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[Colonel Sheppard]

A friend and I attempted several loadouts and config to see if we could make the Argus X work.  It could use a 10-15% buff to make it awesome, but right now, spec out your equipment right, and it's almost as good as the Saber X.  I won't specify how to use the gun because I don't want to spoil your discovery.  I haven't used the Mattock in a long time, but I think the Argus is definitely better than that gun.  I don't know the specific DPS vs the Mattock, but I know in real practice, it's a darn good gun.  You must use it right and spec your load out correctly.  Two Argus with the loadout I'm thinking will rip through any boss in no time.  It's pretty good with Phantoms too.  Level IV ammo were not involved.

If in 2 days, no one has figured out how to spec a  loud out for the Argus, I'll post the answer... if I remember.  The hint I will tell you is this, it hits pretty hard.  It also pops like the Saber.  Focus on the word pops.  What could the Saber pop?  Later this week, I may do all Argus runs.  Much like the particle rife, my initial assessment of this gun was all wrong.  It's definitely top 4 assault rifle... if you spec your load out right.

[N7 Shadow 90]

Hhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... What could a Saber pop?

[Feneckus]

I tried it on a GI with AP Ammo IV, Assault Rifle Rail Amp III, Stabilization Module III and Assault Rifle Amp V and it still kinda sucked.

[Asebstos]

Colonel Sheppard wrote... I haven't used the Mattock in a long time, but I think the Argus is definitely better than that gun. 

You think wrong.

I've been testing out the Argus all weekend and it is not that impressive a weapon. Yes, I can top Gold PUGs with it on my Turian Sentinel with a very specific loadout (Stability + EB, AR amp, AP Ammo), but I'd be better off using the Revenant, Mattock, Saber, or (of course) Harrier. I like the feel of the gun and I like that I don't have to constantly run to ammo crates, but its damage:weight ratio is terrible.

[Rifneno]

No, it's not a bad gun. It's a TERRIBLE gun.

[anddill]

Easy. Turian Sentinel specced for weapons damage and stability. Add Barrage as gear.for more stability and ammo. All you need as consumable are Incendiary Rounds. Warp armored targets and burn them to ashes.

[Samerandomscreennameidontcareabout]

Well I wouldn´t want to argue that it is a bad gun. Just, that it is not a good gun either. If you go through the hassle of building everything around the argus, you just realize that simply packing a harrier or sabre will be more effective, less limiting and overall more enjoyable. Unless you have a fetish for three-round burst weapons...

[masseffect420]

It S U C K S BALLS

Modifié par masseffect420, 24 septembre 2012 - 06:50 .

[Eriseley]

Colonel Sheppard wrote...

Two Argus with the loadout I'm thinking will rip through any boss in no time.

I've got it. Dual-wielded Argi both with Omni-Blade attachments on a Krogan, glitch lets you shoot while headbutting like the Reegar and Flamer.

[dysomnium]

Assault Rifle Magazine Upgrade V, Assault Rifle Extended Barrel V, Assault Rifle Rail Amp III, Barrage Upgrade V, Stabilization Module III, Warp Rounds IV.

I'm assuming you're recommending Vulnerability VI V. It's too inconsistent if you don't have QWERTY on your team. Barrage Upgrade V will trade you occasional headshot damage for not only significant weapon stability, but extra reserve ammo. The magazine by default isn't actually that big. Without the Magazine Upgrade V equipped, you're losing too much damage potential with reload time. Extended Barrel is a given. Normally I'd say Armor Piercing rounds, but again, the gun is too unwieldy to attempt precise, damaging shots worth your ammo through cover. Warp Rounds IV will give the Argus X enough kick to tear through a Guardian's shield no worries so long as you aim at the eye slot, and does significant armor damage.

If you do all of this, the Argus X is a fairly good gun. But... then what else can you do? That's dedicating every equipment slot to buffing the Argus, also potentially dedicating to playing one specific character (Human Soldier with Adrenaline Rush, Turian, Destroyer, etc.). FFS, just equip your Carnifex and pop heads without the waste of equipment slots or consumables.

[whateverman7]

the only negative thing about the gun is the weight...it's too heavy to use for a lot of characters...but whatever you use it on, it works well....it's a more powerful vindicator

[Colonel Sheppard]

You guys need to experiment. It's no particle rifle or harrier, but it's really good. Trust me, it's a pretty devasting assault rifle if you use the right load out. No level IV ammo needed on gold. We also tried it vs the harrier, saber, and Indra. It is a VERY GOOD gun.

