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[Ithurael]

Ezlo86 wrote...


CHOCOLATE MOUSSE RECIPE

Ingredients
For the chocolate mousse

• 170g/6oz good-quality dark chocolate, roughly chopped
• 7  egg whites
• ¼ tsp lemon juice
• 40g/1½oz caster sugar

Preparation method

Melt the chocolate in a heatproof bowl set over a
pan of simmering water (do not allow the base of the bowl to touch the
water). Whisk the egg whites and lemon juice in a large,
clean bowl until they form soft peaks. The lemon juice will stabilise
the egg whites, make them easier to work with and help to prevent
over-whisking.

Add the sugar and continue to whisk until firm
peaks form when the whisk is removed. Do not whisk beyond this stage -
the egg whites will start to collapse and separate into dry froth and
runny liquid, and you'll lose all the air that you've whisked in.

When the chocolate has melted, remove the bowl from
the heat. Whisk one-third of the egg whites into the hot chocolate
quickly and vigorously, until thick and well combined - if you add the
egg whites in too slowly, their cold temperature can make the hot
chocolate seize, solidify and result in a lumpy mousse.

Fold the remaining egg whites into the chocolate
mixture, using a spatula, until all of the egg white has been completely
incorporated into the chocolate. Don't overmix at this stage as you'll
knock out the air bubbles and the mousse will be dense.

Spoon the mousse mixture into four glasses. Chill in the fridge for 2-3 hours, or until set.

But Will it blend though?

Modifié par Ithurael, 24 septembre 2012 - 02:57 .

[Enhanced]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Enhanced wrote...
Actually, I think the Synthesis option has the most support. The Reapers themselves are a form of synthesis. All of the Reapers and their units are created by combining organics and synthetics to create new creatures.

...and what does that tell you?  Becoming like them is exactly what the combined races of the galaxy are fighting to prevent.  And yet suddenly they become a supporting argument for Synthesis?  So the Reapers, Husks and the like are potentially what we could become through Synthesis?

That's an amazing argument AGAINST Synthesis, I guess...

Yes, it is. That's why I initially chose Control, but, after seeing the ending epilogue for Synthesis, it doesn't seem bad at all to me. Except for Shepard, everyone lives on. There's now everlasting peace throughout the galaxy. You can't say the same for Control or Destroy.

Modifié par Enhanced, 24 septembre 2012 - 03:27 .

[ElSuperGecko]

Enhanced wrote...
Yes, it is. That's why I initially chose Control, but, after seeing the ending epilogue for Synthesis, it doesn't seem bad at all to me. Except for Shepard, everyone lives on and there's now everlasting peace throughout the galaxy. You can't say the same for Control or Destroy.

You can't however base Shepard's decision for choosing Synthesis on what happens AFTER Shepard makes the decision.  At the point of making the decision on the Crucible, Shepard doesn't have the faintest idea what will happen with Synthesis.  It could lead to the Utopia you describe, it could well be husking the entire galaxy as you previously thought.  Shepard only has the Catalyst's words and assurances - all 30 seconds of them - to go on.

And the "everlasting peace" is a player interpretation, not an actual fact.  There's very little difference in the post-Destroy and post-Synthesis slides - Synthesis has a few Reapers walking around, everyone has glowing green eyes and circuitry, that's about it.

And if we're going to go into player interpretation and not actual facts, then think on this:  If Synthesis leaves everybody with their original personalities, their original beliefs and free will, then future conflict is an inevitability regardless of what modifications Synthesis makes.  And if conflict is an inevitability, then which species are in pole position to establish dominance?  The Reapers.

If Synthesis doesn't leave everybody with their original personalities, their original beliefs and free will, then we may well have "everlasting peace", but everyone will essentially be mindless, emotionless drones.

Which one of those scenarios most fits the Reapers' established modus operandi?

[fr33stylez]

It's not even the ridiculous leap of faith that makes Synthesis the most absurd to me. It's that it forces you to commit an action which have nothing to do with the central plot of the trilogy.

The problem in the ME trilogy was the Reapers, who indoctrinate, huskify people, process families, destroy civilizations over the past 1 billion years. It really doesn't matter what the Catalyst was trying to 'solve' at this point, and I'm not sure why what the Catalyst rambles about in the last 5 miniutes would have an effect on anyone's final choice.

