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[Cyonan]

whateverman7 wrote...
i disagree...think it works well without mods...and by mods, i'm talking about the consumable ones....

i agree, it's a stronger, heavier vindicator....cause everything else is about the same between them...also, a stability mod is needed on the vindicator too...the vindicator has serious recoil when zooming in....i use stability and extended barrel.....you're right, the vindicator isnt the best weapon in the game, but it's a damn good one cause it can handle all enemy types/defenses....so getting a stronger one, which the argus is, isnt a bad thing....the only negative with the argus is the weight...it's too damn heavy...i dont know why BW thinks all ARs should be so heavy, but they do....

That's where I disagree, as while it hits harder per shot, the Vindicator will get shots off much faster allowing for roughly the same damage output. The Vindicator is much more flexable in modding due to the fact that you don't need 2 mods just to get decent accuracy at range, while the Argus needs both the Stability Mod and the Scope to do that. If you don't take those mods, it's a more CQC weapon which means it's now in direct competition with Shotguns, a fight the Argus will not be winning.

Without needing both those mods, the Vindicator has room for a Piercing Mod, which knocks out the one thing the Argus had on it: It was better against armoured targets.

The weight of the Argus is okay(If they reduce it, it just becomes an inaccurate Vindicator rather than a heavy inaccurate one). What it needs to deliver on is damage output. It's supposed to be a heavy hard hitting inaccurate Vindicator, but it's not all there on the "hard hitting" part.

They have a decent number of lighter ARs, but the issue is that most of them aren't all that great. Pistols that are of equal or less weight are usually much better than the Avenger, Vindicator, Geth Pulse Rifle, etc.

What I actually want to see from an AR is a super heavy(2.5-2.0) one that packs a lot of power, like the Claymore does for shotguns. The Typhoon is the only AR in that weight range right now, and the Particle Rifle tends to do its' job better.

[Learn To Love Yourself]

masseffect420 wrote...

It S U C K S BALLS

I'm not letting that thing anywhere near my quad.

[Rifneno]

Jack Crapper wrote...

masseffect420 wrote...

It S U C K S BALLS

I'm not letting that thing anywhere near my quad.

9/10.  

[Jayhau]

First class I used it on was the justicar.

It was okay

Tried on Turian soldier with lucust backup and I put the argus away after wave 3 cause the locust was rocking for me lol

Honestly I'd rather take the vindicator.

[aarnold1]

Used it couple times on human soldier. Level X. Wasn't impressed. Although I don't agree with those saying it is worthless, there are better weapons that will keep you alive longer. This particular gun could have used a unique capability, like natural 50% armor ignore or something, or maybe automatic tech burst priming. Oh well, look forward to seeing it buffed one of these days.

[aarnold1]

Miniditka77 wrote...

Samerandomscreennameidontcareabout wrote...

Also: Somehow you think the Parrticle rifle is a good weapon. Either this means you are crazy or an argus savant or I simply didn´t get a memo. PArticle Rifle is an absolutely horrid weapon.

Um... the Particle Rifle is widely considered one of the best Platinum weapons there is.  Search on YouTube for some videos of GI's using the Particle Rifle.  I think they're using Incendiary Ammo.  Regardless, they are melting Banshees' armor so quickly you would think they were using a tricked out Piranha on Bronze.

You are both right.  PPR is bad at level 1 to 4.  Around 5 and up to 10, it's a solid rifle and is one of the best kept secrets.  It's also pretty dang expensive and hard to get maxed out.  I have no idea what the RNG tables look like, but I could imagine this one is harder than the others (Scorpion, etc are easy).  I have all the URs except the PPR.  Got lots of level 4 ammo though.  haha

Modifié par aarnold1, 24 septembre 2012 - 05:36 .

[Star fury]

Rifneno wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Tymathee wrote...

I hate the gun, hated it in SP, hope i dont get it in MP.

i dont understand what the heck bioware was thinking with this one.

They want to give us 10 more golden cards = ammo lvl IV.

I'd rather have the ammo.  

You'll get ammo anyway when you max Argus.

[SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING]

thing sucks, its a bad gun first time i used it i was lining up for a HS 1/3 of the bullets hit the head and the 2 flew above the head.

i left the game and equipped a better gun and joined back in

[fatzpatrick]

Shenanigans

[Xaijin]

I like all those "you just don't know how to use it" posts that act like they've discovered some secret.

There is no secret.

It's a tremendously crap weapon and is eclipsed by at least 20 other weapons... without amps, much less with them.

[whateverman7]

Cyonan wrote...

