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[Jerrybnsn]

I was looking at some other forums discussion DA and came across this statement written over a year ago....

"Anyway .. here is my issue. This time around I let my Warden die .. I have done that before in other playthroughs and somehow he is magically alive in Awakening. Now I read through the epilogues this time and I romanced Lelianna(sp) and noticed that one of her stories had her crying and telling a maid or something that she would be seeing her lover then vanishing (I am paraphrasing but close)."


I know quite a bit of you are playing origins again (in celebration to the DAIII news)  but if anyone has romanced Leliana in the last year can confirm this?

[.shea.]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

I was looking at some other forums discussion DA and came across this statement written over a year ago....

"Anyway .. here is my issue. This time around I let my Warden die .. I have done that before in other playthroughs and somehow he is magically alive in Awakening. Now I read through the epilogues this time and I romanced Lelianna(sp) and noticed that one of her stories had her crying and telling a maid or something that she would be seeing her lover then vanishing (I am paraphrasing but close)."


I know quite a bit of you are playing origins again (in celebration to the DAIII news)  but if anyone has romanced Leliana in the last year can confirm this?

Yes, that's true. From the DAWiki:

'If the Warden
makes the Ultimate Sacrifice and Leliana is romanced but not hardened,
she will compose what will become a famous ballad of your journey. After
one performance, Leliana quietly vanishes. It is said that the Maker
came to her in the night, and her maid found Leliana smiling, with tears
in her eyes, saying that at last she would soon be reunited with her
love.'

[Wulfram]

I don't think you can call retcon there. She vanished, then she turned up in the service of the Divine.

Admittedly the natural reading of that epilogue implied something more tragic, but it only implied it.

[Harle Cerulean]

a) that's called an epilogue, not a prologue

I'm trying to figure out what the retcon you're talking about here is. Do you think that it implies that Leliana should be dead? This has already been gone over, repeatedly, with people who explicitly killed Leliana in their playthroughs; her being alive when to appearances she should be dead is nothing new.

Modifié par Harle Cerulean, 23 septembre 2012 - 04:45 .

[Mykel54]

In that epilogue bit (thanks Chouan for bringing up the quote), it was implied that Leliana commited suicide because she couldn´t bear to be without the warden (like a tragic love story). This bit of epilogue showed when your warden was in romance with Leliana, and she was "unhardened" (read: you talked to hear into staying as a sister, and not becoming a bard again). If she was "hardened", then she still composed a ballad but then got over the death of the warden.

But frankly, most of the epilogue stuff was ignored in DA2, or labeled as merely rumours in order to alter the story to fit the new plots. Anders could show as being death in the epilogue of awakenings, yet he still appeared as alive in DA2. Same thing with Leliana, you could even kill her in the urn of sacred ashes quest, and she would still appear on DA2. The devs have said before that the epilogues are treated as merely rumours, so while they add some sense of continuity and closure, they also can, and will be, disregarded as false if the devs judge that they need to do so to bring up a new plot or continue an old one.

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

Perhaps the Maker sent her back to sort out some unfinished buisness, like the Crow

[jackofalltrades456]

Silly goose, David Gaider retconned those epilogue slides years ago.

[TJPags]

jackofalltrades456 wrote...

Silly goose, David Gaider retconned those epilogue slides years ago.

Indeed.  His statement, which was once in my sig, was something like "epilogues are rumors and hearsay".  So, none of them mean anything to the game.

[Vandicus]

Seeing as how the Warden's soul is literally destroyed in ultimate sacrifice, the original epilogue text doesn't make much sense.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Vandicus wrote...

Seeing as how the Warden's soul is literally destroyed in ultimate sacrifice, the original epilogue text doesn't make much sense.

Does it confirm anywhere that you need a soul to go to the Maker in the DA universe?

[Vandicus]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Seeing as how the Warden's soul is literally destroyed in ultimate sacrifice, the original epilogue text doesn't make much sense.

Does it confirm anywhere that you need a soul to go to the Maker in the DA universe?

What other metaphysical way could one transfer into the afterlife? A person without a soul dies in DA(Warden's body is unharmed, but his soul is destroyed so he's dead in US). 

[upsettingshorts]

Given everything we know of Leliana now, including her past and future, I am less likely to take anything she said in DAO - to anyone - as the whole truth.

