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[Cyonan]

Colonel Sheppard wrote...

No specific class is required. We did not use Turian soldier.

Even if you have to use full equipment just to make it decent that's too many modifiers to go calling it as good as the Sabre which works well without equipment. I can just take that equipment and use it on my Sabre to make it even better.

The majority of the gold level guns work pretty well without equipment, but the Argus is not one of them. I wouldn't call it the worst gold level gun(I'd probably save that title for the Disciple), but it's not really that good of a weapon either.

[Badpanzer]

Despite fanciful claims to the contrary the Argus remains rubbish.
Also the Mattock is superior by far.

[ElectroNeonPanda]

Without any evidence to argue the contrary I'm going to go with my initial findings of it being complete and utter arse.

[yahel_]

Cyonan wrote...
The majority of the gold level guns work pretty well without equipment, but the Argus is not one of them. I wouldn't call it the worst gold level gun(I'd probably save that title for the Disciple), but it's not really that good of a weapon either.

Ever tried the Disciple + Acolyte with an Asari Justicar?

To the argus, I think it´s a fair gun but I can only think of two helpful ways to use it, as a close combat weapon or on a Turisold with RoF marksman and stabilization mods.

Modifié par yahel_, 24 septembre 2012 - 08:20 .

[Happy Shepard]

Yeah, we get it. It's not your Harrier 2.0. Get over it, people. The Argus is a decent weapons that can be utilized for Gold.

Edit: It still needs lower weight, though.

[Asari Wet Squid]

Its been 2 hours now, just spill the beans.

I tried the argus x with scope and barrel on my N7 destroyer, worst score ever.
(scope makes the saber pop heads?)

[rgeshevv]

Happy Shepard wrote...

Yeah, we get it. It's not your Harrier 2.0. Get over it, people. The Argus is a decent weapons that can be utilized for Gold.

Edit: It still needs lower weight, though.

Some guys utilized the Avenger on Platinum, but that doesn't mean it's a good gun. I don't mind the Argus' weight, but I'd like to see a bit of damage increase and maybe 10-15% more rate of fire.

[Rifneno]

Happy Shepard wrote...

Yeah, we get it. It's not your Harrier 2.0. Get over it, people. The Argus is a decent weapons that can be utilized for Gold.

Edit: It still needs lower weight, though.

No, you don't get it.  You MASSIVELY don't get it.  You're not in the same galaxy as getting it.  No one was expecting a harrier 2.0.  We were expecting a decent weapon.  This isn't decent.  This is ****.  Are you hearing me?  It's complete and utter garbage.  Theoretical DPS always gets ragged on because it's so hard to maximize with weapons like this that kick like a mule.  Yet even its THEORETICAL DPS only slightly edges out the avenger, the starter AR that weighs a fraction as much.  If this is your definition of "decent", then you don't know the meaning of the word.

Jesus!  I swear, they can't make a weapon bad enough that some people won't defend it.  They could give us a rifle that has a 5% chance of formatting your hard drive everytime you pull the trigger and people like this would come tell us it headshots good and we should just use it on laptops we don't care about.

[Uh Cold]

Colonel Sheppard wrote...
It's definitely top 4 assault rifle... if you spec your load out right.

You know how hard I tried to make it work in gold just to have it be complete crap and you tell me it's top 4 AR material?
It's bad, the vindicator is a more reliable option. Please stop trying to make it work, it doesn't, it won't, and it needs a buff.

[Ziegrif]

I have no problems using it.
Neither do I have a problem with it.
Aiming without recoil gear was a bit of a pain but I kinda like it.
Not good in CQC with Phantoms though.

It's fire rate and reload speed/animation remind me of the falcon, so I felt right at home with it.
And yes i used it on gold. Gotta get back to it when I get bored of the Claymore and other fun guns again.

Modifié par Ziegrif, 24 septembre 2012 - 11:18 .

[walk.man89]

[/quote]
Rifneno wrote:

No, you don't get it.  You MASSIVELY don't get it.  You're not in the same galaxy as getting it.  No one was expecting a harrier 2.0.  We were expecting a decent weapon.  This isn't decent.  This is ****.  Are you hearing me?  It's complete and utter garbage.  Theoretical DPS always gets ragged on because it's so hard to maximize with weapons like this that kick like a mule.  Yet even its THEORETICAL DPS only slightly edges out the avenger, the starter AR that weighs a fraction as much.  If this is your definition of "decent", then you don't know the meaning of the word.

Jesus!  I swear, they can't make a weapon bad enough that some people won't defend it.  They could give us a rifle that has a 5% chance of formatting your hard drive everytime you pull the trigger and people like this would come tell us it headshots good and we should just use it on laptops we don't care about.[/quote]

LOL:lol::lol:

Modifié par walk.man89, 24 septembre 2012 - 11:21 .