That's where I disagree, as while it hits harder per shot, the Vindicator will get shots off much faster allowing for roughly the same damage output. The Vindicator is much more flexable in modding due to the fact that you don't need 2 mods just to get decent accuracy at range, while the Argus needs both the Stability Mod and the Scope to do that. If you don't take those mods, it's a more CQC weapon which means it's now in direct competition with Shotguns, a fight the Argus will not be winning.

Without needing both those mods, the Vindicator has room for a Piercing Mod, which knocks out the one thing the Argus had on it: It was better against armoured targets.

The weight of the Argus is okay(If they reduce it, it just becomes an inaccurate Vindicator rather than a heavy inaccurate one). What it needs to deliver on is damage output. It's supposed to be a heavy hard hitting inaccurate Vindicator, but it's not all there on the "hard hitting" part.

They have a decent number of lighter ARs, but the issue is that most of them aren't all that great. Pistols that are of equal or less weight are usually much better than the Avenger, Vindicator, Geth Pulse Rifle, etc.

What I actually want to see from an AR is a super heavy(2.5-2.0) one that packs a lot of power, like the Claymore does for shotguns. The Typhoon is the only AR in that weight range right now, and the Particle Rifle tends to do its' job better.

they both fire burst rounds, vindicator isnt firing off rounds that much faster to make up the damage difference....the reloading is better on the vindicator though....also, you dont need the scope mod on the argus, it's pretty accurate...

i disagre...it's pretty accurate with a stability mod...same as the vindicator...

true, they have some lighter ARs, but the newer released ones have been heavy...saber, particule, typhoon, and now the argus

i agree...i would love an AR equivalent to the claymore...the ones right now have the weight part, but not the hard hitting part

[Richter Harken]

It feels like it wants to be a heavy melon popper kind of gun, what with the decent damage per burst, but the muzzle climb really kills it. Even firing from cover with a recoil reducer, it's hard to get all 3 bullets hit the head. It needs to hit a bit harder, and have a bit less muzzle climb to justify it's weight and refire speed.

It's not completely useless, I was able to complete gold runs with it and not feel unarmed, but it really seems like a toy compared to a Saber.

[tonnactus]

It was even underwhelming on Bronze.

[capn233]

Argus rates in the "sub-par" to "mediocre" range.  Which means it is in good company in the assault rifle class.

Modifié par capn233, 24 septembre 2012 - 07:03 .

[Ziegrif]

Just make the thing do same or slightly above dmg as the Harrier and everyone will love it.

It's really that simple.

[Cyonan]

whateverman7 wrote...
they both fire burst rounds, vindicator isnt firing off rounds that much faster to make up the damage difference....the reloading is better on the vindicator though....also, you dont need the scope mod on the argus, it's pretty accurate...

i disagre...it's pretty accurate with a stability mod...same as the vindicator...

true, they have some lighter ARs, but the newer released ones have been heavy...saber, particule, typhoon, and now the argus

i agree...i would love an AR equivalent to the claymore...the ones right now have the weight part, but not the hard hitting part

The Argus has a 0.65 second delay after the burst while the Vindicator's is 0.25 seconds. It's a considerable amount of time.

There's enough spread that you can't reliably hit things with all 3 rounds at longer ranges, even with high stability. Even if they're the same, the Vindicator still can use both the Extended Barrel + Piercing Mod making it better overall on damage(as it wins on armoured targets). The fact that the Vindicator is both lighter and a silver weapon says that there's something wrong with the Argus. That it's a heavier less accurate slower Vindicator is fine, but the damage output should reflect that when you are in range to land every shot.

I think the ARs being released have been a bit heavier since people are saying they want powerful ARs, and if it's both light and powerful it ends up being nerfed. The Harrier isn't too bad on weight, though. The Sabre also isn't a new addition.

[hudder92]

I think I know how to spec it out. Destroyer on Bronze. It's the only way you will do well with this gun. LOL

[whateverman7]

Cyonan wrote...

The Argus has a 0.65 second delay after the burst while the Vindicator's is 0.25 seconds. It's a considerable amount of time.

There's enough spread that you can't reliably hit things with all 3 rounds at longer ranges, even with high stability. Even if they're the same, the Vindicator still can use both the Extended Barrel + Piercing Mod making it better overall on damage(as it wins on armoured targets). The fact that the Vindicator is both lighter and a silver weapon says that there's something wrong with the Argus. That it's a heavier less accurate slower Vindicator is fine, but the damage output should reflect that when you are in range to land every shot.

