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[wsandista]

Yrkoon wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

 I know pretty much everyone wants dragon age 3 to be amazing. I want it to be bioware's best game yet. But after da2 and me3 im skeptical.

Yeah, this. 

I will, of course, do the wait and see game, and pray to be disproved in spectacular fashion.

But 2 games in a row where they dropped the ball. and in Dragon Age's case, we've got People like Mike Laidlaw saying "no more 180s",  That all just points to the next game  simply being a  polished DA2.  Which isn't what I'm looking for, so...

I agree with you, but I have to point out it was actually 3 games in a row. Instead of making KOTOR3 or a good Starwars MMO, they made a cinematic heavy Starwars game with forced MMO(even though it focused more on single player, which is a bit crazy for a MMO).

[robertm2]

wsandista wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

 I know pretty much everyone wants dragon age 3 to be amazing. I want it to be bioware's best game yet. But after da2 and me3 im skeptical.

Yeah, this. 

I will, of course, do the wait and see game, and pray to be disproved in spectacular fashion.

But 2 games in a row where they dropped the ball. and in Dragon Age's case, we've got People like Mike Laidlaw saying "no more 180s",  That all just points to the next game  simply being a  polished DA2.  Which isn't what I'm looking for, so...

I agree with you, but I have to point out it was actually 3 games in a row. Instead of making KOTOR3 or a good Starwars MMO, they made a cinematic heavy Starwars game with forced MMO(even though it focused more on single player, which is a bit crazy for a MMO).

im not completely with you on this. i only played the free trial of swtor and i plan on getting the f2p version but as far as mmo games go it seemed really good. the first mmo i have ever played that actually had me interested in the story. but im not exactly an mmo gamer so my opinion may differ than others and i would have prefered a kotor 3 for sure i just didnt think kotor was a failure. but i will have a better grasp on that theory when i play the f2p version on release.

[wsandista]

robertm2 wrote...

wsandista wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

 I know pretty much everyone wants dragon age 3 to be amazing. I want it to be bioware's best game yet. But after da2 and me3 im skeptical.

Yeah, this. 

I will, of course, do the wait and see game, and pray to be disproved in spectacular fashion.

But 2 games in a row where they dropped the ball. and in Dragon Age's case, we've got People like Mike Laidlaw saying "no more 180s",  That all just points to the next game  simply being a  polished DA2.  Which isn't what I'm looking for, so...

I agree with you, but I have to point out it was actually 3 games in a row. Instead of making KOTOR3 or a good Starwars MMO, they made a cinematic heavy Starwars game with forced MMO(even though it focused more on single player, which is a bit crazy for a MMO).

im not completely with you on this. i only played the free trial of swtor and i plan on getting the f2p version but as far as mmo games go it seemed really good. the first mmo i have ever played that actually had me interested in the story. but im not exactly an mmo gamer so my opinion may differ than others and i would have prefered a kotor 3 for sure i just didnt think kotor was a failure. but i will have a better grasp on that theory when i play the f2p version on release.

That is the problem, it is a MMO that focused on single player more than multiplayer. That isn't a good way to do an MMO.

[Yrkoon]

What matters is its sales. Did it sell well? Are its subscription numbers effectively competing with the fossile that is WoW? if not, then yes, It's a dud. SWTOR was a $150 Million project, they built and dedicated an entire studio in the US for it. There's no room for  "good enough" here.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 24 septembre 2012 - 03:16 .

[robertm2]

Yrkoon wrote...

What matters is its sales. Did it sell well? Are its subscription numbers effectively competing with the fossile that is WoW? if not, then yes, It's a dud. SWTOR was a $150 Million project, they built and dedicated an entire studio in the US for it. There's no room for  "good enough" here.

i dont think sub's always matters. lotro was a failure for quite a while but after they switched to f2p profit went up by 4 times and they spent alot less money than swtor did so i would call that a success. i honestly enjoyed lotro more than i ever enjoyed wow. hell even guild wars 2 will probably never have as many sub's as wow but i would not call that a failure either.

[NovaBlastMarketing]

Last Vizard wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

AdmiralDavidAnderson wrote...

As good as EA want it to be

or allows it to be more accurately. if the deadline they set for bioware did not allow enough time there is no way it will be as good as everyone hopes.

That's what makes me nervous  ...although  the founders goodbye  messages were  very "professionally  and politically correct " written  ..  I don't think  it tells  the "whole story"

Consider this equation....

Bioware joins  EA

+ ME3 comes out to the most  negative  customer  reviews that I know of  of  any Bioware game in history  

+   Just a FEW MONTHS after this occurs BOTH founders of Bioware decided to "retire" at the exact same time and at a relatively  early age. not to  just chill out  but  for " other opportunities"

To me  at  least  that  

=  there is more to this story than we have been told  and that  makes me worry   time will tell  DA3 is  the  ultimate  test to  see what Bioware still has left in it.

