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[ElSuperGecko]

Reasoning?

Destroy:

The people who picked Destroy have done so based on three full games of empirical evidence that the Reapers need to be stopped, at all costs.  They have not lost sight of the fact that through these three games, the Reapers have always been the main antagonist, that the Reapers have wiped out countless galactic civilisations, have never shown any remorse or regret, and that every and all attempt to bargain, negotiate, work with or reason with them has been doomed to failure.  Above all, they have not lost sight of the fact that the Reapers have always attempted to manipulate organic races into working against their own kind, bringing about their own eventual demise.

Control:

The people who picked Control have done so after three full games of theorizing that it might be possible to manipulate the Reapers, to harness their technology, to ultimately stop them from harvesting the galaxy by working with them.  Theories that have spawned from Saren, from the Illusive Man, from various scientists and researchers.  These past attempts have been doomed to failure in each and every case, but the research has been done, the attempts have been made and the possibility may well be there.

Synthesis:

The people who picked Synthesis have done so after being introduced to the idea by the being that created the Reapers (and the entire cycle of extinction, and the horror the galaxy is currently facing) in the first place, and given less than a minute of sketchy dialogue and vague reassurances about the process in the last couple of minutes of the final game of the series.  There is no foreshadowing of this option, no empirical in-game evidence to draw from when you make the decision.  You are doing nothing more than taking a leap of faith, based on nothing more than the word of your greatest enemy (a being whose flawed logic lead it to think nothing of exterminating it's own creators), with the future of every living being in the galaxy riding on the outcome.

Modifié par ElSuperGecko, 24 septembre 2012 - 01:16 .

[Taboo]

Good man. Good man.

[Dubozz]

I support Miranda Lawson

Dubozz wrote...

Modifié par Dubozz, 24 septembre 2012 - 01:18 .

[Vigilant111]

Good times, I wish I could go back to a few months ago where the options were not fully explored and plot holes not filled with fanati-fic reasonings

It is too complicated now, or is it?

[mumba]

Did you just figure this out?

[Enhanced]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Synthesis:

The people who picked Synthesis have done so after being introduced to the idea by the being that created the Reapers (and the entire cycle of extinction, and the horror the galaxy is currently facing) in the first place, and given less than a minute of sketchy dialogue and vague reassurances about the process in the last couple of minutes of the final game of the series.  There is no foreshadowing of this option, no empirical in-game evidence to draw from when you make the decision.  You are doing nothing more than taking a leap of faith, based on nothing more than the word of your greatest enemy (a being whose flawed logic lead it to think nothing of exterminating it's own creators), with the future of every living being in the galaxy riding on the outcome.

If this is your reasoning of why you are against Synthesis, you do know that you are also" taking a leap of faith" with the other two options as well? If you can't trust what he says about Synthesis, why can you for Destroy and Control?

Modifié par Enhanced, 24 septembre 2012 - 01:26 .

[Ezlo86]

CHOCOLATE MOUSSE RECIPE

Ingredients
For the chocolate mousse

• 170g/6oz good-quality dark chocolate, roughly chopped
• 7  egg whites
• ¼ tsp lemon juice
• 40g/1½oz caster sugar

Preparation method

Melt the chocolate in a heatproof bowl set over a
pan of simmering water (do not allow the base of the bowl to touch the
water). Whisk the egg whites and lemon juice in a large,
clean bowl until they form soft peaks. The lemon juice will stabilise
the egg whites, make them easier to work with and help to prevent
over-whisking.

Add the sugar and continue to whisk until firm
peaks form when the whisk is removed. Do not whisk beyond this stage -
the egg whites will start to collapse and separate into dry froth and
runny liquid, and you'll lose all the air that you've whisked in.

When the chocolate has melted, remove the bowl from
the heat. Whisk one-third of the egg whites into the hot chocolate
quickly and vigorously, until thick and well combined - if you add the
egg whites in too slowly, their cold temperature can make the hot
chocolate seize, solidify and result in a lumpy mousse.

