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[Dharvy]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Until the Leviathans enthrall everyone, the krogan conquer everyone, and that disregards all the ones you murdered.

OK, so you can't form a logical counter-argument so are resorting to pure speculation.  Well done, that man.  Plus, These threats can just as easily exist in Control and Synthesis, in the Leviathan's case, possibly even more so.  At least following the Destroy ending, the races of the galaxy are free to deal with future threats on their own terms.

I'm sorry if the facts upset your convoluted self-serving headcanon, but I spoke the truth:

Destroy:  Reapers dead, cycle of extinction over, gone, ended forever.  Job done.
Control:  Reapers active.  Threat remains.  Let's hope you can actually control them, despite being dead.
Synthesis:  Reapers active.  Threat remains.  Let's hope you and haven't just effectively husked everyone.

QED.

I don't understand, why do you have things definately better in Destroy but in Control and Synthesis you have to just hope things are better?

Could it not easily be:

Destroy: Reapers dead, cycle of extinction over, gone, ended forever. Job done.
Control: Reapers active but Controled. Threat contained. Galaxy recovers faster because of Reapers help. Job done.
Synthesis: Reaper active. Threat eliminated, because reason for threat is no longer an issue. Galaxy learns from past cycles and upgraded life and the Reapers help, galaxy recovers faster. Job done.

Or if you're going all ambiguous then:

Destroy:  Reapers dead, hopefully cycle of extinction over, gone, ended forever.  Hopefully no one activate dormant Reaper machines scattered throughout the galaxy. And/or hopefully the Catalyst was wrong and the threat that brought it forth don't materialize and put the galaxy in turmoil all over again.
Control:  Reapers active.  Threat remains.  Let's hope you can actually control them, despite being dead.
Synthesis:  Reapers active.  Threat remains.  Let's hope you and haven't just effectively husked everyone.

[Wayning_Star]

JBPBRC wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

well the control by ONE and only one person, even Shepard, probably isn't the hot tip for conventional democratic society. Shep couldn't allow ideals that were different from its ethos.

Ironically, didn't we kill Udina because he tried taking over the government and putting himself in charge of everything? He had noble intentions too, saving Earth.

wasn't he indoctrinated into serving some other purpose besides 'saving Earth'.  Udina fell victim to indoctrination,as that passion for protecting/advancing human interests(like TIM) made him vulnerable. Eventually his prorities were lost in the shuffle,as the indoctrination took hold. TIM was after his position on the citadel to further cerberus goals.

kind of a case where two idiots met..

What? Indoctrinated? How? When? By what Reaper technology?

I was under the impression that all he did was cut a deal with Cerberus, not that he was indoctrinated.

You know, you're correct. I just went and researched it. I assumed him to be indoctrinated because of the way TIM used the terminology "Hes ours", in other parts of the game. Udina acted like he was indoctrinated. Normally he wasn't that stupid, just testy. I Stand corrected tho. MY bad.

That makes for his destruction more eventual, as the other council members would NEVER trust again and would retaliate.

edit: come to think of it, I never really got into that one much, it seems bizarre for Udina to coup the citadel, that's what convinced me that he was indoctrinated. He was like a 'little TIM' to me in that regard.

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 28 septembre 2012 - 04:31 .

[Samtheman63]

pick destroy

[Wayning_Star]

JBPBRC wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

All of that is pure, indulgent speculation, not fact.

The FACTS are:

Destroy:  Reapers dead.
Control:  Reapers alive.
Synthesis:  Reapers alive.

Ergo, Destroy ends the Reaper threat totally completely.  Control and Synthesis do not.  QED.

Sure. But Destroy opens up opportunities for non-Reaper threats that don't exist in Control and Synthesis.

Actually, the possibility of non-Reaper threats exists in all endings. For all Shepard knows, an extragalactic armada of super organics (such as Species 8472 or the Yuuzhan Vong, as examples) is on the warpath to our galaxy and not even the Reapers will stand a chance against them. These choices really only impact the Reaper conflict.

synthesis seems to alleviate the threats posed by unruly species, as they've become in part technological. So their rowdy behavior would/could be addressed via a more open communication by all vested parties. It's really unknown though,as to the secrecy races could impose on other races and vice versa, but the need for it may be lessened by cross compatibility. Thoretically. We are forced to rely on the rules of evolutionary advance and what that entails or doesn't...

Actually, no. If they're extragalactic they're not half-organic half-synthetic since they are out of the range of the Crucible blast. Any threats posed by extragalactic species will have to be dealt with the old-fashioned way. Conventionally, or with DEM.

Oh, I see what you're getting at there, but we cannot but consider what is what within the MEU, to go outside that framework only complicates without knowing the intentions of those 'extra galactic' hypothetical threats. I've heard the arguement for that as with synthesis is that the MEU may be more prepared for them if technologcal sentience, in of it's self being an ally as opposed to just another cause for strife. If we're busy fighting with reapers/catalyst programs, those races, if aggressive would be better set to round up for invasion, if they can/could dodge reaper ships.

