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hostaman wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

We have went over this rule too many times.

If a weapon requires temporary consumable buffs to be good, then it's a bad weapon. Anything can be good with consumables, and therefore the suggestion of using equipment to improve a weapon is putting the weapon against the same weapons, albeit with the numerical differences more prominent.

And for the sake of it: an eagle can be usable with equipment. That doesn't mean that it's a good weapon.

Couldn't you make the same argumant for mods?

E.g. As the Locust is far more accurate than the Hurricane with no mods does that make it a better gun?  On the evidence of the forum most players prefer the Hurricane even though it's unusable without a stabalizer.

I use the Locost as I haven't unlocked a stabalizer yet 

Except that the hurricane has extreme DPS to back it up. If the Argus were to be compared with this analogy, it would have the recoil of the hurricane and the DPS of the locust.

[Happy Shepard]

Rifneno wrote...

Happy Shepard wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Happy Shepard wrote...

Yeah, we get it. It's not your Harrier 2.0. Get over it, people. The Argus is a decent weapons that can be utilized for Gold.

Edit: It still needs lower weight, though.

No, you don't get it.  You MASSIVELY don't get it.  You're not in the same galaxy as getting it.  No one was expecting a harrier 2.0.  We were expecting a decent weapon.  This isn't decent.  This is ****.  Are you hearing me?  It's complete and utter garbage.  Theoretical DPS always gets ragged on because it's so hard to maximize with weapons like this that kick like a mule.  Yet even its THEORETICAL DPS only slightly edges out the avenger, the starter AR that weighs a fraction as much.  If this is your definition of "decent", then you don't know the meaning of the word.

Jesus!  I swear, they can't make a weapon bad enough that some people won't defend it.  They could give us a rifle that has a 5% chance of formatting your hard drive everytime you pull the trigger and people like this would come tell us it headshots good and we should just use it on laptops we don't care about.

Stop whining.

And like i said, i get it. It's difficult to use, only works on certain classes without consumables, doesn't do enough damage for it's weight and you're ****ed if it's your only gun on a Destroyer/Turian Soldier and things get tough.

But saying it's the worst AR in the whole game is just...well, not true.

If i can kill an assault trooper or cannibal on Gold with 1/2 bursts from cover and shielded enemies with 2/3 bursts from cover, it's definitely decent. Especially when you can't just stand there and shoot for ages like you would have to with an Avenger or a Phaeston.

Stop so grossly misunderstanding the game that I start wondering if you've mistaken this for a Tetris forum.

Yes, it's the worst AR in the game.  There's no question about that.  If you think there is, then you probably think the white square sucks too.  The only ones that do worse damage are: avenger (starter weapon, fraction of the weight), GPR (previously the worst AR, fraction of the weight and almost all of the damage), and the falcon (stagger monster that isn't intended for damage).  The phaeston has little recoil and very easily kills assault troopers and cannibals by simply headshotting them.  Something the anus will do exactly once before you're firing at low-altitude aircraft.

Ah, okay. So if people argue that the Argus headshots good, you use your ultimate response. The Avenger and the Phaeston can do this too. That's some deep ****, man.

You just don't know what you are talking about, because you don't even have it.

I would recommend trying it first and then understand that most people here are just complaining that it's not their new Harrier or Typhoon that drops everything by pressing one button. It's just kind of underwhelming for what it's supposed to be (like the PPR after it's release) and needs some balance changes to make it worth it. But it's definitely not an Eagle or a Disciple.

Modifié par Happy Shepard, 24 septembre 2012 - 12:39 .

[Tonymac]

Rifneno wrote...

Happy Shepard wrote...

Yeah, we get it. It's not your Harrier 2.0. Get over it, people. The Argus is a decent weapons that can be utilized for Gold.

Edit: It still needs lower weight, though.

No, you don't get it.  You MASSIVELY don't get it.  You're not in the same galaxy as getting it.  No one was expecting a harrier 2.0.  We were expecting a decent weapon.  This isn't decent.  This is ****.  Are you hearing me?  It's complete and utter garbage.  Theoretical DPS always gets ragged on because it's so hard to maximize with weapons like this that kick like a mule.  Yet even its THEORETICAL DPS only slightly edges out the avenger, the starter AR that weighs a fraction as much.  If this is your definition of "decent", then you don't know the meaning of the word.

