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[flavorbasket]

Hi. I just bought this game recently, and it's been an absurdly buggy and painful process downloading and setting up both Origin and ME3 itself. The Origin client seems to have very great difficulty in staying connected for any length of time, as does ME3, besides, even on a stellar computer with a very respectable internet connection that has absolutely no trouble with anything else, including Steam and a large library of modern online games.

Ok, that's fine. The infrastructure must just be poorly made or maintained or something. No helping it, I guess. That's not what this thread is about. Is this everyone's experience, though?

Anyway, after two days of wrestling with it, I finally managed to log in and stay connected long enough to play some games. I'm not new to ME3's gameplay and most of the default classes' abilities. I charged into some bronze games and worked my way up rather nicely by now, with several different classes. I've even managed to sneak into a handful of silver and even a couple of gold games in which my team emerged victorious.

Sounds like things are going fine, right? Well they really aren't. About half the time (a conservative estimate), the "EA servers" can't keep me connected, or Origin outright fails. This is especially painful when in the middle or near the end of a match, especially at the higher difficulties, because I get NOTHING for the time I put in, lose all consumeables I used during gameplay, and there's isn't a thing I can do about it.

That's half the time, and that's more than a bit of a nuisance.

Compounding the problem is the difficulty in finding a game in the first place. Due to the current Operation: Patriot, I am kicked from games at least 25% of the time for not being a nonhuman-race, which as a new player I wouldn't have even come close to unlocking yet, and can't unlock without credits, which I can only get by playing, which I can't because everyone is currently encouraged to exclude humans.

I don't have the weapons, consumeables, classes, or experience to succeed in a solo setting, so I have to waste hours of my time just for a vague hope of a steady connection and a group of randoms to take pity, or an ongoing game that I can sneak into for a paltry late-join-finish-reward. Even on Bronze.

This has not exactly been a newbie-friendly experience so far. So what's left to do? Hmmm... ask for advice, I guess.

Can anyone recommend me some really powerful and easy to use class/weapon combos that an utter newbie could use to contribute to teams and make the most out of extra short games due to flaky connection? I'd also love to get some advice on how best to spend credits. I've purchased a couple of premium spectre packs and received pretty much a giant steaming pile of crap every time. Am I wasting my very, very hard-earned credits on those, or have I just been unlucky? I'd really love some extra classes, like the shiny N7 ones. Which pack(s) are best to get those?

[Ace-Hood]

Play bronze and silver and start out buying vet. packs

[flavorbasket]

MasterReefa wrote...

Welcome to the party. I would suggest a human engineer with anything not too heavy. Definitely an easy class to use.

Thanks!

That's funny, because that's what I've already naturally settled into, due to the ease of use and good distraction/crowd control abilities. I specced drone for explosion/area stun/etc. and overload for area/organic/area, and found it works well even on gold with my uncontrollable restrictions. Just the default SMG as a weapon for max cooldown seems to work just fine, mostly.

[jaydubs67]

I forget how to do it exactly, but you can get more detailed help if you enable your manifest.  

http://blog.bioware....layer-manifest/ 

Also, kicking on bronze in almost unheard of and will probably end with the weekend event.  You will probably continue getting kicked on gold/platinum if you try to get into lobbies without good equipment.  

Modifié par jaydubs67, 24 septembre 2012 - 01:06 .

[CronisN7]

since N7 classes are rare cards the specter and premium specter packs are your best bet. Premium packs give you 2 rares so they are probably your best bet overall.

right now im getting the PSP just because i want to get all the rare and ultra rare unlocks (darn black widow wont pop out). occasionally il get the large basic packs (10 item ones) for missles/ops/medpacks etc.

Modifié par CronisN7, 24 septembre 2012 - 01:07 .

[Ace-Hood]

CronisN7 wrote...

since N7 classes are rare cards the specter and premium specter packs are your best bet.

right now im getting the PSP just because i want to get all the rare and ultra rare unlocks (darn black widow wont pop out). occasionally il get the large basic packs (10 item ones) for missles/ops/medpacks etc.