Seems as if they'd be better off 'helping' take out reapers as opposed to fighting with lessor races in any conventional battles?

note: the comment for everyone being 'half'n half' syntho organic, is a misrepresentation of synthesis. It's not necessary for the process to go that far. Only a small change in core structure would be needed to accomplish the intended purpose of intigration.

[JBPBRC]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Oh, I see what you're getting at there, but we cannot but consider what is what within the MEU, to go outside that framework only complicates without knowing the intentions of those 'extra galactic' hypothetical threats.

Right. Like I said, the three choices can only apply to the Reaper conflict and can't account for anything beyond said conflict. Regardless of choice, the possibility of a threat will always exist, either from within or without the galaxy.

I've heard the arguement for that as with synthesis is that the MEU may be more prepared for them if technologcal sentience, in of it's self being an ally as opposed to just another cause for strife. If we're busy fighting with reapers/catalyst programs, those races, if aggressive would be better set to round up for invasion, if they can/could dodge reaper ships.

Seems as if they'd be better off 'helping' take out reapers as opposed to fighting with lessor races in any conventional battles?

Possibly. Its just as possible that the invaders are a bunch of Daleks who don't give a damn other than everything else isn't a Dalek and must be EX-TERM-IN-ATED. As stated previously, there's no way any of the three choices could take that into account, since they're all knee-jerk reactions to ending the Reaper threat.

note: the comment for everyone being 'half'n half' syntho organic, is a misrepresentation of synthesis. It's not necessary for the process to go that far. Only a small change in core structure would be needed to accomplish the intended purpose of intigration.

Half and half, 25-75, whatever the ratio is, there is a merging happening (well, with organics anyway), which was my point.

Modifié par JBPBRC, 28 septembre 2012 - 04:42 .

[AllegedVixEo]

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[Wayning_Star]

JBPBRC wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Oh, I see what you're getting at there, but we cannot but consider what is what within the MEU, to go outside that framework only complicates without knowing the intentions of those 'extra galactic' hypothetical threats.

Right. Like I said, the three choices can only apply to the Reaper conflict and can't account for anything beyond said conflict. Regardless of choice, the possibility of a threat will always exist, either from within or without the galaxy.

I've heard the arguement for that as with synthesis is that the MEU may be more prepared for them if technologcal sentience, in of it's self being an ally as opposed to just another cause for strife. If we're busy fighting with reapers/catalyst programs, those races, if aggressive would be better set to round up for invasion, if they can/could dodge reaper ships.

Seems as if they'd be better off 'helping' take out reapers as opposed to fighting with lessor races in any conventional battles?

Possibly. Its just as possible that the invaders are a bunch of Daleks who don't give a damn other than everything else isn't a Dalek and must be EX-TERM-IN-ATED. As stated previously, there's no way any of the three choices could take that into account, since they're all knee-jerk reactions to ending the Reaper threat.

note: the comment for everyone being 'half'n half' syntho organic, is a misrepresentation of synthesis. It's not necessary for the process to go that far. Only a small change in core structure would be needed to accomplish the intended purpose of intigration.

Half and half, 25-75, whatever the ratio is, there is a merging happening (well, with organics anyway), which was my point.

ex term in ated?!? lol that 's funny. Well, I'd say 'knee jerk' is a bit much, but more tongue in cheek,as it were.


if were into destroy, that word needs little commitment to explain..pretty straight forward. But, the contain/end the reaper threat, is a more involved operation, to say the least. All concerned/considered knee jerks notwithstanding, its a lot hard to do than out right destroy,eventhough that option tends to leave gaps in the logic of destroy. As reaper tech is the culprit and organics urge to advance with less effort, opportunism in evolution and/or survival is a given organic trait(say human .

So that is the actual reaper threat, using/snarking up leftover tech to speed evolutionary traits. Synthesis is just a more speedier process, in that it's over  a few years as opposed to centuries, our adoption/adaptation to technology as our canon device for evolutionary advance.

[zioninzion]

Enhanced wrote...

zioninzion wrote...

Why is it such a far fetched idea that the star-brat is lying about control and synthesis. If someone wants to think all the IT points going back through the game are desperate attempts, then thats fine (altho I disagree). But why is it so hard to accept the idea that the star-brat is lying. He isnt Alec Trebec asking which category you want and for how much. He is a genocidal maniac with some theory that is full of holes.

It's far fetched because the writing and script suggests that he's telling truth. The content in 2 DLCs even support what the Catalyst tells Shepard. If you still don't believe him, you can choose Refuse.

 With that said, I don't think you can assume that he's lying about Control and Synthesis, but he's conviently completely truthful about Destroy. If he's lying, he'd would most likely lie about Destroy. Unless the Crucible somehow makes him tell Shepard about every option, why would he even bring it up?

I think he is lying about Destroy too. He says Shepard will die (which he doesnt with a high enough EMS) and I think its possible - possible not necessarily probable - that the Geth are still around too.

You could be right. I need to play the series again. Im in the Middle East playing with a US network with a Europe ME3 so I had to reorder the US version of the game so I can do the DLC etc.