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[Xilizhra]

Bill Casey wrote...

Preservation of life at any cost is a never ending goal...

Undoubtedly. Why should we stop bothering with it just because of that?

[dreman9999]

FOX216BC wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

FOX216BC wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

PPF65 wrote...

Their all bad.

Shepard dies no matter what you do, and the galaxy ends up in a terrible state, with most of the important people in the galaxy all stuck in our solar system and all of the Mass RElays broken.

Seems like a loss to me.

Destroy is just the best way to stick it to that little f**k the "star child," or whatever we're calling him these days.

..."and the galaxy ends up in a terrible state ":mellow:....
Destory has all organic life alive and rebuilding the galexy with hope in the future.
Control has organic and synthetic life rebuilding the  galexy with hope in the future.
And Synthesis has upgraded 
organic and synthetic life rebuilding the  galexy with hope in the future. 

Which ending had the galexy in a terrible state? Added the mass relays are rebuild in all of those endings.

High ems destory has Shepard live, and Shepard living at the end is not his /her goal, It's stopping the reapers.

Having Shep die in the end does not mean it's a bad ending.

High ems destory has Shepard live, and Shepard living at the end is not his /her goal, It's stopping the reapers.
Well neither is controlling the Reapers or changing the galaxies dna.


All i read is "hope" no guarantee the Reapers won't become a threat again.

Destroy is no guarantee for peace, but at least the Reapers are gone.

Controling the reapers is a way to stop the reapers. Remeber, are goal is tostop them, how is not stated. Controling them is as good as destroying them.

Well if Shepard can do it, there is no way we can be sure no one else will in the future.
And perhaps this on character doesn't have peaceful intentions.

True, but that does not invalidate the choice. The samething can happen agein like  the reaper in the after effects of the destory choice as well.

[Justin2k]

Switching off the console after final chat with Anderson > Destroy > Control > Synthesis.

[Bill Casey]

That's not Shepard at the end...
It's an AI imprint that wants to police the galaxy "for the many"...

The Shepard VI sounds more like the real Shepard does, and it can predict what the real Commander Shepard would say with seven percent accuracy...

[dreman9999]

AlanC9 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...
Here's a question.  There's a rabid dog in your street.  It's already savagely mauled a dozen of your neighbours, several of whom are in a critical condition.  Do you

a:  Shoot it.
b:  Lock it in your yard.
c:  Take it into your home and care for it.

....answers on a postcard, to the usual address please!

Does locking the dog in my yard still help me rebuild the neighborhood?

Also, another neighbor's in my line of fire when shooting the dog. GuessI'm using a machine-gun, or maybe grenades.

That does not defer his point. The catalyst is a mad dog. Why should you hold back to stop it?

Because the other methods of dealing with the problem lead to better outcomes. That's why the dog is a lousy metaphor. Unless you're trying to confuse the issue, in which case it's a great metaphor.

The out come that happen with control and destory are equal. There equal because they are both temporay solutions. Ether choice can have something simular to the reaper come up again.

[Xilizhra]

Bill Casey wrote...

That's not Shepard at the end...
It's an AI imprint that wants to police the galaxy "for the many"...

The Shepard VI sounds more like the real Shepard does, and it can predict what the real Commander Shepard would say with seven percent accuracy...

Best we can do. Are you willing to kill billions out of a fear that something might go wrong with this AI?

[dreman9999]

Bill Casey wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Controling the reapers is a way to stop the reapers. Remeber, are goal is tostop them, how is not stated. Controling them is as good as destroying them.

That's blatantly not true...
The whole reason we're at odds with Cerberus is they want to control the reapers and we want to destroy the reapers. Our goals are too disparate...

This is a conflict that seems to spring up every cycle. The last cycle there was a splinter group that argued we should control the reapers rather than destroy them, and later it was found out they were indoctrinated...

