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[Renmiri1]

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

Cullen is the new Anders..

My Hawke is with her Anders but if Cullen is on DA3 as LI then I'll definitely roll out a gal to romance him 

[EpicBoot2daFace]

David Gaider wrote...

bob_20000 wrote...
So what did he do? Why is he so sexy? What's the big deal? To me, he's a very blank, emotionless, zero-dimensional character. HOW IS HE SO CHARMING?

1) Good hair.

2) Lots of imagination.

I sometimes wonder if these fans have developed Cullen into a character separate from the one actually in the game, but either way it's nice to see he has such ardent supporters. People like stuff, sometimes for reasons. Go figure.

The amount of gushing enthusiasm over mediocre characters seems to know no bounds here on BSN. Criticism of these characters would be far more beneficial to you and the others you work with.

The characters you and your other writers create are often just stereotypes with daddy issues. Almost all of them follow that formula.

EDIT: Allow me to direct you to this thread, Mr. Gaider. It actually pertains to this subject.

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 24 septembre 2012 - 09:10 .

[DahliaLynn]

David Gaider wrote...

bob_20000 wrote...
So what did he do? Why is he so sexy? What's the big deal? To me, he's a very blank, emotionless, zero-dimensional character. HOW IS HE SO CHARMING?

1) Good hair.

2) Lots of imagination.

I sometimes wonder if these fans have developed Cullen into a character separate from the one actually in the game, but either way it's nice to see he has such ardent supporters. People like stuff, sometimes for reasons. Go figure.

I'm just going to theorize here, but in my opinion the Cullen craze began in DA:O for those who have played the Female mage origin. While I haven't played it myself, I recall much mention of suggestive flirtation. I'd say some of the most wild and attractive romances are those of the forbidden kind. And Cullen showed a bit of indecisiveness in his own Templarhood, inner torment, and other symtoms that can evoke the more nurturing nature of a woman.

Because of that, imaginative fanfic's have been written fantasizing over what Cullen could have done felt or wanted,  mods have been created allowing Mage Females to romance him, etc.

Similarly, there has also been a following for Teagan, who also showed a touch of flirtaciousness with the Warden.

I believe, if you add just a touch of unexpected flirtacious attention /warming to the player, combined with that juicy  inner conflict, you come up with a heck of a fan following especially since nothing in the original game allowed for it. Enter modding/fanfic stage right.

In DA2, he became even more attractive, the authoritative compassionate Templar of whom he himself is unsure of the Knight Captain's intentions, can end up sympathizing with the player, even though he shouldn't.

I think the combo of these elements and event progression lead him to become rather attractive in the "wish-I-could-have-him" list of characters in the games.

[Dave of Canada]

I've said this countless times but Cullen's character fascinates me at the potential behind it, he's the idealist Templar who's ideals were crushed when he witnessed the Ferelden Circle reach it's worst. The mage-hatred made him ideal to serve Meredith, though the character develops over the acts as he begins to doubt the Templar Order because of Meredith's fanatism.

When you've finally reached the end of the game, Cullen's loyalties are unclear. The potential for this character is amazing, especially in a mage-templar conflict where his loyalties will be questioned. All the while, he'll have to deal with addiction to lyrium.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 24 septembre 2012 - 09:16 .

[TheJediSaint]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I've said this countless times but Cullen's character fascinates me at the potential behind it, he's the idealist Templar who's ideals were crushed when he witnessed the Ferelden Circle reach it's worst. The mage-hatred made him ideal to serve Meredith, though the character develops over the acts as he begins to doubt the Templar Order because of Meredith's fanatism.

When you've finally reached the end of the game, Cullen's loyalties are unclear. The potential for this character is amazing, especially in a mage-templar conflict where his loyalties will be questioned. All the while, he'll have to deal with addiction to lyrium.

It will be inetersting to see which side he ends up on after the events of Dragon Age: Asunder.   I mean, depending on the outcome, you could get Cullen + Seeker armor.

[Dave of Canada]

I'd like to imagine Cullen's loyalties ending up where the protagonist leads him, provided you can convince him. I mean, he has his reasons to fight against and for all factions.

[Face of Evil]

I can totally understand the fascination with Cullen, but I believe there's a little bit of wishful thinking regarding the character. I mean, sure, when he's stacked against Meredith, he looks entirely reasonable and sensible. Hell, Tarohne looks level-headed in comparison to Meredith, and she was a loon who lived in a pit and smeared purple make-up all over her face.

