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[Angrywolves]

No. I hate Loghain, in a game sense of course for his treachery.

[Twisted Path]

The thing about Loghain is I would bet he's dead in most people's playthroughs. Killing him is basically the path of least resistance and he's presented as the main villain for most of the game. I know I killed him in every playthrough, since I kind of liked Alistair and he gives you a big "Him or me" ultimatum with Loghain.

So bringing him back in a substantial way is probably a huge waste of resources. Not that I couldn't listen to Simon Templeman's awesome voice all day.

[Auintus]

Yeah, but we probably aren't going to get him, at least not in a significant role. A lot of people probably killed him, so it wouldn't be fair to them if those of us who spared him got something of any significance.

On a completely biased side: Yes, he said he was heading to Orlais, it would make sense to see him, even if just for a bit.

Modifié par Auintus, 21 avril 2013 - 06:55 .

[Monica21]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Fair enough, in his mid-sixties. Still, I think he'd be physically fit enough. The Taint actually seems to make Wardens stronger and it's known that the Taint sustains the Darkspawn

I thought there was some suggestion that the older a Warden is, the less time it takes for the taint to catch up to him. I always figured that Loghain had about ten years before it was time to head to the Deep Roads. I'm not sure if that came from developer comments or forum speculation though.

As for Loghain being in Inquisition, at this point I'd have to say no. It doesn't seem that Bioware's giving him the anti-hero sentiment he got in Origins, and if I have to deal with the "traitor" and "betrayer" business I'll end up choking on something. I have zero faith that Bioware is willing or able to write Loghain with the same depth they did in Origins.

[EdwinLi]

Auintus wrote...

Yeah, but we probably aren't going to get him, at least not in a significant role. A lot of people probably killed him, so it wouldn't be fair to them if those of us who spared him got something of any significance.

On a completely biased side: Yes, he said he was heading to Orlais, it would make sense to see him, even if just for a bit.

Well that depends on how Loghain returns in DA3.

if he has been promoted to Commander of the Grey (the fancy name  version of Warden Commander) then he will play a big role in the diplomatic issues the Inquisitor will have to deal with in DA3 between different countries. 

if he is still a normal Grey Warden then he will just pop up once in a while during the instability between the countries to help keep the peace.

Besides he wasn't all bad once he joined my group. I did hate his guts in the beginning but when i learned that we would of lost in Ostagar no matter what I reconsidered his reason for leaving. You also get to see the other side of Loghain once he joins and learn a bit of how he felt during his choices. He even admit that Ferelden's current condition really is his fault and he was completely stupid in his actions.
 
Ya Alistair left to become King (along with marrying Anora) and was kind of disappointed I did not die with the other Wardens in the intro of Awakening but deep down Alistair still see me as his friend.

Modifié par EdwinLi, 21 avril 2013 - 11:06 .

[Yalision]

Loghain gets his own mention in imports to Dragon Age 2, so I am left to wonder how important his life may be in the future of things. His mention is right up there with every other major decision in the game, so we shall see.

[Trolldrool]

Loghain is probably my favorite character in the entire franchise, because of how honest he is. Assuming you let him live and make him a warden of course. Before that he tries to cover up everything he does. It's the difficult lessons about leadership and the inglorious reality of war and death that made me respect him. He has a lifetime of sins, the blood of tens of thousands on his concious and he doesn't even try to deny it.

In spite of that, no, I really wouldn't like a Loghain return in DA3. I think I just want to remember him as he was in Origins. A despicable traitor, but brilliant general who is the only one companion that doesn't let romantic legends and utopian ideals give him illusions that there's anything noble to war.

Or maybe it's because my personal canon warden gutted him like a fish.

Modifié par Trolldrool, 25 avril 2013 - 04:05 .

[EdwinLi]

Trolldrool wrote...

Loghain is probably my favorite character in the entire franchise, because of how honest he is. Assuming you let him live and make him a warden of course. Before that he tries to cover up everything he does. It's the difficult lessons about leadership and the inglorious reality of war and death that made me respect him. He has a lifetime of sins, the blood of tens of thousands on his concious and he doesn't even try to deny it.

In spite of that, no, I really wouldn't like a Loghain return in DA3. I think I just want to remember him as he was in Origins. A despicable traitor, but brilliant general who is the only one companion that doesn't let romantic legends and utopian ideals give him illusions that there's anything noble to war.

Or maybe it's because my personal canon warden gutted him like a fish.

I do kind of prefer Loghain to return in DA3 (mostly as a important character if he is alive in the imported data) because not many people had the chance to understand Loghain long enough to see why he did what he did in Origins.

We already know Ostagar was a lot cause no matter what Loghain did because of the Return to ostagar DLC but we also had little amount of time to have Loghain as a companion and learn a bit more about him since he can only be obtained him near the very end of DAO.

Most of his development is in the book as well and there is a difference between experience his character development and reading about it.

Modifié par EdwinLi, 25 avril 2013 - 05:06 .

[TEWR]

Monica21 wrote...

I thought there was some suggestion that the older a Warden is, the less time it takes for the taint to catch up to him. I always figured that Loghain had about ten years before it was time to head to the Deep Roads. I'm not sure if that came from developer comments or forum speculation though.

Well, DG said that though he regrets the thirty year remark as it was taken in a way he hadn't intended or foreseen at the time, he said that yes a Warden can live for 30 years after the Joining. He also says that depending on how much interaction a Warden has with the Darkspawn, that could advance the Taint's progression. So it seems age is irrelevant. 