The entire conflict with cerberus is that they want to impose their beliefs on us by attacking us, not because we dissagree. Remeber, we are only fighting cerberus becasue they are agressively attacking us.

We don't agree because of the lack of info and risk control of conroling the reapers.

[dreman9999]

Bill Casey wrote...

Preservation of life at any cost is a never ending goal...

It's a machine doing what it's programed to do. Machines with blindly do what they are programed to do till told other wise.

[megamacka]

Ezlo86 wrote...


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Ingredients
For the chocolate mousse

• 170g/6oz good-quality dark chocolate, roughly chopped
• 7  egg whites
• ¼ tsp lemon juice
• 40g/1½oz caster sugar

Preparation method

Melt the chocolate in a heatproof bowl set over a
pan of simmering water (do not allow the base of the bowl to touch the
water). Whisk the egg whites and lemon juice in a large,
clean bowl until they form soft peaks. The lemon juice will stabilise
the egg whites, make them easier to work with and help to prevent
over-whisking.

Add the sugar and continue to whisk until firm
peaks form when the whisk is removed. Do not whisk beyond this stage -
the egg whites will start to collapse and separate into dry froth and
runny liquid, and you'll lose all the air that you've whisked in.

When the chocolate has melted, remove the bowl from
the heat. Whisk one-third of the egg whites into the hot chocolate
quickly and vigorously, until thick and well combined - if you add the
egg whites in too slowly, their cold temperature can make the hot
chocolate seize, solidify and result in a lumpy mousse.

Fold the remaining egg whites into the chocolate
mixture, using a spatula, until all of the egg white has been completely
incorporated into the chocolate. Don't overmix at this stage as you'll
knock out the air bubbles and the mousse will be dense.

Spoon the mousse mixture into four glasses. Chill in the fridge for 2-3 hours, or until set.

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[dreman9999]

Bill Casey wrote...

That's not Shepard at the end...
It's an AI imprint that wants to police the galaxy "for the many"...

The Shepard VI sounds more like the real Shepard does, and it can predict what the real Commander Shepard would say with seven percent accuracy...

An imprint is still Shepard. It's like having a copy of a person down to there memories.

Added, what makes a person is there memory and experiances. If that is lost the person is still considered dead and a new person.

It the AI has all of Shepard memories and experiances, that would mean it's Shepard in a new form.

Modifié par dreman9999, 27 septembre 2012 - 05:26 .

[ElSuperGecko]

AlanC9 wrote...
Does locking the dog in my yard still help me rebuild the neighborhood?

Maybe.  Or you may be too busy trying to control the dog to help.  And then there's always the question of what your wounded neighbours will think of you being able to re-release the dog any time you personally see fit... and whether the dog will end up biting and infecting you...

AlanC9 wrote...
Also, another neighbor's in my line of fire when shooting the dog. GuessI'm using a machine-gun, or maybe grenades.

Whenever you fire a weapon, there's a risk that you'll end up hurting someone/something other than the intended target.  By using a weapon in the first place, you'll have to live with the consequences.  Also, the dog's got your neighbour by the throat and is violently tearing into him.  You haven't got much time to think about this.  Do you take the shot?

[dreman9999]

megamacka wrote...

Ezlo86 wrote...


CHOCOLATE MOUSSE RECIPE

Ingredients
For the chocolate mousse

• 170g/6oz good-quality dark chocolate, roughly chopped
• 7  egg whites
• ¼ tsp lemon juice
• 40g/1½oz caster sugar

Preparation method

Melt the chocolate in a heatproof bowl set over a
pan of simmering water (do not allow the base of the bowl to touch the
water). Whisk the egg whites and lemon juice in a large,
clean bowl until they form soft peaks. The lemon juice will stabilise
the egg whites, make them easier to work with and help to prevent
over-whisking.

Add the sugar and continue to whisk until firm
peaks form when the whisk is removed. Do not whisk beyond this stage -
the egg whites will start to collapse and separate into dry froth and
runny liquid, and you'll lose all the air that you've whisked in.

