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[DarkKnightHolmes]

Icinix wrote...

How about no DLC, only one or two expansions that include what they would have had as DLC.

If only they would actually do this but I really doubt it.

[Atakuma]

Icinix wrote...

How about no DLC, only one or two expansions that include what they would have had as DLC.

That's no longer a profitable business model for most games.

[Darth Wolfenbarg]

franciscoamell wrote...

Darth Wolfenbarg wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

I can't believe there are people who are just okay with having to pay 10 more bucks for content that could've been easilly implemented in the original product.

Once a game goes gold and is shipped to the pressing plant is it not easy to included it in the original product given that both Sony and Mocrosoft must sign off on it. Once the discs start being pressed they are not going to halt production to include anything at the last moment.

Then they should release it for free. Are you really ok with having to pay 10 extra bucks for a big part of the story? 

A big part of the story? DA:O and DA2 worked just as well without the Warden's Keep or The Exiled Prince. They were completely unnecessary elements that were developed after the game had gone gold.

Can you say the same for the protheans? A big part of ME and ME2 was the study on the protheans. So, one of them is alive, and it isn't in the main game? Makes no sense!

Javik isn't an essential part of the story. I played without him and from what I've looked up, he didn't seem like a core element of the game at all. If they released a DLC pack which explained how the Reapers got to the Milky Way so fast and why they ignored the Citadel until the very end then yeah, I'd be pissed. However, nothing essential was held back. I wasn't ripped off for not getting Javik. In fact, the one essential DLC pack for ME3 was released for free.

Modifié par Darth Wolfenbarg, 23 septembre 2012 - 09:43 .

[Icinix]

Atakuma wrote...

Icinix wrote...

How about no DLC, only one or two expansions that include what they would have had as DLC.

That's no longer a profitable business model for most games.

Its still profitable, its just not as profitable as over priced tiny individual DLC packs.

[Vandicus]

franciscoamell wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Vandicus wrote...


There's a time period of about 2 weeks in between shipping and release. Do you think they should halt production during that time period? Do you think they should wait before releasing any dlc produced/finished during that time period? (*Javik for example was a finished character at shipping, but his questline and zone were still being worked on)

Sebastian Vael was announced as a dlc in October/November 2010. How they could know that they wouldn't complete that content before shipping? The same could be considered for Javik, since in the CE Edition was noted that there'll be an exclusive companion (and the CE was announced on October/November 2011).
Even if they finished their content after shipping, it's because they decided to do or finish that content post shipping, because they already know that that content would be a dlc. They decided to make that content as a dlc.

This. Do you really think they made the Prothean DLC and the Sebastian DLC in two weeks? <_<

They were finished in between shipping and release, by word of the developers. If they had been unable to finish them in that time period they would have been released later. 1 month before dlc is a meaningless and arbitrary time frame.

Moreover the idea that one is entitled to everything that a particular studio makes before the game is open to sale doesn't fly. Should anyone who buys ME3 get ME2 and ME1 for free? After all those are actually important significant pieces of content that the consumer has to pay extra for them in order to know the entire story of ME3, and all 3 games were made by the same studio.

Modifié par Vandicus, 23 septembre 2012 - 09:51 .

[Quicksilver26]

Realmzmaster wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Would day 2 paid dlc be acceptable? What makes day 1 dlc in Bioware's case unacceptable? Unlike some companies the day 1 dlc thus far manufactured by Bioware has been finished post shipping of game, and is not on the disc already.

No, it wouldn't. At the very least, DLC should be released a month after the release. Why make DLC for a game before releasing. Customization DLC and stuff like that is a little bit better, but story DLC from the start? That's a slap in the face! 

There's a time period of about 2 weeks in between shipping and release. Do you think they should halt production during that time period? Do you think they should wait before releasing any dlc produced/finished during that time period? (*Javik for example was a finished character at shipping, but his questline and zone were still being worked on)

They should just not make any DLC in that period. Put all the content they create before releasing in the game. If they're not done when it sells, put it in a patch or something.

So Bioware should just shut down production or any work on DLC during the time the game goes gold to when it ships? Whay is the point? Are you saying Bioware should delay the game until all the content can be included? 

Maybe they should create the dlc. Sit on it for two months and then release it. Would that be better?

Duh of course what the hell is the point of buying the game if it's incomplete therein lays the problem of day one dlc if  they have it then and not comeing it up with it 6 months or a year dwon the line like ohh this is good this should've been in the game lets add to the completed game that would not be a problem

Modifié par Quicksilver26, 23 septembre 2012 - 09:57 .

[Realmzmaster]

franciscoamell wrote...

Re-read the first post. 
I know I'm not being forced into anything, but it's clear they're not making one day DLC because for any reason other than more money.

I got all of my first day DA2 dlc for free. The only dlc I paid for was Legacy and MotA. I got the Stone Prisoner for free as did anyone who bought a new copy of DAO. All the other dlc for DAO came some time after the ship date.

Yes, they make first day dlc to make money, but it does not mean you have to buy it. If no one buys the dlc it will send a message. If one buys the dlc that also sends a message.

Modifié par Realmzmaster, 23 septembre 2012 - 09:56 .

[Darth Wolfenbarg]

franciscoamell wrote...

Next they'll announce that DA3 is a MMORPG and ME4 will be a MMOFPS, and you will be ok with it.

Yes, because those are totally related. There also definitely isn't a large KotOR fanbase that is still angry about The Old Republic and refuse to play it. We all just swallow what Bioware gives us. Like the ending of Mass Effect 3.