She didn't stop being a bard, guys.

[Heimdall]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Given everything we know of Leliana now, including her past and future, I am less likely to take anything she said in DAO - to anyone - as the whole truth.

She didn't stop being a bard, guys.

Um, she did?

[upsettingshorts]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Given everything we know of Leliana now, including her past and future, I am less likely to take anything she said in DAO - to anyone - as the whole truth.

She didn't stop being a bard, guys.

Um, she did?

I should have made clear that the second part of my post was just my theory.  

The first part I'd say is probably true regardless of whether or not you subscribe to said theory, though.

[Little Princess Peach]

You know Op, I think it could be somthing that happend in the future, sure she vanished but it could of been after DA:2

[InfinitePaths]

My interpretation is that the maker resurected The Warden to reunite him with Leliana,but that's just me .

[InfinitePaths]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Given everything we know of Leliana now, including her past and future, I am less likely to take anything she said in DAO - to anyone - as the whole truth.

She didn't stop being a bard, guys.

Nah,she was honest IMO,but i think in those 10 years between DAO and DA2 ending,she got smarter,crystilised what she wants to do,and joined the seekers ,trust me i romanced her 5 times .

[TJPags]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

My interpretation is that the maker resurected The Warden to reunite him with Leliana,but that's just me .

Resurrected the Warden how, if the Warden's soul was destroyed?  Did the Maker just reanimate a dead body?

[upsettingshorts]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Given everything we know of Leliana now, including her past and future, I am less likely to take anything she said in DAO - to anyone - as the whole truth.

She didn't stop being a bard, guys.

Nah,she was honest IMO,but i think in those 10 years between DAO and DA2 ending,she got smarter,crystilised what she wants to do,and joined the seekers ,trust me i romanced her 5 times .

That's certainly possible, and for a while I believed that.

I just think it's more fun to think she totally pulled the wool over my eyes (as well as my Warden's eyes) and was just being charmingly manipulative the whole time.

Your mileage may vary.

[Vandicus]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Given everything we know of Leliana now, including her past and future, I am less likely to take anything she said in DAO - to anyone - as the whole truth.

She didn't stop being a bard, guys.

Nah,she was honest IMO,but i think in those 10 years between DAO and DA2 ending,she got smarter,crystilised what she wants to do,and joined the seekers ,trust me i romanced her 5 times .

That's certainly possible, and for a while I believed that.

I just think it's more fun to think she totally pulled the wool over my eyes (as well as my Warden's eyes) and was just being charmingly manipulative the whole time.

Your mileage may vary.

That would make her outclass Morrigan in manipulative skill by far. The best manipulators never let their targets know they're being manipulated.

[InfinitePaths]

TJPags wrote...

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

My interpretation is that the maker resurected The Warden to reunite him with Leliana,but that's just me .

Resurrected the Warden how, if the Warden's soul was destroyed?  Did the Maker just reanimate a dead body?

That is just how I like to believe what happened,I don't have any proof or anything,that's just how i see the story of my warden,Leliana and her faith in the maker...

[InfinitePaths]

Vandicus wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Given everything we know of Leliana now, including her past and future, I am less likely to take anything she said in DAO - to anyone - as the whole truth.

She didn't stop being a bard, guys.

Nah,she was honest IMO,but i think in those 10 years between DAO and DA2 ending,she got smarter,crystilised what she wants to do,and joined the seekers ,trust me i romanced her 5 times .

That's certainly possible, and for a while I believed that.

I just think it's more fun to think she totally pulled the wool over my eyes (as well as my Warden's eyes) and was just being charmingly manipulative the whole time.

Your mileage may vary.

That would make her outclass Morrigan in manipulative skill by far. The best manipulators never let their targets know they're being manipulated.

It will be fun to see how this turnes out in DA3,im hoping for her return

[Vandicus]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...


It will be fun to see how this turnes out in DA3,im hoping for her return

After the set up in DA2 it would be disappointing if she didn't. 

[Wulfram]

I don't really see how tossing out all of her characterisation and character development as lies is fun.

Particularly since we can verify she was in fact a lay sister in the Lothering chantry. Which makes conspiracy theories rather difficult to justify unless she had access to prophecy.