When the chocolate has melted, remove the bowl from
the heat. Whisk one-third of the egg whites into the hot chocolate
quickly and vigorously, until thick and well combined - if you add the
egg whites in too slowly, their cold temperature can make the hot
chocolate seize, solidify and result in a lumpy mousse.

Fold the remaining egg whites into the chocolate
mixture, using a spatula, until all of the egg white has been completely
incorporated into the chocolate. Don't overmix at this stage as you'll
knock out the air bubbles and the mousse will be dense.

Spoon the mousse mixture into four glasses. Chill in the fridge for 2-3 hours, or until set.

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[Myrmedus]

Control for me.

While the Reapers have been the enemy throughout the series it's rarely if ever as simple as good vs evil - it's possible they're trying to manipulate us with what they tell us at the end or it could be they know more than we do, both are possibilities and it just depends on what you believe.

In my case I believe there's probably something to what is said about issues between synthetics and organics, which is why I personally choose Control since Destroy will just delay the inevitable - well, also the allure of being God-King-Emperor was too strong to resist!

[dreman9999]

Myrmedus wrote...

Control for me.

While the Reapers have been the enemy throughout the series it's rarely if ever as simple as good vs evil - it's possible they're trying to manipulate us with what they tell us at the end or it could be they know more than we do, both are possibilities and it just depends on what you believe.

In my case I believe there's probably something to what is said about issues between synthetics and organics, which is why I personally choose Control since Destroy will just delay the inevitable - well, also the allure of being God-King-Emperor was too strong to resist!

The ShEPARD PROTECTS.

[futurepixels]

I have always been a Destroy fan, but it's hard to imagine machines like the Reapers never being built again long after Shepard is gone. I'm sure we'd all like to think that the galaxy learned from the Reaper mistake, but that just isn't how history works. Organic life seems to make the same mistakes over and over again.

This is why my renegon femshep is starting to lean towards control at the end of her trilogy.

[Someone With Mass]

futurepixels wrote...

I have always been a Destroy fan, but it's hard to imagine machines like the Reapers never being built again long after Shepard is gone. I'm sure we'd all like to think that the galaxy learned from the Reaper mistake, but that just isn't how history works. Organic life seems to make the same mistakes over and over again.

This is why my renegon femshep is starting to lean towards control at the end of her trilogy.

But then you haven't really changed anything in Control, since the Renegade version of the AI pretty much rules the galaxy with an iron fist, destroying all who oppose it.

And really, how long does it take before an AI starts to deteriorate and repeat it all over again? None of the solutions are eternal. Change is inevitable. For the better or worse.

[Xilizhra]

Someone With Mass wrote...

futurepixels wrote...

I have always been a Destroy fan, but it's hard to imagine machines like the Reapers never being built again long after Shepard is gone. I'm sure we'd all like to think that the galaxy learned from the Reaper mistake, but that just isn't how history works. Organic life seems to make the same mistakes over and over again.

This is why my renegon femshep is starting to lean towards control at the end of her trilogy.

But then you haven't really changed anything in Control, since the Renegade version of the AI pretty much rules the galaxy with an iron fist, destroying all who oppose it.

And really, how long does it take before an AI starts to deteriorate and repeat it all over again? None of the solutions are eternal. Change is inevitable. For the better or worse.

Well, my AI is Paragon. And the AI "deteriorating" is far from inevitable; why would it definitely happen?

[zioninzion]

AlanC9 wrote...

zioninzion wrote...

What happens to the catalyst for each decision? If this psycho-brat who has no remorse of murdering species in the gabillions, what happens to him? Is he lingering in the background? Or does he go if the reapers are destroyed too?

In Destroy he's wiped out like any other AI. 

In Control he's overwritten by Shepard's memory and personality.

In Synthesis.... beats me. Maybe he shuts down since he's fulfilled his function?

