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[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

IE how long till we get some actual information on this game that destroys any hope that the fans had that this game will actually turn out good? Honestly people on this forum are getting far too optimistic and the longer they wait the wilder their imagination runs building up expectations that will never be met by the final product.

Or am I just being pessimistic?

[Maria Caliban]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Or am I just being pessimistic?

Yes. And egotistical.

[whykikyouwhy]

Since you asked...I think you may be teetering on pessimism.

Folks who are interested and excited about the prospect about the next game are going to be hopeful about its potential. The game, any game, is going to have mixed reviews because of expectations - different people will want different things, and if they put the bulk of their expectations in one direction, they may be disappointed later if those expectations are not met. Which doesn't necessarily mean the game will be "bad" ("bad" could be very subjective, depending on what you are trying to measure). People are always going to have varying criteria for what makes a good game.

So...let people have hope, let people speculate and discuss and generally be optimistic. The end result may be something that makes a lot of people happy, or simply content. There's always room for potential and for growth.

[Korusus]

I for one promise that if DA3 turns out to be wildly different from what I want in the series (more DA:O and less DA2), I will simply walk away from BioWare. With the good doctors gone, with other developers showing a willingness to develop deeper cRPGs, with BioWare's noticeable slip in quality...why bother to fight a losing battle.

[jackofalltrades456]

It's just from all of the excitement of this game being announced. Right now the forum is filled with people screaming, "DRAAAAAGOOOON AAAAGGGEEE!!!! OMMMG!!!!!!! OGB!!! OGB!!! OGB!!!! MORRIGAN HAS TO RETURNS!! MOAR ROMANCES!!!!"

Yet, when the game is released, those same people will transform into," WTF?! CHOICES DIDN'T MATTER AT ALL IN THIS GAME!! WHY DIDN"T MORRIGAN OR LELIANA ACKNOWLEDGE MY ROMANCE WITH THE WARDEN!? WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT WASN'T A BUG?! THEY RUINED DRAGON AGE FOR ME!!..... So when's the fourth game coming out?"

Modifié par jackofalltrades456, 23 septembre 2012 - 01:33 .

[mousestalker]

The flame wars have already begun. As for the game being good or bad, since we have no information to decide the question at this time, why not defer judgment?

That being said, we all know that DA4 is going to suck and DA3 and DA5 are going to be good. We know this because science tells us that odd numbered things in a series are, on average, good and even number things are, on average, bad. Witness the Star Trek movies and the original series of Star Wars movies. The Star Wars movies were renumbered simply because Lucas knows this rule and wants to mess with your head.

[Emzamination]

Just gonna send this on up the chain of command for a lock-down. Trolls irk me.

[ZtalkerRM]

The Dragon Age franchise is Biowares attempt to reintroduce Baldurs Gate gameplay in the 2010 era. Dragon Age 1 was perhaps a bit top hardcore for some, Dragon Age 2 was too easy for most. Same goes for the Story-telling.

Imo, the Dragon Age franchise is an ongoing experiment to create the 'perfect' tactical, Story-driven, single player RPG. Mass Effect, for example, is far less experimental, instead focussing on beiing as Michael Bay-ish as possible.

Dragon Age 3 will, again, have experimental and new gameplay, Story and other mechanics. Licensing the New engine proces this. Like it or not, Dragon Age is an ever-moving franchise. Stick with Final Fantasy is you like 20 grata of the same gameplay

[thebigbad1013]

I'll personally never understand threads like this one. The whole "lets expect the worst and assume everything is going to suck" has to be a rough way to go through life, at least I know it would be for me.

[frostajulie]

It is my hope that the devs of the DA franchise will NOT lie about what this game will or will not be. Speculation does not cause the mass disappointment being told 1 thing by the developers of a game- actually a whole list of things- and then buying the game playing the game and discovering every single thing the developers told you was a bold faced lie and the game you bought was a COMPLETELY different game than what you were led to believe. This is what leads to the flame wars the ****ing and moaning. I applaud Bioware for keeping their mouths shut about the game until they have something solid to show and I only hope they continue in this way because I would much rather play the game when it comes out and like or love it based on its merits than be purposefully misled about what the game is and what the game does and find out differently after I play it.

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

mousestalker wrote...

The flame wars have already begun. As for the game being good or bad, since we have no information to decide the question at this time, why not defer judgment?

That being said, we all know that DA4 is going to suck and DA3 and DA5 are going to be good. We know this because science tells us that odd numbered things in a series are, on average, good and even number things are, on average, bad. Witness the Star Trek movies and the original series of Star Wars movies. The Star Wars movies were renumbered simply because Lucas knows this rule and wants to mess with your head.

I guess the Mass Effect series doesnt fit that rule? Ok I enjoyed ME3 but most "fans" consider it the worst thing since Hitler.

ZtalkerRM wrote...

The Dragon Age franchise is Biowares attempt to reintroduce Baldurs Gate gameplay in the 2010 era. Dragon Age 1 was perhaps a bit top hardcore for some, Dragon Age 2 was too easy for most. Same goes for the Story-telling.

Wait what? If people honestly thought that DA:O was too "hardcore" then perhaps they need to consider a different genre. Seriously what the hell do you mean by that?

But I guess one of my biggest problems with the Dragon Age series and the team creating it is that while they are trying to recapture the glory of the Baldur's Gate series I am not exactly sure the Dragon Age team actually know what it is that made the Baldur's Gate series great. As much as I love the Baldur's Gate series I would much rather see the Dragon Age team try to distance itself from the Baldur's Gate series and create a series that stands on its own merits, I dont exactly know what those are but it is up to the Dragon Age team to find them.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Huh, I'm only being optimistic because I restarted playing DAO again. If I was still playing DA2, I might have been more pissed.