Waste of money a level 1 should not go for psp just vet. maybe spectre
P.S. Black widow is garbo

[Eriseley]

Try hosting games. Origin can be pretty bad, but added to that is getting matched up with somebody clear across the globe or whose computer just can't host worth a damn. Sometimes it fills the lobby super fast, other times it takes a while.

[flavorbasket]

Veteran packs are better for unlocking weapons and classes than the recruit packs?

[RaijinShinda]

Have you done the squad goal for this weekends event yet? If not I will be glad to help you out.

origin id: RaijinShinda

[CronisN7]

Ace-Hood wrote...

CronisN7 wrote...

since N7 classes are rare cards the specter and premium specter packs are your best bet.

right now im getting the PSP just because i want to get all the rare and ultra rare unlocks (darn black widow wont pop out). occasionally il get the large basic packs (10 item ones) for missles/ops/medpacks etc.

Waste of money a level 1 should not go for psp just vet. maybe spectre
P.S. Black widow is garbo

well if he is doing gold matches i assumed he was a little higher then lvl 1. and meh I still want to try out the black widow, or the valient.

the vet packs are solid too though... good for upgrade unlocks and consumables.

[kmmd60]

Wait until the operation is over. Play bronze, buy more packs, read multiple guides which have been posted around the board. Godlesspaladin mechanic thread and a guide about spawn budget will greatly improve your gameplay.

Most basic classes are very user friendly but your weapon selection is probably limited. As above poster had posted, the engineer is very user friendly. Overload + incinerate with drone allow you to solo bronze easily without half-decent equipment.

If you want a solo-spec engineer then crowd control will be your top priority, overload with triple chain and suicide drone are very effective. Incinerate for armored target. Keep your CD around 150-170% and you should do fine.

Another class for solo is Novaguard.

[GhastonGrey]

Origin ID below - feel free to friend up. If I'm in a game, chances are I'm hosting and just playing with my kiddo. Free to join anytime. We're easy (and use the mic, too).

[UpirNoir]

Well, I found the Human Soldier to be very easy to use for beginners. On bronze you can just spec him for Concussive Shot and use the Avenger, or even better the Phaeston if you already have it. Then run around, shoot the rifle and spam conc. chot as often as you can. Works really good on bronze. Later on, when you get a hang of the game, you really want to skip conc shot though, and learn to love the Adrenaline Rush. It is one of the best powers in the game. I completely underestimated it in the beginning, because unlike in singleplayer, it doesn't slow down time. Boy, did I have much to learn...

Another good choice is the human Engineer with a light loadout. The drone is really nice as a distraction (yellow soccerball FTW ) but can also dish out some nice dmg if specced the right way. And Overload followed by Incinerate sets off Tech Bursts.

As for the packs. I say, stick to the Veteran packs, until you have all commons and uncommons unlocked and maybe even maxed out. You can sneak a spectre or premium spectre pack in every once in a while, but your main focus should be the Veteran packs for now. That way you get a good foundation on which you can build. Some of the uncommons are actually very good in the hands of skilled players (I for example, love the Viper.)

[DeathScepter]

flavorbasket wrote...

Veteran packs are better for unlocking weapons and classes than the recruit packs?

yes and you want to fill up your commons and uncommon weapons and Weapons mods first and Veterans packs are your best friend.

[SkunkyLee]

You are a new player, okay-ish at playing gold matches with HE (70k a match is quite some credits) and you haven't managed to unlock any alien races with veteran packs? Wow, the RNG gods really don't favour you.

The complaints about the server and the crappiness of Origin I can get behind.

[OO629]

1-Host a lobby on bronze against Cerberus? They're less dangerous than the other factions.
2-Try sticking with the same class until level 16-20. After that, play bronze or silver to earn cash for packs in the store. You might earn XP boosts for your other classes.
3-Go with high ammo-low damage weapons until you leveled up a few times.

[flavorbasket]

Thanks for all your input so far, everyone. I have actually unlocked one class now, the Turian sentinel, and managed to finish a 4-turian team on bronze after my 10th or so try (disconnections), but I never saw any kind of reward pack. I assume I'll get one after the operation is over, huh?

