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[Augustei]

Last Vizard wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Vilegrim wrote...

Hope not, destroying the chantry would be the only heroic thing to do, not join them.

Nothing more heroic than destroying the one organization capable of calling a unification of nations against the Qunari should they once again invade.... Wait thats not heroic thats ridiculous

The chantry isn't needed for that... most leaders will see the dangers and unite at some point, religion is a tool to control weak minds.

Yeah the chantry isn't needed for that, as seen in Europes swift response to the fall of Constantinople and how England and france eagerly moved their armies south to retake the city from the threat of the terks... Except that didn't happen. Why would Orlais or Nevarra give a damn if Rivain was being conquered? They wouldn't only the chantry would because they would be loosing the lands of those loyal to the church.

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 25 septembre 2012 - 06:54 .

[Swagger7]

Wow, it didn't even take one page for the thread to move into a discussion of real world freligion and insults. I'd call that a record, but I'm depressingly certain it isn't.....

I predict a lock by dawn.  (Note that it's always dawn somewhere.....)

Modifié par Swagger7, 25 septembre 2012 - 09:27 .

[Last Vizard]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Vilegrim wrote...

Hope not, destroying the chantry would be the only heroic thing to do, not join them.

Nothing more heroic than destroying the one organization capable of calling a unification of nations against the Qunari should they once again invade.... Wait thats not heroic thats ridiculous

The chantry isn't needed for that... most leaders will see the dangers and unite at some point, religion is a tool to control weak minds.

Yeah the chantry isn't needed for that, as seen in Europes swift response to the fall of Constantinople and how England and france eagerly moved their armies south to retake the city from the threat of the terks... Except that didn't happen. Why would Orlais or Nevarra give a damn if Rivain was being conquered? They wouldn't only the chantry would because they would be loosing the lands of those loyal to the church.

Did losing Constantinople lead to destruction for EU... No, so insignificant most people don't know it was a Roman city.  if the Qunari reach the point were they are a threat to all the Human nations then we would unite as a race.

 Regan's speech about how an external threat would unite the Human race.  There is something very different, very wrong about the thought of humans being slaves to another species and i'm sure most people feel that way.  Once you bring other sentient species into the equation it becomes life or death for your species.

Apples and oranges bringing constantinople into this discussion, If the Quanari can't outright defeat Humanity then I very much doubt they can hold all the human empires in their grip.  They would bleed themselves dry fighting guerilla attacks.

Modifié par Last Vizard, 25 septembre 2012 - 02:30 .

[Augustei]

Last Vizard wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Vilegrim wrote...

Hope not, destroying the chantry would be the only heroic thing to do, not join them.

Nothing more heroic than destroying the one organization capable of calling a unification of nations against the Qunari should they once again invade.... Wait thats not heroic thats ridiculous

The chantry isn't needed for that... most leaders will see the dangers and unite at some point, religion is a tool to control weak minds.

Yeah the chantry isn't needed for that, as seen in Europes swift response to the fall of Constantinople and how England and france eagerly moved their armies south to retake the city from the threat of the terks... Except that didn't happen. Why would Orlais or Nevarra give a damn if Rivain was being conquered? They wouldn't only the chantry would because they would be loosing the lands of those loyal to the church.

Did losing Constantinople lead to destruction for EU... No, so insignificant most people don't know it was a Roman city.  if the Qunari reach the point were they are a threat to all the Human nations then we would unite as a race.

 Regan's speech about how an external threat would unite the Human race.  There is something very different, very wrong about the thought of humans being slaves to another species and i'm sure most people feel that way.  Once you bring other sentient species into the equation it becomes life or death for your species.

Apples and oranges bringing constantinople into this discussion, If the Quanari can't outright defeat Humanity then I very much doubt they can hold all the human empires in their grip.  They would bleed themselves dry fighting guerilla attacks.

Each nation demonstrated During the Qunari invasion that they didn't care about the Qunari invading until it effected them, They Took Rivain, Antiva and much of Tevinter with no resistance from an army outside those nations until an Exalted March was called.

And the third blight: What did Tevinter and Orlais do about the Darkspawn in the free marches (now Nevarra) where the archdemon was located and the focus of the horde was located? even though this army was located right near their borders they did nothing until they were pressured into action by the grey wardens. This is the external threat of which you speak and yet nothing was done until The Grey Wardens pressured these two nations to unite.

Which is what The Chantry did with the Qunari, but who will unite them if the chantry falls? They wont unite themselves as they have countless times demonstrated an inability to do so, and if they do actually manage to do so it will most likely be when it is to late for an effective offensive against the invading armies. The Grey Wardens? They certainly wont they will maintain their neutrality as they always insist upon doing, as they did when the Qunari were attacking Kirkwall. So who will unify the nations? Not the Grey Wardens, not the nations themselves but the chantry.