Fold the remaining egg whites into the chocolate
mixture, using a spatula, until all of the egg white has been completely
incorporated into the chocolate. Don't overmix at this stage as you'll
knock out the air bubbles and the mousse will be dense.

Spoon the mousse mixture into four glasses. Chill in the fridge for 2-3 hours, or until set.

[Ezlo86]

Might as well make this thread useful to someone.

[Sheridan31]

We have the starchild that believes that organics must be harvested and controled to serve the logic of his creator (leviathan) who had a bad childhood in which synthethis always destroy organics.

Now we have no choice to make their problem your probleme, despite you never had the experience of synthetics (Geth, EDI) are a bigger problem then other organics (Krogen) AND the reaper themselve who are only a solution to EDI wanting to kill us all in our sleep.

As a result you the fighter for freedome and free choice must become a dictator to determin the faith of the entire galaxy by:

Becoming a reaper
destroy the reaper and a lot of other stuff
or enforce a fusion of organics and synthetics

without asking the galaxy.

Destroy is the ultimate refusal of dealing with the starchilds/leviathans problem, which is not ours.

If someone wants synthesis we can do it later... in fact EDI and Joker are the first who try...

[SpamBot2000]

This > Destroy > Control > Synthesis, to be more exact.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 24 septembre 2012 - 01:33 .

[AxStapleton]

Enhanced wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Synthesis:

The people who picked Synthesis have done so after being introduced to the idea by the being that created the Reapers (and the entire cycle of extinction, and the horror the galaxy is currently facing) in the first place, and given less than a minute of sketchy dialogue and vague reassurances about the process in the last couple of minutes of the final game of the series.  There is no foreshadowing of this option, no empirical in-game evidence to draw from when you make the decision.  You are doing nothing more than taking a leap of faith, based on nothing more than the word of your greatest enemy (a being whose flawed logic lead it to think nothing of exterminating it's own creators), with the future of every living being in the galaxy riding on the outcome.

If this is your reasoning of why you are against Synthesis, you do know that you are also" taking a leap of faith" with the other two options as well? If you can't trust what he says about Synthesis, why can you for Destroy and Control?

My only problem with it is that you are forcing it on everyone. Even Species that don't have  the foggiest idea about what an organic or a synthetic is. If it's enevitable, then let it run its course.

Modifié par AxStapleton, 24 septembre 2012 - 01:35 .

[ElSuperGecko]

Enhanced wrote...
If this is your reasoning of why you are against Synthesis, you do know that you are also" taking a leap of faith" with the other two options as well? If you can't trust what he says about Synthesis, why can you for Destroy and Control?

Of course.  However, as I mentioned above - Destroy and Control have both been advocated across ALL THREE GAMES, by allies, by squadmates, by NPCs... there is plenty of information there for you to base a rational decision on.

Synthesis has no support at all.  Not from anyone in the game, anyway.  Other than a mass-murdering insane AI, of course.  Hey, if you want to wager the lives and fate of every living being in the galaxy on 30 seconds of "just trust me" from the being that admitted to creating the Reapers in the first place, that's entirely up to you.

Modifié par ElSuperGecko, 24 septembre 2012 - 01:38 .

[ElSuperGecko]

Ezlo86 wrote...
CHOCOLATE MOUSSE RECIPE

I find your comment to be annoyingly off-topic.

Try this instead:

COOKING FOR HUMANS - HANAR VERSION:


This one puts four tablespoons of processed bleached wheatgrain powder and a pinch of sodium chloride in a bowl.

This one beats two avian ovums together with half a pint of fresh bovine lactation, then adds slowly to the bowl, whisking all the time until it is perfectly blended and smooth.

This one then liquifies some congealed bovine lactation in a shallow frying pan over a high thermal setting.

This one add the wheatgrain/ovum/lactation mixture to the pan, allowing it to flow around the base of the pan until it is completely covered.