Also... if veteran packs are just all-around better than recruit packs, then what are recruit packs even for? Are the supply bundle packs even a better value of consumeables than a credit-equal quantity of recruit packs?

[Sinapus]

flavorbasket wrote...

Veteran packs are better for unlocking weapons and classes than the recruit packs?

Recruit packs only unlock common and uncommon items. Which can be good since things like the Predator X are actually useful until you get something better leveled up. Vet packs can unlock uncommon or better in addition to common items, so you can get rares and sometimes ultra-rares. They're only 20k so that's just two completed bronze matches to purchase one.

I usually recommend maxing the common items first to get them out of the way, especially the weapon mods and weapons. The appearance options aren't as important, those can fill in later. Vet packs can do that, though recruit packs are cheaper and that can let you max the commons quicker. Maybe save up credits and buy 4 recruit packs and a vet pack or something? The store's random number generator is a bit vexing.

Not sure about getting kicked. I don't host on origin very often except on weekends maybe though I don't tend to kick unless someone's hanging in the lobby too long (5+ minutes) and they ignore my countdown given over the mike.


I did kick one person after a game without any warning but that person was definitely leeching. (Stayed in cover and did nothing except deliberately move into the extraction zone on wave 11, then didn't move until that was finished.) There's an inactivity monitor that helps prevent that, so I haven't run into that again.

[UpirNoir]

flavorbasket wrote...

Thanks for all your input so far, everyone. I have actually unlocked one class now, the Turian sentinel, and managed to finish a 4-turian team on bronze after my 10th or so try (disconnections), but I never saw any kind of reward pack. I assume I'll get one after the operation is over, huh?

You will get your commendation pack (and victory pack if we succeed with the community goal) sometime next week. Usually around wednesday. It will say on the top of this page when they are rewarded.

Edit: As for your constant disconnects. While it is a known issue with the game, but if you really have them with such high frequency, maybe check your firewall settings or something, I dunno. I get a disconnect maybe once a day, which is annoying enough, but it's "acceptable".

Modifié par UpirNoir, 24 septembre 2012 - 01:41 .

[flavorbasket]

SkunkyLee wrote...

You are a new player, okay-ish at playing gold matches with HE (70k a match is quite some credits) and you haven't managed to unlock any alien races with veteran packs? Wow, the RNG gods really don't favour you.

Well, I haven't purchased any veteran packs at all. Just most of my creds on premium spectre packs, hoping for an n7 slayer or shadow, and the rest in recruit packs because the flavor text said recruit packs were best for unlocking the basics, which apparently is a lie. I couldn't really have known any better unless I'd posted on the forums and asked my questions earlier, but I couldn't even do that due to some 24 hour wait period after registration. I did lurk for a while first, but I couldn't find any info like that around.

SkunkyLee wrote...

The complaints about the server and the crappiness of Origin I can get behind.

I really don't understand why it's like this. I can run multiple steam games at a time with absolutely no problems and perfect latency and smoothness. Games that are much, much more highly populated than ME3 could possibly be.

Is this really a common problem, and does anyone know why it's like this?

[Acyl]

Since nobody has really addressed it yet, the answer is that ME3's online infrastructure IS very bad for all of us. I'd say without any doubt it's the worst connectivity I've ever seen in an online game. Most betas I've played have been more stable. There's threads with advice on things you can do, like this one, but fundamentally the problem is most likely EA's, not yours.

Aside from EA's server connectivity, as Eriseley said, the second problem is that the matchmaking system doesn't have a region filter or latency filter. For example, I'm in Asia, so connecting to the US or Latin America is usually fine, but I tend to get bad lag when playing with a Russian and Central European host. You can keep an eye on the IPs you're connecting to by opening up Resource Monitor in Windows and watching the network connections tab, and there's a thread on the forums here about using peerblocker as a DIY filter, but that's not a great solution.

Regarding gameplay I strongly support the notion of buying Veteran packs to start with, instead of Spectre or Premium Spectre packs. See, you can very quickly max out uncommon weapons to X that way, and some uncommon weapons are still good enough on Gold and Platinum even, if you want to play on those difficulties - I still occasionally use the Phalanx, Mattock and Eviscerator. Conversely, it'd take you a long time to get rare weapons (gold border cards) to useful levels with Spectre or PSPs, especially if your main credit earning comes from Bronze matches.