[ZtalkerRM]

@Gandalf: Can you actually read?

I said they're trying (and have said multiple times) too create the perfect Baldurs Gate for the 2010's. Many casual people thought DAO was a bit hardcore and unappealing compared to 'light' RPG's. So they tried to make DA2 more flashy and console-like. I wasn't a complete success.

The fact that I even mentioned Baldurs Gate should tell you I'm more of a DAO fan then DA2. Nowhere did I say anything about my own gaming history, I simply stated what the Dragon Age franchise is about.

The fact is: Games need to sell. And too that end, DA2 became a lot more casual then it's predecessor. DA3 will do things differently oncemore, hence my initial statement that this is a franchise on the move, trying to find a balance between the old and new RPG experience. And I agree with you: DAO came much closet to the BG experience then DA2 did...but we probably are small minority in the entire gaming community.

Let's just hope that DA3 will somehow be able to sell to the masses and still give us hardcore fans the challenge we seek. New game, New chances.

[redBadger14]

Yeah, let's make ridiculous assumptions a year from release. Let's be negative nancies, because that's fun.

No, just stop. Wait until you see concrete gameplay, wait until you get your hands on with the game itself, then evaluate. Good heavens, Dragon Age 2 was not nearly as bad as almost every hater on the BSN made it out to be.

[Lord_Valandil]

It's way too early to jump to conclusions.
We don't even have a single screenshot, let alone a gameplay video.

[Aolbain]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

IE how long till we get some actual information on this game that destroys any hope that the fans had that this game will actually turn out good? Honestly people on this forum are getting far too optimistic and the longer they wait the wilder their imagination runs building up expectations that will never be met by the final product.

Or am I just being pessimistic?

Heh. BSN in a nutshell. If we're not steaming of hate we're to optimistic.

[Captain McBuck]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...
I guess the Mass Effect series doesnt fit that rule? Ok I enjoyed ME3 but most "fans" consider it the worst thing since Hitler.

Eh most people liked Mass Effect 3. they just understandably hated the ending and that the developers lied to them..

I too prefered the "Hardcore" way of DA:O than the DA:2 dumbed down version and I played both on the PS3. . I think the main problem with D2 though was more that it was rushed and released before it was really finished.

[RedWulfi]

I loved ME3. I just have problems with the ending. But that saying you can't please everyone.
I loved DA2, just nowhere near as much as I loved DAO.
I have high hopes for DA3. I'll have it pre-ordered and judge it for myself. I could adore things a lot of people would hate.

[Beerfish]

Op, save yourself a lot of grief and some money as well. Leave the game and forums now. If you expect doom and failure even now you will find it in the game. Save yourself.

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

ZtalkerRM wrote...

@Gandalf: Can you actually read?

I said they're trying (and have said multiple times) too create the perfect Baldurs Gate for the 2010's. Many casual people thought DAO was a bit hardcore and unappealing compared to 'light' RPG's. So they tried to make DA2 more flashy and console-like. I wasn't a complete success.

The fact that I even mentioned Baldurs Gate should tell you I'm more of a DAO fan then DA2. Nowhere did I say anything about my own gaming history, I simply stated what the Dragon Age franchise is about.

The fact is: Games need to sell. And too that end, DA2 became a lot more casual then it's predecessor. DA3 will do things differently oncemore, hence my initial statement that this is a franchise on the move, trying to find a balance between the old and new RPG experience. And I agree with you: DAO came much closet to the BG experience then DA2 did...but we probably are small minority in the entire gaming community.

Let's just hope that DA3 will somehow be able to sell to the masses and still give us hardcore fans the challenge we seek. New game, New chances.

I meant no offense it is just I dont get why anyone would say DA:O was too "hardcore" for the masses, I would say that those who diddnt like the combat in DA:O wasnt because it was too "hardcore" or confusing as it really wasnt but more because they simply dont like that style of gameplay and trying to simplify it like they did in DA2 is only going to ****** off both groups of people, those who diddnt like the combat before still arent going to like it no matter how simple they make it and simplifying it will only ****** off the hardcore RPG junkies who do actually like that sort of gameplay.

redBadger14 wrote...

Yeah, let's make ridiculous assumptions a year from release. Let's be negative nancies, because that's fun.

To be honest I would say that those making the ridiculous assumptions are those claiming that the game will be good, given the team's track record and all.

But hey I am still here arent I? I havent counted the game out yet and I am willing to see what they have to show, who knows perhaps I will be pleasantly surprised or perhaps the forum will turn into a flame war, either way both are entertaining.

Modifié par Gandalf-the-Fabulous, 23 septembre 2012 - 04:22 .

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Aolbain wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

IE how long till we get some actual information on this game that destroys any hope that the fans had that this game will actually turn out good? Honestly people on this forum are getting far too optimistic and the longer they wait the wilder their imagination runs building up expectations that will never be met by the final product.

Or am I just being pessimistic?

Heh. BSN in a nutshell. If we're not steaming of hate we're to optimistic.

No, BSN in a nutshell is:

Everyone is bisexual/player sexual till confirmed otherwise.

[Its-a-trap]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Aolbain wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

IE how long till we get some actual information on this game that destroys any hope that the fans had that this game will actually turn out good? Honestly people on this forum are getting far too optimistic and the longer they wait the wilder their imagination runs building up expectations that will never be met by the final product.

Or am I just being pessimistic?

Heh. BSN in a nutshell. If we're not steaming of hate we're to optimistic.

No, BSN in a nutshell is:

Everyone is bisexual/player sexual till confirmed otherwise.

True statement. 

[xxBabyMonkeyxx]

More pessimism from the BSN. What a shock.