[Vandicus]

franciscoamell wrote...

Next they'll announce that DA3 is a MMORPG and ME4 will be a MMOFPS, and you will be ok with it.

Next you'll resort to hyperbole and strawmanning to try and make a point. Oh wait, you just did that. 

ME is a poor setting for MMOFPS games, and dialogue choices are highly unlikely to carry over well into that sort've gameplay.

A Thedas set MMO is not necessarily a bad idea, but it would be a poor replacement for the original series imo. I disliked when the Warcraft series was turned into an MMO because it killed the Warcraft rts series, but WoW is enormously popular. *shrugs

[Allan Schumacher]

Vandicus wrote...

There's a time period of about 2 weeks in between shipping and release. Do you think they should halt production during that time period? Do you think they should wait before releasing any dlc produced/finished during that time period? (*Javik for example was a finished character at shipping, but his questline and zone were still being worked on)

The time period is sometimes closer to a month.  Though content lockdown usually happens before even this, with only the highest priority issues being looked at.

[Icinix]

Vandicus wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

Next they'll announce that DA3 is a MMORPG and ME4 will be a MMOFPS, and you will be ok with it.

Next you'll resort to hyperbole and strawmanning to try and make a point. Oh wait, you just did that. 

ME is a poor setting for MMOFPS games, and dialogue choices are highly unlikely to carry over well into that sort've gameplay.

A Thedas set MMO is not necessarily a bad idea, but it would be a poor replacement for the original series imo. I disliked when the Warcraft series was turned into an MMO because it killed the Warcraft rts series, but WoW is enormously popular. *shrugs

In defense of ME4 being MMOFPS - ME3 didn't really use a lot of dialogue choice anyway.

DA as an MMO - I'm sure its already been looked at - a lot - and will in the future too.  No-one could have imagined KOTOR3 would be a no go for a KOTOR MMO instead.....

[LPPrince]

Honestly though, I AM a bit tired of these characters being left out of games at launch. I might be okay with missing out on them completely than seeing them released LATER.

DAO- Shale(I was okay with this as it was the first time)
ME2- Kasumi and Zaeed(wasn't okay with this because pre-release we were told that our squad would be a "Dirty Dozen" and then later we were told "We never said that, you're only getting 10")
DA2- Sebastian(I'm seeing a trend here, Bioware. Not cool)
ME3- Javik(Okay WHAT THE HELL)

At this point, I'm tired of it. Either fit them all in at the beginning or leave them out. If they were meant to be there from the beginning but took too much time to develop to make it out at launch, perhaps release them for free as a measure of good will, or have the release date pushed back.

I'm just tired of it. Sad thing is, it just feels like this is a way to milk more money out of fans of the game who WILL pick up anything and everything that is released. Even if that isn't the motivation behind these delayed character DLCs, that's what they are being perceived as. Most likely due to the sheer frequency of it.

[Cheylus]

...and no more exclusive/promotional items scattered around Facebook, Razor, etc., please.

[Vandicus]

Icinix wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

Next they'll announce that DA3 is a MMORPG and ME4 will be a MMOFPS, and you will be ok with it.

Next you'll resort to hyperbole and strawmanning to try and make a point. Oh wait, you just did that. 

ME is a poor setting for MMOFPS games, and dialogue choices are highly unlikely to carry over well into that sort've gameplay.

A Thedas set MMO is not necessarily a bad idea, but it would be a poor replacement for the original series imo. I disliked when the Warcraft series was turned into an MMO because it killed the Warcraft rts series, but WoW is enormously popular. *shrugs

In defense of ME4 being MMOFPS - ME3 didn't really use a lot of dialogue choice anyway.

DA as an MMO - I'm sure its already been looked at - a lot - and will in the future too.  No-one could have imagined KOTOR3 would be a no go for a KOTOR MMO instead.....

I had always thought any form of KoToR sequel past 2 would be unlikely, because Bioware did 1 while Obsidian was the studio that worked on 2. The plot of #2 took some of the control of Bioware's original protagonist out of their hands and made it seemingly unlikely they'd be able to return to Revan related stories. With how LucasArts treated Obsidian I found it unlikely that Obsidian would seek to work with them again to make a KoToR3(likewise on LucasArts' end since they were seemingly not content with Obsidians' work speed).

[DarkKnightHolmes]

scyphozoa wrote...

Sorry gamers, you have collectively spoken. You told game publishers only 50% of you actually beat the games. You told the publishers you will sell your games back to Gamestop after 30-60 days and never play it again. You told publishers that if DLC is available on Day 1, that is when you are most likely to buy it.

Consumer behavior shapes the way publishers will sell you content. You have demonstrated your predictable consumer habits and publishers have responded accordingly.

So content should be cut as day 1 dlc because some people can't be arsed to finish?

Modifié par DarkKnightHolmes, 23 septembre 2012 - 10:10 .

[DarkKnightHolmes]

scyphozoa wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...
So content should be cut as day 1 dlc 

If you want to believe this, that is your choice. Many people choose to believe factually inaccurate things. By all means, don't left facts stop you. 

Well, seeing as how I think you're the one believing inaccurate things, I'm fine with your post.

[Emzamination]

franciscoamell wrote...


Then they should release it for free. Are you really ok with having to pay 10 extra bucks for a big part of the story? 

Yes, it's only 10 dollars.It's not going to make or break the bank.