I also agree Human Engineer is your best bet. In general, power-using classes are better to start off with, since you don't rely on having good weapons so much - which goes back to the point above. On the same token, Human Sentinel is a decent choice for biotic explosions (Warp and then Throw). Common H-Sentinel builds are no points in Tech Armor (requires a respec card): 0/6/6/6/6, or max Tech Armor for additional base power damage, something like 6/6/6/5/3. The latter option doesn't actually boost your explosion damage, but having a fully buffed Throw is nothing to sneeze at.

If you're hosting, and only if you're hosting, you could consider the Human Vanguard, though that requires a certain risk-taking playstyle which might or might not work for you.

Modifié par Acyl, 24 septembre 2012 - 01:45 .

[Waffelmeister]

flavorbasket wrote...

Thanks for all your input so far, everyone. I have actually unlocked one class now, the Turian sentinel, and managed to finish a 4-turian team on bronze after my 10th or so try (disconnections), but I never saw any kind of reward pack. I assume I'll get one after the operation is over, huh?

Also... if veteran packs are just all-around better than recruit packs, then what are recruit packs even for? Are the supply bundle packs even a better value of consumeables than a credit-equal quantity of recruit packs?

The Turian sentinel is amazing. 

As for connection, I honestly don't have that much trouble on the PS3. If I lose connection it's generally because I live in a new neighborhood and comcast is doing something with the damn cable... 

The sentinel makes for an amazing tank if you stick him with a shield gear and armor bonus because he has naturally high shields. Combine that with 50% damage reduction of level 6 tech armor and fitness bonuses, he's practically unstoppable. <3

Don't forget about setting up tech and biotic detenations either, that's where the damage comes from. :happy:

[Acyl]

flavorbasket wrote...

I really don't understand why it's like this. I can run multiple steam games at a time with absolutely no problems and perfect latency and smoothness. Games that are much, much more highly populated than ME3 could possibly be.

Is this really a common problem, and does anyone know why it's like this?

There's a rumour that ME3 is running on the server hardware and/or architecture used by EA for Ultima Online. I wouldn't be surprised if this were true. It's clear that EA hasn't spent a great deal of time or resources working on the online part of this, and given that the whole online gaming thing is new to Bioware as a developer, they left a lot of things in this regard up to EA. 

EA doesn't do online stuff very well either, as a general rule. Origin is also a new platform/service. Steam is much better, but then it's been around for longer, and Valve is much more experienced working with the online space. But having said that, I'd note that Steam has just managed to completely break Borderlands 2 online gameplay for many, many, many people with the latest update. Myself and one other player in my group included. Some funky thing with ports and not playing nice with routers.

Turian Sentinel is good. I run mine 6/6/6/4/4. If there's other people throwing around biotic powers, I'll use Warp more, if not Overload's the go-to power. Even if you take explosions out of the equation, you have Overload to take down shields, Warp to weaken armor, and the Turian's stability bonuses mean that you can make better use of powerful but high-recoil guns. It's a nice cluster of capabilities.

Modifié par Acyl, 24 septembre 2012 - 01:53 .

[scooterbaga]

Those connection issues sound like something on your end. Mine is bare minimum and I get a disconnect maybe once or twice a weekend. (That's three day weekends, all-day sessions.) When I received my new modem and router, I was behind a double NAT for a while... Seemed to act about like you're explaining. My PC experience has been almost identical to my Xbox one as far as connection/server quality. The only difference I really notice is it takes a little longer to find a game, and the graphics are way better.

I also just started on the PC, and have had a great experience. I imagine your trouble with packs is you should build out your uncommons first. There's a lot of good stuff in there, and your money will go further. If you're playing Bronze, buy Recruit. If you're playing all Silver, but Vet packs, perhaps end your session splurging on a higher pack. After you've filled out your manifest a bit and play Gold more consistently, then buy the Spectre and Premium Spectre packs.