Jesus!  I swear, they can't make a weapon bad enough that some people won't defend it.  They could give us a rifle that has a 5% chance of formatting your hard drive everytime you pull the trigger and people like this would come tell us it headshots good and we should just use it on laptops we don't care about.

ZOMG that is great.  Pretty much my sentiment too.  The gun is not good. 

I am not sure why Bioware is focusing on making more mediocre weapons.  Make some good stuff!  Why is it that everything they do is meant specifically to troll players?  They know their assult rifles blow donkeys.  So, they say hey  - players want a good assult rifle.  There are 2 ways Bioware knows how to do it.  1)make a good AR like the Typhoon - then sick the hammerman on it to nerf it into utter crap.  2)  Make it craptastic right off the bat. 

Why, this late in the game, do they come out with a crap gun thats not even middle of the road?  Are they really that bad at this?

[SierraGHOSTN7]

DAFUQ?!
Argus better than Mattock?
You got to be kiddin me.

[LadyAlekto]

I like the argus but i have to admit it sucks, op if youre taking all that gear for the argus, take a revenant and have easily twice the potential.....

The argus fully buffed does less then an revenant without gear, even my lousy typhoon 3 does more (and who had the idea to make the phoons recoil increase with each level?)

*edit* i get more out of my eagle then i get out of my argus, just noting, also harrier has a different niche almost everyone fielding it is failing at..... i expected a better vindicator while it is infact even worse, burst weapons dont work with low firerates and long minrefire times

Modifié par ShadedPhoenix, 24 septembre 2012 - 12:58 .

[ryoldschool]

Samerandomscreennameidontcareabout wrote...
Also: Somehow you think the Parrticle rifle is a good weapon. Either this means you are crazy or an argus savant or I simply didn´t get a memo. PArticle Rifle is an absolutely horrid weapon.

????  Maybe he has not tried it since the buff?

[Origin]

GroverA125 wrote...

We have went over this rule too many times.

If a weapon requires temporary consumable buffs to be good, then it's a bad weapon. Anything can be good with consumables, and therefore the suggestion of using equipment to improve a weapon is putting the weapon against the same weapons, albeit with the numerical differences more prominent.

And for the sake of it: an eagle can be usable with equipment. That doesn't mean that it's a good weapon.

Well, the ammo is for free, right? So one way of keeping the game economy runing is to create weaker weapons that need consumables to be really effective.

For EA / Bioware business, this is a good move. On the other hand, for the customers and I mean us, the players, it is highly annoying.

From the game story point of view it's an aberation. Why would the alliance waste the resources producing anything than top weapons or why would they nerf / downgrade the existing ones already proved in combat? Do they want to lose the war against the reapers?

Modifié par Aekshin, 24 septembre 2012 - 01:51 .

[Locutus_of_BORG]

The MP Argus is a lot better than the SP Argus, it seemed, so while when I first got it I thought it was okay.

Then I finally unlocked a Harrier I and realized it far outpaced my Argus VI... I've since gotten my Argus X but haven't used it.

[capn233]

Argus lovers from henceforth shall be known as Argunauts.

[Pedactor]

It will get buffed tomorrow. Be a bit patient.

[bunnylover]

Fire from cover, aim for the chest to fight muzzle climb. It works okay. It's not shocking like the Harrier, but it gets the job done okay if you're patient and you can feel the quick scope timing.

[Riot Inducer]

Imo the main thing making the Argus really not that useful atm is it's extreme weight, if it was on par with or ideally less than the Sabre it'd be a fine weapon. The damage is quite nice and the accuacy is very reasonable despite what the stat bar says. The recoil is the only limiting factor on its performance at range, and we have plenty of ways to deal with that.

[RGFrog]

Used it at X day one with the right mods and both on the TS and HS for their perks.

It was merely OK. It was a survivable weapon that didn't get me killed but it wasn't a killing machine, either. The games consisted of mostly assists with the weapon which was disappointing but a relief that it didn't make my a liability.