Once the mixture solidifies and caramelises, this one indulges in a quaint aerodynamic gesture which reverses the position of the mixture and allows the other side to caramelise thoroughly. This technique may lead to spillage and mild epidermal burning if due care and attention is not observed.

This one slides the cooked mixture onto a plate, tops with artificially preserved citrus extract and crystalised sucrose, and bids you consume with gaiety and enjoyment.

Next week, this one will prepare and carbonise decomposing bovine flesh to satisfactory human culinary standards.

warning - recipes not suitable for Dextro-based lifeforms

Modifié par ElSuperGecko, 24 septembre 2012 - 01:39 .

[Vigilant111]

Enhanced wrote...

If this is your reasoning of why you are against Synthesis, you do know that you are also" taking a leap of faith" with the other two options as well? If you can't trust what he says about Synthesis, why can you for Destroy and Control?

I took a leap of faith in people, not in the Catalyst, there is a difference

[Skullheart]

The old game over screens are still better than the ME3 endings.

And destroy isn't the best ending, it's just not the worst.

[kicsimalac]

Hey!

What if I told you that the catalyst could simply let you die and never send you an elevator? So if it wanted you dead, it could have done that by simply doing nothing. By saving you he showed that he WANTED you to do something. There are 2 possibilites left:

1.All options are fake
2.None of them are fake

You can choose your headcannon

Modifié par kicsimalac, 24 septembre 2012 - 01:45 .

[ElSuperGecko]

kicsimalac wrote...
Hey!

What if I told you that the catalyst could simply let you die and never send you an elevator? So if it wanted you dead, it could have done that by simply doing nothing. By saving you he showed that he WANTED you to do something. There are 2 possibilites left:

1.All options are fake
2.None of them are fake

You can choose your headcannon

Who said Synthesis is fake?

I'm just saying that if you choose Synthesis, all you're doing is taking the faulty logic of a mass-murdering AI at it's word.

It's the Catalyst that presents you with the "perfect solution" of Synthesis.  It's not an idea that Shepard, or Liara, or Hackett, or Mordin, or EDI, or any one of your allies came up with....

The Catalyst gives you less than a minute of "I won't go into the details, but trust me, it'll work" schtick...

And of course, the Catalyst's previous "perfect solution" was to wipe out all advanced organic life - including it's own creators - at regular intervals, to end a problem that only exists within it's own faulty logic...

Now, Synthesis may very well be a real option, but honestly, are you going to base your entire reason for choosing it on that?

[Big I]

There is no "best" ending. All the endings work to end the war and stop the Reapers but with each having different trade-offs. The only meaningful discussion to be had is in which trade-offs are worse.


Pointing out that Synthesis requires a massive leap of faith, or that Control hasn't been proven to work means nothing. That may very well be the case prior to Shepard's choice but is irrelevant afterwards. Whatever Shepard does works. Shepard only "loses" by choosing refuse and watching everyone die.


I personally support Control because there's no collateral damage, no imposition of body alteration and Shepard lives on as an immortal AI with a Reaper army.

[Enhanced]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Enhanced wrote...
If this is your reasoning of why you are against Synthesis, you do know that you are also" taking a leap of faith" with the other two options as well? If you can't trust what he says about Synthesis, why can you for Destroy and Control?

Of course.  However, as I mentioned above - Destroy and Control have both been advocated across ALL THREE GAMES, by allies, by squadmates, by NPCs... there is plenty of information there for you to base a rational decision on.

Synthesis has no support at all.  Not from anyone in the game, anyway.  Other than a mass-murdering insane AI, of course.  Hey, if you want to wager the lives and fate of every living being in the galaxy on 30 seconds of "just trust me" from the being that admitted to creating the Reapers in the first place, that's entirely up to you.

Actually, I think the Synthesis option has the most support. The Reapers themselves are a form of synthesis. All of the Reapers and their units are created by combining organics and synthetics to create new creatures.

Modifié par Enhanced, 24 septembre 2012 - 02:16 .