[Astartes Marine]

Stability dampener plus a Barrage Gear and over 70% of the recoil is removed, toss a scope on too and the accuracy problem is greatly improved.

Needs some balance changes to make it truly superior to the Vindicator but for now it can be serviceable with the right mods.

[Ziegrif]

hmm... Utilizing the incendiary bug with the 3 shots? might work.
There's also the option of just racking up its dmg with amps, warp ammo, both a EB and AP mods. And AR gear.
Then just shoot cerb guys in the nuts and you get 3 bodyshots or 2 bodyshots and 1 headshot or below the neck to get 2 near headshots in close range.

I prefer to shoot people in the nuts with it though.

Astartes Marine wrote...
Stability dampener plus a Barrage Gear and over 70% of the recoil is removed, toss a scope on too and the accuracy problem is greatly improved.

Umm that sounds like an Incisor actually ^^;
3 shots, scope, recoil removed by consumables and gear...

Modifié par Ziegrif, 24 septembre 2012 - 11:41 .

[Astartes Marine]

Ziegrif wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote...
Stability dampener plus a Barrage Gear and over 70% of the recoil is removed, toss a scope on too and the accuracy problem is greatly improved.

Umm that sounds like an Incisor actually ^^;

The Incisor has no recoil reducing mods.  Damn well needs them though...

Modifié par Astartes Marine, 24 septembre 2012 - 11:42 .

[Rifneno]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Stability dampener plus a Barrage Gear and over 70% of the recoil is removed, toss a scope on too and the accuracy problem is greatly improved.

Needs some balance changes to make it truly superior to the Vindicator but for now it can be serviceable with the right mods.

Sweet, solved the recoil problem with only two mods.  Now to use the other zero slots to help solve is worse-than-the-predator dps problem and the ol' non-existent ultralightweight assault rifle materials mod to get its weight down to "pregnant mare" and we'll have a passable gun!

[Astartes Marine]

Rifneno wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote...
Stability dampener plus a Barrage Gear and over 70% of the recoil is removed, toss a scope on too and the accuracy problem is greatly improved.
Needs some balance changes to make it truly superior to the Vindicator but for now it can be serviceable with the right mods.

Sweet, solved the recoil problem with only two mods.  Now to use the other zero slots to help solve is worse-than-the-predator dps problem and the ol' non-existent ultralightweight assault rifle materials mod to get its weight down to "pregnant mare" and we'll have a passable gun!

The weight isn't all that relevant really, there are plenty of classes not reliant on cooldowns.  As for DPS, surely you're exaggerating? 

[corlist]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Stability dampener plus a Barrage Gear and over 70% of the recoil is removed, toss a scope on too and the accuracy problem is greatly improved.

Needs some balance changes to make it truly superior to the Vindicator but for now it can be serviceable with the right mods.

Nice... just two mods and a gear for the Argus X and we have a gun that's slightly worse than a clean Mattock I.

Can we now stop arguing that the Argus can be decent with a ton of consumables and mods in case Bioware thinks no buffs are needed?

[Rifneno]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote...
Stability dampener plus a Barrage Gear and over 70% of the recoil is removed, toss a scope on too and the accuracy problem is greatly improved.
Needs some balance changes to make it truly superior to the Vindicator but for now it can be serviceable with the right mods.

Sweet, solved the recoil problem with only two mods.  Now to use the other zero slots to help solve is worse-than-the-predator dps problem and the ol' non-existent ultralightweight assault rifle materials mod to get its weight down to "pregnant mare" and we'll have a passable gun!

The weight isn't all that relevant really, there are plenty of classes not reliant on cooldowns.  As for DPS, surely you're exaggerating? 

No, I'm not.

[Astartes Marine]

corlist wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote...
Stability dampener plus a Barrage Gear and over 70% of the recoil is removed, toss a scope on too and the accuracy problem is greatly improved.
Needs some balance changes to make it truly superior to the Vindicator but for now it can be serviceable with the right mods.

Nice... just two mods and a gear for the Argus X and we have a gun that's slightly worse than a clean Mattock I.
Can we now stop arguing that the Argus can be decent with a ton of consumables and mods in case Bioware thinks no buffs are needed?

I hope you're not implying that I said no buffs are needed, far from it.  This gun definitely needs work, I simply think that it's not "useless" as some are making it out to be.

[GhastonGrey]

There are primetime weaps - and then everything else. To me - this is an everything else weapon. Doesn't mean I cant have fun with it on a goofing around run.