So Loghain could theoretically still be alive, depending on what his duties in Montsimmard entailed.

As for Loghain being in Inquisition, at this point I'd have to say no. It doesn't seem that Bioware's giving him the anti-hero sentiment he got in Origins, and if I have to deal with the "traitor" and "betrayer" business I'll end up choking on something. I have zero faith that Bioware is willing or able to write Loghain with the same depth they did in Origins.

Good point.

[Tenshi]

yes. it would be funny he hates orlais so much you know ;-)

Modifié par xxx2emo4Uxxx, 25 avril 2013 - 06:14 .

[Jewlie Ghoulie]

My import with Loghain alive got corrupted so I had to delete it. BUT I am sooo down for this. Loghain is awesome.

[Black Jimmy]

 Would love to see Grey Warden Loghain.
I'm curious to see if he got any character development while we were in Kirkwall.
Fighting side by side with Orlesians would probably make it harder to hate them.

[TEWR]

Black Jimmy wrote...

 Would love to see Grey Warden Loghain.
I'm curious to see if he got any character development while we were in Kirkwall.

Are you related to Fast Jimmy, Black Jimmy?

Fighting side by side with Orlesians would probably make it harder to hate them.

I'm not so sure. I think that the Orlesians would have a field day ridiculing him, the hero of Ferelden that fell from grace in the eyes of many (and for the other "many", he never did fall from grace). While he could suffer their insults, I doubt it'd do much to improve his perception of the Orlesians.

Factor in how, since Ferelden faces the threat of an imminent invasion that half of Orlais' nobility endorses because they can repeat their history of conquering weakened Blighted nations, and he's not going to have a better opinion of them.

The Orlesian Wardens, certainly. The Orlesians themselves, no. Doesn't help that if and when Orlais invades, people might try to take him as a hostage because of his value to Ferelden. That'd be what I'd do, anyway.

They'll fail, of course, because Loghain's that badass. He'll punch tables and flip chevaliers before grabbing an ebony mare and riding off in the midnight rain to Ferelden's defense.

Orlais has more ****s and douches then it does people like Leliana.

[LPPrince]

On the subject of Leliana, I wonder if Leliana and Loghain in any way stayed in touch after the events of Origins, since hey, Orlais.

[TEWR]

That'd be interesting to find out. I imagine that he would keep in touch with her on some level, even if he views her as being all Orlais despite how she was born in Ferelden. It's a shame Loghain had so few dialogue banters with the companions, Sten and Wynne receiving the most.

And "Hey, Orlais" sounds like it'd be a catchy song.

[Silfren]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Black Jimmy wrote...

 Would love to see Grey Warden Loghain.
I'm curious to see if he got any character development while we were in Kirkwall.

Are you related to Fast Jimmy, Black Jimmy?

Fighting side by side with Orlesians would probably make it harder to hate them.

I'm not so sure. I think that the Orlesians would have a field day ridiculing him, the hero of Ferelden that fell from grace in the eyes of many (and for the other "many", he never did fall from grace). While he could suffer their insults, I doubt it'd do much to improve his perception of the Orlesians.

Wouldn't Loghain also be a prime target for assassination in Orlais, particularly by the faction that wants to reclaim Ferelden?  Quite aside from being ridiculed, I can't imagine that the general who takes most of the credit for ousting the occupiers would be very welcome on their home territory.

[TEWR]

Good point. His brilliant strategic mind would pose a threat to their plans if left unchecked. So assassination or taking him as a hostage are what are the most likely outcomes of him being sent to Orlais, given what we've heard Orlais is planning on doing.

Not that I expect Bioware to actually consider these things, but meh.

[Dio Demon]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Good point. His brilliant strategic mind would pose a threat to their plans if left unchecked. So assassination or taking him as a hostage are what are the most likely outcomes of him being sent to Orlais, given what we've heard Orlais is planning on doing.

Not that I expect Bioware to actually consider these things, but meh.

I wonder how the Wardens would actually react on an assassination attempt on Loghain's life? 

[TEWR]

Well, Loghain did the same thing to the Wardens in DAO with Zevran and the entire Order didn't really seem to mind too much. I'm sure they weren't happy about it, but they weren't going to declare wars over it.

Then again, you've also got how Anders was pursued by the Chantry even after he became a Warden, which shouldn't have happened. Factor in how the Avernus DAII quest shows how there are people moving against the Wardens and who knows.

Maybe they would get rather pissed if Orlais continued the trend of going after Wardens when they're... well... Wardens and thus are beholden to a greater purpose. I can certainly see the First Warden getting pissed.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 25 avril 2013 - 10:43 .

[BlueMagitek]

Loghain for LI? =D

[TEWR]

I can think of a few fans who'd swoon over that.

[BlueMagitek]

If the results of my kill-em-all Dalish Ultimate Sacrifice run isn't "Sexy Orlaisian femme fatale Chevaliar dominated by rough Ferelden rebel" then I don't even know why Mahariel decided to destroy his soul. :/

[duckley]

nope

[-TC1989-]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
 So assassination or taking him as a hostage are what are the most likely outcomes of him being sent to Orlais, given what we've heard Orlais is planning on doing.

I'd love Loghain to show up somewhere. He's one of the only characters I want to make an appearance in DA:I. I think in my play through he was heading to Orlais on Warden business. Not that that would stop them from doing anything to him, but he was being sent there.