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[Allan Schumacher]

franciscoamell wrote...

So you think Day One DLC is sold so they can make money and give it to charity? You think that I'm being greedy to want something for free that could've been a part of what I bought (and sometimes it's already in the disc) and they're releasing more paid content to make world peace? You're a little biased, fanboy.

Greed is a strong word, but the idea that someone would like more content for their dollar is not really a huge stretch of the imagination.  I think the goal of any customer is to receive as much as they can for as little cost as possible, so I have nothing against the perspective.  It seems that you want it for free because, well, you want more content and don't want to pay for it.  Your justifications for this perspective are your own and there's not much reason for me (or anyone else) to try to convince you that you should change your justifications.

[Sejborg]

redBadger14 wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

No, I think you are having problems understanding me, or just distorting what I wrote. I meant that games should be(and are, at least the ones I play) a fun experience without DLC and the story have to make sense by it's own. So, you can't release a DLC that affects too much of the story, otherwise the game isn't worth buying without the DLC.

There's plenty of people that have fun with DAO without Shale, DA2 without Sebastian, ME2 without Zaeed, and ME3 without Javik.  I'd argue that none of these characters change the story in any way.  They merely add to it.  A lot like say, Tales of the Sword Coast.

I'm just baffled. You're saying you don't want more content that helps flesh out the game world and provides interesting or even awesome game moments. I agree that the stand alone games need to be coherent and awesome in their own right.

So I guess the idea is, if Javik didn't even exist at all, would people see ME3 differently? Or is Javik just the type of thing that people do want?

I'm one of these people. I have a lot of fun without them, but I think I deserve that content for free. You meant to put that in the main game, why didn't you?

What makes you think you deserve this particular content for free, or any content for free for that matter? How they parcel their games and sell them is known before you ever make a purchase. You as the consumer make the choice to buy the game knowing what content is in it. The buying and selling of a product constitutes a very straightforward business contract. 

I think this is one of those cases where people try to mask simple greed(I want more, and I want it free) with some sort've moral high ground.

This again.

And I think it needs to be said again that developers can say all day and night what they want to put into a game, but what they can put into the game is a whole different story. 

Javik was a case where BioWare simply could not get him into the game in time before the discs would be manufactured. It just could not happen. So, they decided instead of getting rid of him completely, they would release him as DLC, free for CE owners and paid for everyone else. 

And to demand that you (or others) get Javik or anything else for free is silly. BioWare develops the content, they work hard to make that stuff. Their job is by no means easy. I would think it's fair that they receive some form of compensation for their quality work. If you have a problem with it, well, just get over it really.

I'm pretty sure it was proven that Javik was already on the disc. 

No it was not. There were framework files that would ensure the content could integrate with the game properly, nothing else.

I see. 

So they scheduled with a game that would include Javik. Then when they were closing in on the deadline, they saw that they couldn't include everything, so the decided to set Javik on hold, and release him as paid day one dlc instead? Is that how it is?

[redBadger14]

franciscoamell wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

I didn't demand anything! I think that as a fan, and as a costumer who spent 200R$ on a game, I believe I deserve the full experience they wanted the players to have.

Get it through your head, it's IMPOSSIBLE to get everything they want on the discs. 

Some has to be cut, some has to be moved to DLC post-launch, free or paid. Either way, that final product you buy has 90% of what the developers originally intended to give us. You have no right to demand anything of them when what you want is different from what BioWare or any other dev can do.

Again, I didn't demand anything!
If this site even exists, it's because Bioware wants to know their fanbase's OPINION. And that's what I'm giving.

Demand. Deserve. It's the same thing. You believe you have the right to own something that is not or cannot be there. Simple as that.

Check the dictionary. Demand and deserve are not synonyms. And, who are you to tell me what I believe? I'm voicing my opinion like you people are. I believe I deserve that much.

Not in definition but in the context in which you are using deserve. You believe you are deserving of free DLC, which is a false notion because you don't "deserve" anything from BioWare. Thus, you are, more or less, demanding they give you something for free because you "believe" that you are "deserving," that it is "right." It is, in fact, not.

[VanDraegon]

Unbelievable

[TsaiMeLemoni]

VanDraegon wrote...

Unbelievable

I know, I thought it was butter at first too.

[redBadger14]

Sejborg wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

No, I think you are having problems understanding me, or just distorting what I wrote. I meant that games should be(and are, at least the ones I play) a fun experience without DLC and the story have to make sense by it's own. So, you can't release a DLC that affects too much of the story, otherwise the game isn't worth buying without the DLC.

There's plenty of people that have fun with DAO without Shale, DA2 without Sebastian, ME2 without Zaeed, and ME3 without Javik.  I'd argue that none of these characters change the story in any way.  They merely add to it.  A lot like say, Tales of the Sword Coast.

