did a brilliant job in tjhe books before the movies. The Balrog is definitely something that Tolkien would have approved, imho.

Well, IIRC, balrogs are not actually massive giants like portrayed in the movie, They were like 10 feet tall or so.

And Dragon Age seems to be more similar to the Wheel of Time series. 

[dusthawk]

Grommash94 wrote...

RageGT wrote...

He had doubts about his will power to resist the corruption that was already shown in his bloodline.

And Alan Lee and John Howe were pretty good at interpreting Tolkien's vision and they did a brilliant job in tjhe books before the movies. The Balrog is definitely something that Tolkien would have approved, imho.

Well, IIRC, balrogs are not actually massive giants like portrayed in the movie, They were like 10 feet tall or so.

And Dragon Age seems to be more similar to the Wheel of Time series. 

I agree. I really think that Dragon Age seems to borrow more from the Wheel of Time series than it did from LoTR. The WoT borrowed heavily from LoTR and therefore I feel that Dragon Age is very similar to LoTR as well.

[the_one_54321]

Grommash94 wrote...
Well, IIRC, balrogs are not actually massive giants like portrayed in the movie, They were like 10 feet tall or so.

the balrogs were pretty darn big. if you look at the scale comparison between Gandalf and the Balrog on the bridge of kazad-dhum, it's about right.

[packardbell]

LOTR (specifically the movies) was probably the major inspiration for Dragon Age, for example.



the armies of mordor are very much like the Darkspawn,like Trolls=Ogres, Hurlocks are uruk-hai while Genlocks are the Orcs the battles also seem very similar.



Battle of Helms Deep seems like the Battle of Ostagar and Minas Tirith combined, plus the last battle seems to be majority.

[Daddydib]

Balrogs were originally only a few feet taller than a human, but in the movies, peter jackson thought hed make them big and fearsome, even though JRR fans ( and possibly himself) did not like it)

Modifié par Daddydib, 31 décembre 2009 - 06:08 .

[packardbell]

Daddydib wrote...

Balrogs were originally only a few feet taller than a human, but in the movies, peter jackson thought hed make them big and fearsome, even though JRR fans ( and possibly himself) did not like it)

The fight wouldn't be as epic if a balrog was just a couple more feet taller, imo.