To be honest   and this is sad  because   I  been a fan  of  Bioware for many many years and franchises so I am not going to speculate on the quality of DA  and  just wait  and hope Bioware  proves  my foreboding feelings wrong and lives up to the potential that i know they are capeable of .

founders or former ceo's of companies often "retire" after being bought by a larger company. usually it is agreed upon that they leave after a few years and recieve a large amount of money. that way the company has greater control to do whatever they want leaving the employees nobody to look up to and say "maybe that isnt a good idea". it happens all the time in the corporate world. maybe this is not the case though its possible they were sick of the way bioware was being treated by ea with strict deadlines and such, and its also even possible (although very unlikely) that they just wanted to retire. however due to one of the statements the former founders made in which he stated that he had lost the passion for gaming im guessing they either agreed to leave during the aquistion agreements, or they left because they did not like the direction bioware is being forced to go in.

i feel your pain though. i have loved bioware since kotor and some of my most memorable moments in gaming were playing mass effect 2. its a shame me3 and da2 were such a let down. i hope the best for bioware in the future by i dont want to hold my breath, and i sure as hell will not be pre-ordering from them ever again.

I think EA is very good at making money,  must be alot more profit in making average games than in making great games.  When people buy the game and then are disappointed, EA still received the money they wanted so player feedback means nothing as long as a certain number of people purchase their games they make money.

EA is the coach that makes money off its "fighters" taking falls, many people lose money but EA isn't one of them.  DA 3 will be average, not bad but not great and only previous fans will notice the fall in quality however new fans will stick around to see how the next game goes.

Personally though, I don't see this as being BW's last chance but EA's  because I'm sick of the way they do business... If DA3 fails i'll avoid EA games, most of my friends have already started however I know most people are cattle and don't look at the bigger picture so they'll keep consuming EA products and swallow the new trend of DLC, micro transactions and such.

Yep like any corp its profits before people i dont  think EA cares  about individuual ip's only  the amount of profit they can make off of them for example  (these numbers are not  not based on anything just for example )  thier basic thought process is why  make  20% profit  and make an  great game when you can  make 70%  profit and make an average one that  enough  people will by to make  that  margin.

Its not  just that .....  I dont want  Bioware to start making games like Skyrim (yes i know  i mention it  alot) its the one game i can  actually say ME3  is better than mostly for the reason  that it  is one game I am glad I reasearched before  I  bought  and wont even waste  time or money on.  What I read  about the charactor interaction and the  pathetic attempt you cant  even call  even  a half hearted atttempt at romances.

The amount of importance to the character interaction story and  romace plot  which I cosider to be the keystone of the game (using the example comparison between ME3 and Skyrim) has not  been  what I would consider optimal and from what I have herd from David Gaider  in another thread  the  "importance level " when compared to the rest of the game is not going to change which is dissapointing but   will hope that  they  at least  give it  some iimprovements and extra  features..

Who knows if Bioware will actually put together  a specific  romance  dlc's they have not so far  for DAO DA2 ME ME2 or ME3 because of its low importance, I would gladly  pay  the same price or more depending on the amount of  new  unique content and quality  as the  Leviathan dlc

Not only that due to the lack of tools there has not even been  a decent player made romance mod since BG2 which  again is probebly due to money and the profits they make  making  dlc of thier choosing.  Whiich  is dumb becase if they  are not going to make them and make money off it  why not let someone else.

So yea some m ore  reasons why i am  and will stay very  aprehensive  about the quality  of DA3 whoo knows  mabey Bioware will suprise me  and make  my forboding feeling wrong   anything is poddible iguess

Modifié par NovaBlastMarketing, 25 septembre 2012 - 12:18 .

[Nashimura]

I dont expect it to be better than Origins, but i do think they will reach a middle ground between DA2 and Origins. My exact thoughts on the progression of the ME series weirdly....

[Last Vizard]

Hmm, while playing skyrim I enjoy the exploration and got 180 hours of looking under every rock and inside every cave from the very start of the game.  Picked the map clean of loot and herbs before I started doing any of the quests, In RL my brothers and I have been climbing up and down cliffs finding waterfalls and such trying to find good swimming areas in the nearby nature reserve.

I like exploration in Skyrim however I understand most people aren't as into it, I do agree the romance or lack of in Skyrim seems like a bad comprimise and if they just held off and released a DLC for it later because  it is actually an after thought and not just some money making ploy, the situation would be better.

Personally I don't care much about the romances but at the same time I think they make the world alot more realistic and fleshed out,  without them in other games the story just doesn't feel as "real".   Couldn't imagine reading a sci fi or fantasy novel in which none of the characters look at the opposite gender err and same gender also?

You could argue either way about having romances or not having them affecting the maturity of the story, I'd much rather my main character rise to power and conquer the world because it seems no one else can stop the place from coming apart every five minutes lol

Modifié par Last Vizard, 25 septembre 2012 - 02:26 .

[robertm2]

Last Vizard wrote...

Hmm, while playing skyrim I enjoy the exploration and got 180 hours of looking under every rock and inside every cave from the very start of the game.  Picked the map clean of loot and herbs before I started doing any of the quests, In RL my brothers and I have been climbing up and down cliffs finding waterfalls and such trying to find good swimming areas in the nearby nature reserve.