I'm just baffled. You're saying you don't want more content that helps flesh out the game world and provides interesting or even awesome game moments. I agree that the stand alone games need to be coherent and awesome in their own right.

So I guess the idea is, if Javik didn't even exist at all, would people see ME3 differently? Or is Javik just the type of thing that people do want?

I'm one of these people. I have a lot of fun without them, but I think I deserve that content for free. You meant to put that in the main game, why didn't you?

What makes you think you deserve this particular content for free, or any content for free for that matter? How they parcel their games and sell them is known before you ever make a purchase. You as the consumer make the choice to buy the game knowing what content is in it. The buying and selling of a product constitutes a very straightforward business contract. 

I think this is one of those cases where people try to mask simple greed(I want more, and I want it free) with some sort've moral high ground.

This again.

And I think it needs to be said again that developers can say all day and night what they want to put into a game, but what they can put into the game is a whole different story. 

Javik was a case where BioWare simply could not get him into the game in time before the discs would be manufactured. It just could not happen. So, they decided instead of getting rid of him completely, they would release him as DLC, free for CE owners and paid for everyone else. 

And to demand that you (or others) get Javik or anything else for free is silly. BioWare develops the content, they work hard to make that stuff. Their job is by no means easy. I would think it's fair that they receive some form of compensation for their quality work. If you have a problem with it, well, just get over it really.

I'm pretty sure it was proven that Javik was already on the disc. 

No it was not. There were framework files that would ensure the content could integrate with the game properly, nothing else.

I see. 

So they scheduled with a game that would include Javik. Then when they were closing in on the deadline, they saw that they couldn't include everything, so the decided to set Javik on hold, and release him as paid day one dlc instead? Is that how it is?

More or less, you would be correct.

There is about a month before the actual retail release date in which the discs for the game needs to be mass produced and then sent to all the retailers across the world. When that happens, all content needs to be completed and on the disc(s), ready to be mass produced. Javik's content was in no way going to be ready in time to be placed on the disc for mass production, so they had to strip what they had planned or done from the full game and make it as the day one DLC instead.

[redBadger14]

franciscoamell wrote...

OMG, I make a thread begging something, and people judge me for being greedy. Let's not dwell on the past, I was unsatisfied with the paid DLC in the previous games, but it's ok now, nothing I can do. I made this thread as a request, and people just bashed me.
Do what you think is best, Bioware, but in the way I see it there is no reason for day one DLC. I'll buy DA3 either way, that's just how I feel.

We were not bashing you, we were telling you how things actually work as opposed to how you thought they should work, and you kept insisting you were right.

[MDarwin]

Vandicus wrote...

MDarwin wrote...

Soon they release maybe Games where the ending(Or other Part(s) ) is missing and only as an DLC available. And that would be OK?

That would be ok. I would probably not buy it though. The purchase here is completely voluntary. They are free to release a great game or release a terrible game. They can also release an incomplete game if they so wish. We are under no obligation to purchase the game. We make the choice to buy or not. We did not invest in the game's development and have no say in how they choose to sell it. If you don't like something, talk with your wallet.

I agree! I would not buy such a Game. Sometimes the Advertising "Hype" can be quite "Shrouded/Misleading" in the worst case, wanted or not.

[upsettingshorts]

franciscoamell wrote...

There is no right or wrong when it comes to opinions.

Wrong.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 24 septembre 2012 - 01:30 .

[mesmerizedish]

franciscoamell wrote...

There is no right or wrong when it comes to opinions.

There aren't words to describe just how incredibly wrong you are.

[redBadger14]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

There is no right or wrong when it comes to opinions.

Wrong.

[Allan Schumacher]

Anyways....

I'm going to close this because it's starting to go downhill.


We do appreciate the feedback.  I can't promise no DLC, and I think it's an interesting challenge for us to find a balance between making sure fans are getting value both in their game purchase as well as DLC purchases.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 24 septembre 2012 - 01:34 .

[MDarwin]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

There is no right or wrong when it comes to opinions.

Wrong.

My Personal Opinion differs from yours. How about that.

[Emzamination]

You know, the reason I'm completely unsympathetic is because I don't ever pay out of my own pocket for post release Dlc.Gaming is an expensive hobby that must remain separate from my living budget so what I did was find an alternative way to fund what I love by doing surveys on a reward site for a hour or two daily and cash out with 4000 point xbox live cards by the end of the week.This is how I got all my da2,me,me2,me3 post release dlc.

The fact that I could take the time to find an alternative route to fund what I love without crying penny pinching bioware, leaves me 0 pity for threads like this.