A weapon that requires mods just to be marginal is not a good weapon. It's an ok weapon with mods on bronze/silver... but it's not a decent weapon to take on gold/plat.

At best it should be an Uncommon classed weapon with some tweaks. In reality, it should be a common. It's weight to damage ratio is terrible and the reload, fire rate, and bullet travel time really means it shouldn't be considered a rare.

Granted, the GPR is a rare, but that's for lore reasons. In MP it should be an uncommon as well.

Seriously, I wonder at the logic used to classify and spec these weapons.

If you enjoy using the weapon, great. As for me, there's better in my manifest that cost me far less PSP's to utilize effectively.

Now, had my manifest been full and I didn't need another 500 psp's to get the weapons I want and was ONLY playing for fun/new ways to play, I might take on the argus for the challenge.

[Saradas85]

I came to a conclusion reading this thread: I need more credits for the DLC to compensate 10 levels of Argus

[bunnylover]

death_for_sale wrote...

bunnylover wrote...

Fire from cover, aim for the chest to fight muzzle climb. It works okay. It's not shocking like the Harrier, but it gets the job done okay if you're patient and you can feel the quick scope timing.

No, it gets the job done incredibly slowly and can easily be replaced by any other AR. Until this is buffed further, do not be shocked if it gets you kicked from Gold+ matches.

Could you replace the Argus with the Geth Pulse Rifle?  I don't really get kicked from matches. . .  but sure, I'll watch out for that.  

[Ronnie Blastoff]

Argus looks lolftly close to Angus.... Now I want some steak.

[Aryck the One]

I've tried out the Argus X on my N7 Paladin, and it's actually quite good... on Bronze, anyway. Not sure how it will hold up on higher difficulties, though; I haven't tried yet.

The same holds true for the single-player version, where I find it to be a decent gun on Normal, but utterly useless on Hardcore. The gun does need to be buffed, but until then, I feel it is, for the most part, a novelty morethan anything else.

[bunnylover]

death_for_sale wrote...

Yes, it is easily replaced by the GPR.

Wow, maybe you're just way better at using the GPR than I am.  I can't seem to get that gun to do any damage whatsoever even on Silver.  I've never used it in Gold, the damage has seemed so terrible.  On the contrary, with the Argus, I can take out most infantry in 2 bursts in Gold.  

To each their own though.  I seem to be able to put down acceptable damage with it, though I'll admit that it doesn't live up to its weight.  Maybe we just don't know what's in the OP's secret sauce though and we'll all be enlightened.  

[RGFrog]

The trick with the GPR is it's high fire rate and decent accuracy. It's less about DPS and more about ammo power delivery.

The argus has neither of these strong points and a lot of weight to make even less useful.

It wants to be a heavy hitter. It tries to claim it is for close environments. It has reduced bullets per burst to save on ammo. In essence it's the type of weapon you give to your minions when you want to save money not their lives.

[sacrileage]

Argus is amazing for tech burst Honestly the harrier blows. Not because it can't out DPS any gun or it's light or any other fact than everyone uses it. I hate those boring people who just play firebas white all the time. Just because you play different match but all you do is play a demolished with harrier or GI with a harrier or destroyer. You are still just boring. You also lack the skill or creativity to use any other weapon. The same goes for typhoon and particle rifle.

[zRz Tyr]

You have to be skilled to be good with it. To bad most ME3 players suck.

[Rifneno]

Happy Shepard wrote...

You just don't know what you are talking about, because you don't even have it.

LOL.  Waiting for that piece of fail.  Like the gun's really different in MP than it was in Leviathan.  Swing and a miss.  Swing in the wrong goddamn direction.

[Rifneno]

sacrileage wrote...

Argus is amazing for tech burst Honestly the harrier blows. Not because it can't out DPS any gun or it's light or any other fact than everyone uses it. I hate those boring people who just play firebas white all the time. Just because you play different match but all you do is play a demolished with harrier or GI with a harrier or destroyer. You are still just boring. You also lack the skill or creativity to use any other weapon. The same goes for typhoon and particle rifle.

This...  wow.  The harrier blows because people play FBW all the time.  This post probably causes cancer it's so bad.