I like exploration in Skyrim however I understand most people aren't as into it, I do agree the romance or lack of in Skyrim seems like a bad comprimise and if they just held off and released a DLC for it later because  it is actually an after thought and not just some money making ploy, the situation would be better.

Personally I don't care much about the romances but at the same time I think they make the world alot more realistic and fleshed out,  without them in other games the story just doesn't feel as "real".   Couldn't imagine reading a sci fi or fantasy novel in which none of the character even looks at the opposite geneder err same gender also?

You could argue either way about having romances or not having them affecting the maturity of the story, I'd much rather my main character rise to power and conquer the world because it seems no one else can stop the place from coming apart every five minutes lol

i completely agree. i dont look for romance or character development in the elder scrolls series its all about freedom and exploration. i have different expectations for different games. 

[NovaBlastMarketing]

robertm2 wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

Hmm, while playing skyrim I enjoy the exploration and got 180 hours of looking under every rock and inside every cave from the very start of the game.  Picked the map clean of loot and herbs before I started doing any of the quests, In RL my brothers and I have been climbing up and down cliffs finding waterfalls and such trying to find good swimming areas in the nearby nature reserve.

I like exploration in Skyrim however I understand most people aren't as into it, I do agree the romance or lack of in Skyrim seems like a bad comprimise and if they just held off and released a DLC for it later because  it is actually an after thought and not just some money making ploy, the situation would be better.

Personally I don't care much about the romances but at the same time I think they make the world alot more realistic and fleshed out,  without them in other games the story just doesn't feel as "real".   Couldn't imagine reading a sci fi or fantasy novel in which none of the character even looks at the opposite geneder err same gender also?

You could argue either way about having romances or not having them affecting the maturity of the story, I'd much rather my main character rise to power and conquer the world because it seems no one else can stop the place from coming apart every five minutes lol

i completely agree. i dont look for romance or character development in the elder scrolls series its all about freedom and exploration. i have different expectations for different games. 

I  was  mainly saying I don't want  Bioware to stop making true  RPG's  I don't  consider  Skyrim to   be   a true  RPG hense  not worth my time or money but take the game as it is and add Bioware flare for  Character interaction and romance and it would  probably be  playable  .

 Another reason is without that important  keystone you end up  with  a game that  has no replayability as another  poster  who played it put it  in a differnt topics thread

argan1985 wrote...

I guess I'm alone in that opinion, then. 

op Looks like you would be happier playing a game like Skyrim. something i wont waste item or money on because of the shoddy way they handled romances.. Bioware is know n for their romances and is the main reason why I by their games IMO they need to divert More resource to enhancing the character interaction and romance area because they not put enough depth or content into them especially in ME3

I liked Skyrim, but like many of Bethesda's games it's a game I will probably only play once since it has absolutely zero replayability.

 

Modifié par NovaBlastMarketing, 25 septembre 2012 - 03:33 .

[robertm2]

the elder scrolls games have less replay value for sure but when you can drop well over 150 hours into one playthrough it makes up for it. i have a playthrough on morrowind that has almost 300 hours in it. thats like playing mass effect 2 with all dlc 30 times.

[Bob Garbage]

I really want it to be good, I still play Origins to this day and love it as much as ever. But as many have said after DA2 and ME3, I'm unsure that I truly believe it will be what many of us hope for. Needless to say, I will not be pre ordering it or buying it on release. Bioware, for the first time since I've been a fan of their games, will have to win me over. I wish them luck.

[Bob Garbage]

robertm2 wrote...

the elder scrolls games have less replay value for sure but when you can drop well over 150 hours into one playthrough it makes up for it. i have a playthrough on morrowind that has almost 300 hours in it. thats like playing mass effect 2 with all dlc 30 times.

lol uhh. ten times maybe.

[Linksys17]

DA3 will appease DA2 fans but not DAO fans
Good is a matter of perspective...
I will most likely disapprove

[Relshar]

I am going to wait till the demo is released then make up my mind. No demo no purchase.

robertm2 wrote...

the elder scrolls
games have less replay value for sure but when you can drop well over
150 hours into one playthrough it makes up for it. i have a playthrough
on morrowind that has almost 300 hours in it. thats like playing mass
effect 2 with all dlc 30 times.

Skyrim so far for me clocked in 600 hours and still finding plenty to do in the vanilla game and Dawnguard. 4th character as well. I just love the open world aspect of all TES games, along with the mods and the community that goes with it; makes the game one of the best I have played.

Modifié par Relshar, 25 septembre 2012 - 10:32 .

[unbentbuzzkill]

on a scale from one to ten a five and that's my optimistic score

[robertm2]

Bob Garbage wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

the elder scrolls games have less replay value for sure but when you can drop well over 150 hours into one playthrough it makes up for it. i have a playthrough on morrowind that has almost 300 hours in it. thats like playing mass effect 2 with all dlc 30 times.

lol uhh. ten times maybe.

yea sorry poor math skills on my part. but still you get my point.