Its all to sketchy for me. Why would something thats been in power for a billion and more years suddenly step aside and be willing to allow Shepard to take control and shape the future he wants. It makes no sense. This being has been willing to commit ultra mega genocide for a billion years and suddenly after Shepard manages to pop up into the catalyst, suddenly he is ready to hand over the reigns? I smell IT.

[Xilizhra]

The Catalyst doesn't think like organics do; it's entirely logic-based and possesses no ego. If it believes that Shepard can fulfill its role better than it can, it'll step aside without regret.

[zioninzion]

Xilizhra wrote...

The Catalyst doesn't think like organics do; it's entirely logic-based and possesses no ego. If it believes that Shepard can fulfill its role better than it can, it'll step aside without regret.

You might be entirely right but I wouldn't bet the universe on something I just meant and so far has a pretty bad record of genocide.

Also, if the catalyst is willing to step aside and allow Shepard to make everything kumbaya, why not just contact Shepard in the first place and let him take over? Why precede these events with mass genocide?

[Jamie9]

Modifié par Jamie9, 27 septembre 2012 - 07:46 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Someone With Mass wrote...

But then you haven't really changed anything in Control, since the Renegade version of the AI pretty much rules the galaxy with an iron fist, destroying all who oppose it.

And really, how long does it take before an AI starts to deteriorate and repeat it all over again? None of the solutions are eternal. Change is inevitable. For the better or worse.

I hold that same reservation myself, but that's actually exactly why I'd choose it. Over Destroy, anyway.

If I'm wary of the long-term consequences of controlling the Reapers, then the AI built around my personality will be too. Given that, I think it will relinquish its control after it has served its purpose, probably by just killing them all off. That purpose being, helping rebuild and bestowing the galaxy with Reaper knowledge, which is far more beneficial than Destroy.

It's a risk, but one I'm willing to make (if I had to pick only between red or blue).

[Xilizhra]

zioninzion wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The Catalyst doesn't think like organics do; it's entirely logic-based and possesses no ego. If it believes that Shepard can fulfill its role better than it can, it'll step aside without regret.

You might be entirely right but I wouldn't bet the universe on something I just meant and so far has a pretty bad record of genocide.

Also, if the catalyst is willing to step aside and allow Shepard to make everything kumbaya, why not just contact Shepard in the first place and let him take over? Why precede these events with mass genocide?

Actually, I kind of suspect that was the point of the kid; I don't know if he ever really existed, or if it was a vision from the Catalyst. But Shepard had to make it to the Catalyst physically for it to believe that change might be possible; no one else had ever come so far.

[jpraelster93]

Jamie9 wrote...
Destroy > Control > Synthesis > Refuse.

Fixed

[futurepixels]

Someone With Mass wrote...

futurepixels wrote...

I have always been a Destroy fan, but it's hard to imagine machines like the Reapers never being built again long after Shepard is gone. I'm sure we'd all like to think that the galaxy learned from the Reaper mistake, but that just isn't how history works. Organic life seems to make the same mistakes over and over again.

This is why my renegon femshep is starting to lean towards control at the end of her trilogy.

But then you haven't really changed anything in Control, since the Renegade version of the AI pretty much rules the galaxy with an iron fist, destroying all who oppose it.

And really, how long does it take before an AI starts to deteriorate and repeat it all over again? None of the solutions are eternal. Change is inevitable. For the better or worse.

The "Renegade version of the AI"?  The first part of your response doesn't make any sense.  The outcome is all speculation, but my Shepard isn't the  "Renegade version of the AI", it isn't black and white like that.  

The AI that rises to power if I chose Control is an AI Shepard with the morality I have given her/it.  I believe there is a greater chance for a positive future for the galaxy with my Shepard watching over it with ultimate power, as opposed to destroying the Reapers and leaving the galaxy as prey for the next iteration of Reapers that could potentially be created.

However, I agree that change is inevitable.