[Samerandomscreennameidontcareabout]

Colonel Sheppard wrote...
 Other require a bit of mastery, like the hurricane and ppr. The Argus requires mastery.

Imposing artificial limits on yourself does not make you skillful. it just shows that you are to an extent willing to take up additional complications for yourself in order to be different from the rest at any price. Don´t confuse usability with no skill and vice versa.

[Happy Shepard]

Rifneno wrote...

Happy Shepard wrote...

Yeah, we get it. It's not your Harrier 2.0. Get over it, people. The Argus is a decent weapons that can be utilized for Gold.

Edit: It still needs lower weight, though.

No, you don't get it.  You MASSIVELY don't get it.  You're not in the same galaxy as getting it.  No one was expecting a harrier 2.0.  We were expecting a decent weapon.  This isn't decent.  This is ****.  Are you hearing me?  It's complete and utter garbage.  Theoretical DPS always gets ragged on because it's so hard to maximize with weapons like this that kick like a mule.  Yet even its THEORETICAL DPS only slightly edges out the avenger, the starter AR that weighs a fraction as much.  If this is your definition of "decent", then you don't know the meaning of the word.

Jesus!  I swear, they can't make a weapon bad enough that some people won't defend it.  They could give us a rifle that has a 5% chance of formatting your hard drive everytime you pull the trigger and people like this would come tell us it headshots good and we should just use it on laptops we don't care about.

Stop whining.

And like i said, i get it. It's difficult to use, only works on certain classes without consumables, doesn't do enough damage for it's weight and you're ****ed if it's your only gun on a Destroyer/Turian Soldier and things get tough.

But saying it's the worst AR in the whole game is just...well, not true.

If i can kill an assault trooper or cannibal on Gold with 1/2 bursts from cover and shielded enemies with 2/3 bursts from cover, it's definitely decent. Especially when you can't just stand there and shoot for ages like you would have to with an Avenger or a Phaeston.

[Rifneno]

Happy Shepard wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Happy Shepard wrote...

Yeah, we get it. It's not your Harrier 2.0. Get over it, people. The Argus is a decent weapons that can be utilized for Gold.

Edit: It still needs lower weight, though.

No, you don't get it.  You MASSIVELY don't get it.  You're not in the same galaxy as getting it.  No one was expecting a harrier 2.0.  We were expecting a decent weapon.  This isn't decent.  This is ****.  Are you hearing me?  It's complete and utter garbage.  Theoretical DPS always gets ragged on because it's so hard to maximize with weapons like this that kick like a mule.  Yet even its THEORETICAL DPS only slightly edges out the avenger, the starter AR that weighs a fraction as much.  If this is your definition of "decent", then you don't know the meaning of the word.

Jesus!  I swear, they can't make a weapon bad enough that some people won't defend it.  They could give us a rifle that has a 5% chance of formatting your hard drive everytime you pull the trigger and people like this would come tell us it headshots good and we should just use it on laptops we don't care about.

Stop whining.

And like i said, i get it. It's difficult to use, only works on certain classes without consumables, doesn't do enough damage for it's weight and you're ****ed if it's your only gun on a Destroyer/Turian Soldier and things get tough.

But saying it's the worst AR in the whole game is just...well, not true.

If i can kill an assault trooper or cannibal on Gold with 1/2 bursts from cover and shielded enemies with 2/3 bursts from cover, it's definitely decent. Especially when you can't just stand there and shoot for ages like you would have to with an Avenger or a Phaeston.

Stop so grossly misunderstanding the game that I start wondering if you've mistaken this for a Tetris forum.

Yes, it's the worst AR in the game.  There's no question about that.  If you think there is, then you probably think the white square sucks too.  The only ones that do worse damage are: avenger (starter weapon, fraction of the weight), GPR (previously the worst AR, fraction of the weight and almost all of the damage), and the falcon (stagger monster that isn't intended for damage).  The phaeston has little recoil and very easily kills assault troopers and cannibals by simply headshotting them.  Something the anus will do exactly once before you're firing at low-altitude aircraft.

[hostaman]

GroverA125 wrote...

We have went over this rule too many times.

If a weapon requires temporary consumable buffs to be good, then it's a bad weapon. Anything can be good with consumables, and therefore the suggestion of using equipment to improve a weapon is putting the weapon against the same weapons, albeit with the numerical differences more prominent.

And for the sake of it: an eagle can be usable with equipment. That doesn't mean that it's a good weapon.

Couldn't you make the same argumant for mods?

E.g. As the Locust is far more accurate than the Hurricane with no mods does that make it a better gun?  On the evidence of the forum most players prefer the Hurricane even though it's unusable without a stabalizer.

I use the Locost as I haven't unlocked a stabalizer yet