I think the ARs being released have been a bit heavier since people are saying they want powerful ARs, and if it's both light and powerful it ends up being nerfed. The Harrier isn't too bad on weight, though. The Sabre also isn't a new addition.

so you notice a .40 difference during the game? lol i doubt it...i know yall like to talk spreadsheet info, but i dont...i talk game experience...and from game experience, the burst is about the same...which .40 is 

with a stability mod, there is no spread...i know, i used the gun with a stability mod....and the vindicator needs a stability mod the same as the argus....cause it recoils the same as the argus when you zoom and shoot...i dont care what the card color the guns are...all i care about is performance and how it fits my play style in the game....when it comes to that, the only advantage the vindicator has over the argus is it's lighter, that's it...that's why i prefer it cause the weight lets me have a good mix of powers and weapon

you're correct, i was mistaken about the saber, it's not new....anyway, that's besides the point....the point is weight doesnt equal power....the guns are good, but they are heavy...the argus, heavy...the typhoon, heavy....the harrier, heavy....and that heavy weight causes people to use other options...im not asking the guns be lighter and powerful...they can be heavy as hell, i just want it powerful as hell too....an AR equivalent to the claymore: heavy as hell, but powerful as hell too....the closest is the saber, but i want a full auto AR like that

Modifié par whateverman7, 25 septembre 2012 - 03:39 .

[Drummernate]

So you need to have it on a perfect build with max level equipment to make it even decent?

Sorry, the Saber rocks without any equipment and on level 1 characters.

Argus just sucks.

Vindicator is about 3x as good in every way other than damage. (Which it only lacks by a tiny bit.)

[jacob taylor416]

If you guys already like the rifle, why are you so opposed to the idea of a buff, it could only get better? I loved it from campaign but think it could be better in multiplayer.

[corporal doody]

rocked it on bronze. sweet piece.
rocked it on silver. not so bad. just takes alittle getting used to...and stability is a must at range!

have yet to rock on gold....might do it tonight.

[Grunt_Platform]

whateverman7 wrote...

so you notice a .40 difference during the game? lol i doubt it...i know yall like to talk spreadsheet info, but i dont...i talk game experience...and from game experience, the burst is about the same...which .40 is 

with a stability mod, there is no spread...i know, i used the gun with a stability mod....and the vindicator needs a stability mod the same as the argus....cause it recoils the same as the argus when you zoom and shoot...i dont care what the card color the guns are...all i care about is performance and how it fits my play style in the game....when it comes to that, the only advantage the vindicator has over the argus is it's lighter, that's it...that's why i prefer it cause the weight lets me have a good mix of powers and weapon

you're correct, i was mistaken about the saber, it's not new....anyway, that's besides the point....the point is weight doesnt equal power....the guns are good, but they are heavy...the argus, heavy...the typhoon, heavy....the harrier, heavy....and that heavy weight causes people to use other options...im not asking the guns be lighter and powerful...they can be heavy as hell, i just want it powerful as hell too....an AR equivalent to the claymore: heavy as hell, but powerful as hell too....the closest is the saber, but i want a full auto AR like that

I tried my damndest to make this gun work on a Turian Sentinel. With Turian Veteran, and a Barrage Upgrade, the recoil was eliminated, leaving me with the gun's rather modest, but significant aim-error. If you don't think there's any spread on the gun then... I honestly don't know how you could miss it. The gun does not have perfect acuracy, though its grouping isn't bad out to medium range. Used Extended Barrel and Piercing Mod to maximize damage.

I for one really did notice the slow fire rate. There's a significant pause between bursts, whereas the Vindicator can fire another burst almost immediately. Even racking up headshots, the gun was not performing significantly better against Geth than the Vindicator.

I don't know what gun you're comparing it to that you think it's worth anything, but in my experience (NOT spreadsheets), the damage output is mediocre at best, and certainly not worth its significant weight. The Revenant has better damage, and can stagger whole groups of enemies at close and medium range. The revenant's not a particularly strong gun, and it weighs less than the Argus does.. and it still does everything the argus does, but better.

Face it. The gun's garbage. it needs a buff, because it IS fun to use, and it looks and sounds cool, but pretending it's not the worst Assault Rifle in the game is just handicapping yourself, and your entire team.

Modifié par EvanKester, 25 septembre 2012 - 03:54 .

[corporal doody]

Drummernate wrote...

So you need to have it on a perfect build with max level equipment to make it even decent?

Sorry, the Saber rocks without any equipment and on level 1 characters.

Argus just sucks.

Vindicator is about 3x as good in every way other than damage. (Which it only lacks by a tiny bit.)

yeah...vindicator...i dunno man...too weak to be anything other than frustrating.

the Argus....stability stability stability!!!   stability mod and stability equipment (equipment or gear). it kicks too damned much otherwise.  damage is nice though.  better fired from the hip at close range. aimed at long range making adjustments for 3rd round jump (high and to the left...LIKE A M16A2 on burst).  

the Saber...mhhhmmmmmm.