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 25 septembre 2012 - 03:13 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Last Vizard wrote...
Did losing Constantinople lead to destruction for EU... No, so insignificant most people don't know it was a Roman city.

You're missing the point. This isn't about Constantinopol. It's about the outside threat presented by the turks.
The Crusades were the only organized resistence to those invasions.
Without the Church to unite europe, the map of the world would be looking very different now.

However, your thoughts on religion are utterly irrelevant to the game itself, so I don't see why you brought them up to being with.

[thats1evildude]

Yet another thread falls to the scourge of Chantry debates.

[silentassassin264]

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

I hated how DA2 was horribly biased to the templars. Actually, hate isn't really strong enough of a word. I doubt there really is a word in the English language to adequately express the negativity of my feelings towards that. If they make another heavily anti-mage game, you best believe I will not touch it.

Really? You think Meredith going bat crap crazy in such an obvious way that it almost forces you to side with mages is anti-mage? Sure a bunch of blood mages attack you, but that happens in Origins too.
One of Anders quests sees you walking in on a Templar threatening to rape a mage, do you think that biases you towards Templars?
Feynriel has the best ending if you set him free from the Templars, he saves a womans life and uses his powers for good. That seems to be biased towards mages. A templar biased ending would have Feynriel go crazy and kill a crowd of innocents.
Marethari is always controlled and helpful, she isnt some wild apostate. She even knowingly sacrifces herself, and does so in a manner that insures the demon is destroyed.

There are many, many instances that you can consider pro-mage, there are also some that are anti-mage. That is how it should be. Unless you think it should all be pro-mage, which is silly.

Meredith does not go bat crap crazy.  Her accusation was that blood mages were everywhere and she couldn't even trust Orsino who was supposed to be the straightman mage who rose above all of that stuff.  In case you never finished the game, guess what?  SHE IS RIGHT.  Not only is the mage who is supposed to represent all of that stability and mages deserve a chance a blood mage, but he was working with another blood mage that killed your mom.  

Next, Ser Alrik is alone is being the only templar in the game protrayed to be evil and even that is only implied that he was going to rape her.  He could have just been talking about tranquilizing her.  Compare that to the mages.  Did they just sit with implying anything about the evil mages?  Near every mage in the game is a selfish and/or evil scumbag and they didn't mind graphically showing you.  

Feynriel is the only mage in the game that can have a good ending (save mage Hawke that sides with Templars) and even his quest shows you a bias against mages.  Instead of the usually Fenris style blunt object over the head "mages are bad tantrum" you get the subtle Aveline "mages are bad" because even if they are good, they are always a clear and present danger and this close to going bat crap insane killing everyone.

Marethari is an idiot.  Merrill was going to mountain with expert demonslayer Hawke, and rather than let Hawke handle the demon and any possession, the moron brings the demon into the world for no reason.  She had a completely pointless sacrifice.  Maybe Hawke wouldn't prevent Merrill from being possessed but chances are Hawke would.  And either way, Hawke could prevent anything worse from happening much faster than the stupidity she did.  She put the entire clan, and more, in danger for absolutely no reason.  

Let's add in Legacy where mages are once again shown to be dangerous thralls at best and should never be trusted or given any freedom.

Then lets top it off with if you go against all the anti-mage sentiment and side with the Mages at the end, you lose everything and have to flee as the most wanted person in all of Thedas as compared to siding with the Templars where you get to be Viscount of Kirkwall.  If that isn't the biggest eff you for not picking what we wanted you to, I don't know what is.

[Melca36]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Atheism is a fabrication fo weak minds.

And Religion is the root of most problems. <_<

[Sylvius the Mad]

jmadsen wrote...
 
http://tvtropes.org/...eIIIInquisition

Is this info legit?

1. TV Tropes is the Charybdis of the internet.

2. Read the page history.  Even the people who wrote that aren't convinced it's true.

[DeathScepter]

Melca36 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Atheism is a fabrication fo weak minds.

And Religion is the root of most problems. <_<

Religion is not the root of most problems.  Bad people and fanatics will take any excuse to further their actions including Religion, politics, money or others.

[Sylvius the Mad]

DeathScepter wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Atheism is a fabrication fo weak minds.

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Just FYI - as much as I would love to engage Lotion on this issue, this topic isn't permitted on BSN.  Lets not get ourselves banned today.

[DeathScepter]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

DeathScepter wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Atheism is a fabrication fo weak minds.

-snip-

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Just FYI - as much as I would love to engage Lotion on this issue, this topic isn't permitted on BSN.  Lets not get ourselves banned today.

true and true

[David Gaider]

jmadsen wrote...
http://tvtropes.org/...eIIIInquisition

Is this info legit?

The first point on not playing Hawke/Warden is correct. Everything else is either speculation or out of context.