But I don't think he's evolved into Mr. "I Want to Hug All the Mages" by the end of DA2. He's more like Mr. "Let's Not Execute Mages Without Reason." There's quite a gulf there; I certainly wouldn't leave him alone in a room with, say, Merrill or Morrigan.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 24 septembre 2012 - 09:43 .

[Nashimura]

I think its the voice actor also the way he comes off as pretty reasonable for a templar in 2....feels like im bantering with the enemy and liking it when talking to him as a mage/mage supporter.

[TheJediSaint]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'd like to imagine Cullen's loyalties ending up where the protagonist leads him, provided you can convince him. I mean, he has his reasons to fight against and for all factions.

Assuming that he's a companion, sure.  But if he's an NPC, I could see him playing an important roll for any faction.  In fact, player decisions made in previous games could influence on which side of the fence that he lands on when and if he makes the jump.

[Herr Uhl]

Face of Evil wrote...

But I don't think he's evolved into Mr. "I Want to Hug All the Mages" by the end of DA3. He's more like Mr. "Let's Not Execute Mages Without Reason." There's quite a gulf there; I certainly wouldn't leave him alone in a room with, say, Merrill or Morrigan.

More of a Gregoire than a Meredith at least.

[Maclimes]

 I think part of the confusion where people seem to think Cullen is mage-friendly stems from the fact that if you play a mage, he's friendly to you.

Don't be confused, people. That's not because he's mage-friendly, it's because he's an idiot.

At one point, I'm standing there, full on Mage with staff and robes, with Merill and Anders, who, let's face it, are not subtle. He says to me, straight faced, that  "mages are not people like you and me."

He's not pro-mage. He's just too blind to know what a mage is. He's not nice to you because he thinks mages should be treated fairly. He's nice to you because he think you're not a mage.

Modifié par Maclimes, 24 septembre 2012 - 09:40 .

[Sharn01]

TheJediSaint wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

Cullen is the new Anders..

I think it's more accurate to say that he's Dragon Age's version Boba Fett.   Only he doesn't wear a helmet because that would mess up his hair.

Similer in that they are both potrayed as competent but essentially throw away minor characters that the fan base blew up to be far more then they actually are, sure.  Different though in that Cullen at least had more then one line of dialogue and didnt get killed the first time he got into a real fight.

[TheJediSaint]

Sharn01 wrote...

TheJediSaint wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

Cullen is the new Anders..

I think it's more accurate to say that he's Dragon Age's version Boba Fett.   Only he doesn't wear a helmet because that would mess up his hair.

Similer in that they are both potrayed as competent but essentially throw away minor characters that the fan base blew up to be far more then they actually are, sure.  Different though in that Cullen at least had more then one line of dialogue and didnt get killed the first time he got into a real fight.

Cullen has had the good fortune of never having to face a blind and disoriented Han Solo.

[Sharn01]

Maclimes wrote...

 I think part of the confusion where people seem to think Cullen is mage-friendly stems from the fact that if you play a mage, he's friendly to you.

Don't be confused, people. That's not because he's mage-friendly, it's because he's an idiot.

At one point, I'm standing there, full on Mage with staff and robes, with Merill and Anders, who, let's face it, are not subtle. He says to me, straight faced, that  "mages are not people like you and me."

He's not pro-mage. He's just too blind to know what a mage is. He's not nice to you because he thinks mages should be treated fairly. He's nice to you because he think you're not a mage.

Thats actually the games fault for making mages dress a certain way and making staff like weapons only useful for mages, most mages should actually be dressing like everyone else, unless of course they are circle mages who I am sure have "uniforms" to make them easily identifiable.

[Face of Evil]

I think Boba Fett's popularity is based entirely on his neat visual design. His outfit looks cool and his helmet looks cool, so I like him. Sure, he's got a face under there, but we never see it so his helmet IS his face. And we never saw him do anything stupid or particularly objectionable until Return of the Jedi.

Imagine if he spoke in The Empire Strikes Back with Jar-Jar Binks'  accent. "He-sa no good-ta to me dead-sa."

Modifié par Face of Evil, 24 septembre 2012 - 09:50 .

[David Gaider]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
The amount of gushing enthusiasm over mediocre characters seems to know no bounds here on BSN. Criticism of these characters would be far more beneficial to you and the others you work with.

The characters you and your other writers create are often just stereotypes with daddy issues. Almost all of them follow that formula.

While I'm certain that reductionism might seem like a profound insight to some, just about any character can be reduced to a stereotype (or archetype, if one prefers). There's usually a point to such analysis, rather than the analysis itself being the point.