[LilLino]

I agree with the OP. Synthesis is not foreshadowed and plain weird. Although I understand the concept I cannot make such decision for everyone.
What is worse that I have to die so the damn Starkid finishes his job. Really Bioware?

When I finished Deux Ex Human Revolution and picked self-destruct ending, the Adam Jensen' speech fits Destroy so well 80% could have been copy-pasted it into ME3 (They rip-off Deus Ex anyway).

I choose it so everyone who survives can live free, without Shepard's or Reapers influence.

I've always liked this game because it has shown that a man can inspire and win despite all odds. It's not reflected in neither Control nor Synthesis.
In control Shepard openly states 'he knew he could only achieve this by becoming something greater', while Synthesis agrees that organic life is flawed in it's very essence and needs to be changed.

[Enhanced]

Vigilant111 wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

If this is your reasoning of why you are against Synthesis, you do know that you are also" taking a leap of faith" with the other two options as well? If you can't trust what he says about Synthesis, why can you for Destroy and Control?

I took a leap of faith in people, not in the Catalyst, there is a difference

If you choose anything but refuse, you are trusting the Catalyst.

[ElSuperGecko]

LookingGlass93 wrote...
Pointing out that Synthesis requires a massive leap of faith, or that Control hasn't been proven to work means nothing. That may very well be the case prior to Shepard's choice but is irrelevant afterwards. Whatever Shepard does works. Shepard only "loses" by choosing refuse and watching everyone die.

That's some seriously flawed logic, right there.  Because we're TALKING about the situation prior to Shepard's choice.  We're TALKING about the factors that should influence the player (and Shepard's) decision.

That's the entire point - you cannot base your final decision on what happens afterwards, because that would imply that Shepard is clairvoyant and knows the future.  Which Shepard does not.  All Shepard can do is make a decision based on the evidence and knowledge about the Reapers obtained through the course of the trilogy.

And in that case, then Destroy > Control > Synthesis, for the reasons outlined about.  The reasons for choosing Destroy massively outweigh the reasons for choosing Control, which in turn massively outweigh the (barelt existant) reasons for choosing Synthesis.

[D24O]

k

[ElSuperGecko]

Enhanced wrote...
Actually, I think the Synthesis option has the most support. The Reapers themselves are a form of synthesis. All of the Reapers and their units are created by combining organics and synthetics to create new creatures.

...and what does that tell you?  Becoming like them is exactly what the combined races of the galaxy are fighting to prevent.  And yet suddenly they become a supporting argument for Synthesis?  So the Reapers, Husks and the like are potentially what we could become through Synthesis?

That's an amazing argument AGAINST Synthesis, I guess...

[Big I]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

LookingGlass93 wrote...
Pointing out that Synthesis requires a massive leap of faith, or that Control hasn't been proven to work means nothing. That may very well be the case prior to Shepard's choice but is irrelevant afterwards. Whatever Shepard does works. Shepard only "loses" by choosing refuse and watching everyone die.

That's some seriously flawed logic, right there.  Because we're TALKING about the situation prior to Shepard's choice.  We're TALKING about the factors that should influence the player (and Shepard's) decision.

There are two factors affecting my reasoning in the end choice; my knowledge as a player outside of the game and Shepard's knowledge as a character in the game.


As a player I know I'm going to win. Whatever I pick will defeat the Reapers, just like I knew that I would win ME2 whatever I decided to do about the Collector base, and just like I knew I'd win ME1 regardless of what happens to the Council. I'm deciding based on what I think the aftermath will be, not on whether the Catalyst is telling the truth about the aftermath.


As a character the scene doesn't work. At all. An immortal synthetic that for some reason looks like a dead child tells me how to a) destory him and everything he's built, take control of his empire, or c) finish what he could never get to work. The person ultimately responsible for trying to kill you and the human race is letting you decide his future. If you're willing to make that leap of faith, making the subsequent one of accepting what he says at face value is much easier, and based on that leads to Shepard accepting that whatever is done will end the Reaper threat.