[FasterThanFTL]

Somehow Phantoms cannot dodge the Argus too well. I would recommend using it with Assault rifle rail Amp III and Barrage upgrade V on Turian Sentinel with Overload.

[Samerandomscreennameidontcareabout]

Trust me, it's a pretty devasting assault rifle if you use the right load out

But every other weapon ( of the one´s worth using like Harrier, Sabre, Typhoon(destroyer) ) is devastating even without the right loadout or better in certain circumstances. So what´s the point in glorifying a weapon that is good under very special circumstances? There is no niche in which the Argus excels, which can´t be done better by another weapon. Just having to deal with the stability issue alone is too limiting already.

Also: Somehow you think the Parrticle rifle is a good weapon. Either this means you are crazy or an argus savant or I simply didn´t get a memo. PArticle Rifle is an absolutely horrid weapon.

Modifié par Samerandomscreennameidontcareabout, 24 septembre 2012 - 07:11 .

[GroverA125]

We have went over this rule too many times.

If a weapon requires temporary consumable buffs to be good, then it's a bad weapon. Anything can be good with consumables, and therefore the suggestion of using equipment to improve a weapon is putting the weapon against the same weapons, albeit with the numerical differences more prominent.

And for the sake of it: an eagle can be usable with equipment. That doesn't mean that it's a good weapon.

[BetrayerOfNihil]

Colonel Sheppard wrote...
You guys need to experiment.

These "OPTIMUM EVERYTHING"-types don't/can't do that.

[Ravenmyste]

i just got it and decided to test it, its really mod dependent. get recoil mod up to v and slap a barrel on that also be v and then pick good war amp like the assault rifle try to have the  level on above 3 and then pick the amp rifle{consumable one} and then use on the destroyer it handles very well on bronze at level 1 }the gun{ i really want to get it up to vii to see if works on silver and gold levels

Modifié par Ravenmyste, 24 septembre 2012 - 07:18 .

[Cyonan]

It's decent on a Turian Soldier with full equipment.

But that doesn't make it a good gun by any means when you need that many modifiers just to make it a decent weapon. There are also far better options for the Turians.

[Colonel Sheppard]

People's opinion of this gun reminds me of early opinions of the Hurricane and Particle Rifle, both of which are stronger than the Harrier per level. I remember people complain about how the Hurricane sucked because of the kick. I'll say this, the three round burst with lvs I Ap round took 1-1.5 bars of armor on an Atlas and kills an assault trooper instantly. I was killing centurions with two 3 round bursts. Killed phantoms with three 3 round bursts. Some guns are easy to use and are targeted at skill-less players, like the Harrier. Other require a bit of mastery, like the hurricane and ppr. The Argus requires mastery.

[polymphus]

It should be pretty obvious the one way to use it well: Turian Soldier, marksman. Specced right, you can land triple headshots pretty easily and it'll tear infantry to bits.

The problem then still arises in that the projectiles travel slowly- about the same as a striker or graal shot, so it's difficult to hit moving targets at range. I mean, the slow projectile + ping switched the graal from my most-used single player weapon to a footnote I bring out on bronze/silver for nostalgia's sake. It sinks the gun pretty hard, is what I'm saying.

[Ravenmyste]

Cyonan wrote...

It's decent on a Turian Soldier with full equipment.

But that doesn't make it a good gun by any means when you need that many modifiers just to make it a decent weapon. There are also far better options for the Turians.

yeah this is true to many mods to accomdate its lack luster damage is ... how mordin would  say problematic but the recoil mod is a must! no if ands or buts

[Colonel Sheppard]

No specific class is required. We did not use Turian soldier.

[mybudgee]

Argus is the new black Eagle

Modifié par mybudgee, 24 septembre 2012 - 07:24 .

[Asebstos]

Colonel Sheppard wrote...

You guys need to experiment. It's no particle rifle or harrier, but it's really good. Trust me, it's a pretty devasting assault rifle if you use the right load out. No level IV ammo needed on gold. We also tried it vs the harrier, saber, and Indra. It is a VERY GOOD gun.

I did experiment and I can definitively say that it ISN'T a "very good" gun. It isn't worth the weight.

[Ronnie Blastoff]

The rate of Fire.... its not multiplayer friendly. Even playing a game getting mostly headshots, I couldnt help but feel I'd had gotten better results from a fully loaded tempest X or a revenant. The guns RoF is just to pausey for me. Otherwise I actually believe the gun is PERFECT as is, great damage, horrible accuracy and wieght, RARE gun. Its actually somewhat a small step down from my Harrier X. Seriously though I do believe the gun should at least match the Mattocks DPS.