Insofar as Cullen himself, I don't think he's a "mediocre character". He's obviously hit a chord. The only part I find interesting is that there's only so much extrapolation that can be done with what's been provided-- it's like finding a 20-page essay written about a 5-page short story.

If you feel the characters we write aren't creative enough, however, then cool. More power to ya. If that summary of yours is meant to be an invitation to that other thread, however, then I think I'll pass.

Modifié par David Gaider, 24 septembre 2012 - 09:51 .

[Il Divo]

David Gaider wrote...

bob_20000 wrote...
So what did he do? Why is he so sexy? What's the big deal? To me, he's a very blank, emotionless, zero-dimensional character. HOW IS HE SO CHARMING?

1) Good hair.

2) Lots of imagination.

I sometimes wonder if these fans have developed Cullen into a character separate from the one actually in the game, but either way it's nice to see he has such ardent supporters. People like stuff, sometimes for reasons. Go figure.

It's kinda funny how fan following develops around the most unlikely characters. Just look at Boba Fett. I have a friend who to this day believes Bobba to be superior to Jango (going strictly by their movie portrayals) because he's "mysterious", which I think is a rather weak justification.

Modifié par Il Divo, 24 septembre 2012 - 09:55 .

[TheJediSaint]

David Gaider wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
The amount of gushing enthusiasm over mediocre characters seems to know no bounds here on BSN. Criticism of these characters would be far more beneficial to you and the others you work with.

The characters you and your other writers create are often just stereotypes with daddy issues. Almost all of them follow that formula.

While I'm certain that reductionism might seem like a profound insight to some, just about any character can be reduced to a stereotype (or archetype, if one prefers). There's usually a point to such analysis, rather than the analysis itself being the point.

Insofar as Cullen himself, I don't think he's a "mediocre character". He's obviously hit a chord. The only part I find interesting is that there's only so much extrapolation that can be done with what's been provided-- it's like finding a 20-page essay written about a 5-page short story.

If you feel the characters we write aren't creative enough, however, then cool. More power to ya. If that summary of yours is meant to be an invitation to that other thread, however, then I think I'll pass.

I think that Cullen is fine as a character. He filled did his job as a character and looked good doing it, with a bit of character development on the side as well.  

Now that I think about it, I was wrong to compare him to Boba Fett.  Cullen is more like Wedge Antillies.  He's a minor character who makes the most of his limited screen time.

[Il Divo]

Aww damn, didn't know someone else had already made the Boba Fett comparison.

[TheJediSaint]

Il Divo wrote...

Aww damn, didn't know someone else had already made the Boba Fett comparison.

True, but I've changed my mind on that.  Feel free to say he's like Boba while I say he's like Wedge.

[iSignIn]

David Gaider wrote...

1) Good hair.

2) Lots of imagination.

I sometimes wonder if these fans have developed Cullen into a character separate from the one actually in the game, but either way it's nice to see he has such ardent supporters. People like stuff, sometimes for reasons. Go figure.

(1) The hair is a generic model shared by multiple NPCs.

(2) The same imagination can be applied to any subject. Any NPC or companion.

(3) David Gaider just used the expression "go figure". Perhaps I shouldn't avoid using that expression like plague.

Modifié par iSignIn, 24 septembre 2012 - 09:59 .

[Il Divo]

TheJediSaint wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Aww damn, didn't know someone else had already made the Boba Fett comparison.

True, but I've changed my mind on that.  Feel free to say he's like Boba while I say he's like Wedge.

Hmm, I could see it. Although I could be wrong on this, but is Wedge known to have a large fan following? That was the main factor which led me to draw the Boba comparison instead.

[SafetyShattered]

I don't hate the guy, he's ok. But I agree with you. I don't understand why so many people are so infatuated with him.

[CuriousArtemis]

Don't know if this will help explain things, but I played DA2 before DA:O. When I first met Cullen in DA2, I was really disappointed that my interactions with his character were so limited. He really fascinated me. His voice was great, for one thing. Yes, he was good-looking. But he also seemed like a conflicted character, even before I fully understand the whole templar versus mages thing.

When I finally played DA:O, I didn't find him as interesting, plus I have never played a female mage, so that has never factored into my interest.

[sunnydxmen]

Renmiri1 wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

Cullen is the new Anders..

My Hawke is with her Anders but if Cullen is on DA3 as LI then I'll definitely roll out a gal to romance him 





What if he turns gay by then lol.