Synthesis attempts to solve the Catalyst's Problem, not Shepard's and the galaxy's problem (The Reapers). There's no reason why I have to turn every living being into a half-organic and half-synthetic in order convince the Catalyst to stop attacking us (YES, the Catalyst is actively controlling the Reapers, see what happens when Shepard takes over the reigns in 'Control').

As a player, as Shepard, I could give a crap whatever the Star Child was trying to solve. The best solution it came up with in a billion years was processing ever sentient organic in the galaxy into goo every 50K years. I have no interest in solving the Catalyst's Problem - I played ME to end the Reaper Problem. I resent the fact the writers tried to distract us from the central problem with this Catalyst mumbo jumbo in the last 5 minutes of the trilogy.

Modifié par fr33stylez, 24 septembre 2012 - 03:33 .

[Red Dust]

Control > Destroy > Refuse > IT theory > Synthesis.

[LilLino]

fr33stylez wrote...

It's not even the ridiculous leap of faith that makes Synthesis the most absurd to me. It's that it forces you to commit an action which have nothing to do with the central plot of the trilogy.

The problem in the ME trilogy was the Reapers, who indoctrinate, huskify people, process families, destroy civilizations over the past 1 billion years. It really doesn't matter what the Catalyst was trying to 'solve' at this point, and I'm not sure why what the Catalyst rambles about in the last 5 miniutes would have an effect on anyone's final choice.

Synthesis attempts to solve the Catalyst's Problem, not Shepard's and the galaxy's problem (The Reapers). There's no reason why I have to turn every living being into a half-organic and half-synthetic in order convince the Catalyst to stop attacking us (YES, the Catalyst is actively controlling the Reapers, see what happens when Shepard takes over the reigns in 'Control').

As a player, as Shepard, I could give a crap whatever the Star Child was trying to solve. The best solution it came up with in a billion years was processing ever sentient organic in the galaxy into goo every 50K years. I have no interest in solving the Catalyst's Problem - I played ME to end the Reaper Problem. I resent the fact the writers tried to distract us from the central problem with this Catalyst mumbo jumbo in the last 5 minutes of the trilogy.

This. It makes no sense for character who fought Catalyst throughout entire trilogy to complete the kid's mission by killing himself in the very end. I mean what the HELL? 
I hate that, it's dumb and it's so very inhuman I can't believe Bioware loves it.

Destroy is the only pro-organic/human ending and no I dont' care that damn Geth die. Bioware screwed that up too by stating that only way for synthetics to have  true feelings and be real is to synthesise them with organics anyway. Super-intelligent or not.

[MegaSovereign]

I like both the Destroy and Control endings because the two themes have always been conflicting with each other throughout the series.

[Samtheman63]

destroy > refuse > control = synthesis

[ATiBotka]

Synthesis > Destroy > Control.

[Enhanced]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

You can't however base Shepard's decision for choosing Synthesis on what happens AFTER Shepard makes the decision.  At the point of making the decision on the Crucible, Shepard doesn't have the faintest idea what will happen with Synthesis.  It could lead to the Utopia you describe, it could well be husking the entire galaxy as you previously thought.  Shepard only has the Catalyst's words and assurances - all 30 seconds of them - to go on.
 

True, you can't really make a decsion based on that. However, I didn't exaclty think about Synthesis like you did. Like a lot of people, I just wasn't sure about what happens because of the lack of infomation.

And the "everlasting peace" is a player interpretation, not an actual fact.  There's very little difference in the post-Destroy and post-Synthesis slides - Synthesis has a few Reapers walking around, everyone has glowing green eyes and circuitry, that's about it.

That not really player interpretation. EDI basically states that about the peace. There's no longer synthetic and organic conflict since they are now the same.

Modifié par Enhanced, 24 septembre 2012 - 04:26 .

[Ranger Jack Walker]

My Opinion > Everyone else's opinion

[Argolas]

I agree with the order.
Destroy means freedom and victory, the reapers are gone, organics are free from their influence, the current cycle is saved and the past cycles can finally rest in peace.
Control means safety for the price of freedom. We have peace, but the galaxy still depends on reaper technology, and we have a galactic overlord. We do not know if his decisions will always be the best for organics, and there is a possibility that someone might create a device like the crucible to replace Holoshep.
In Synthesis, the Reapers and the Leviathans are more dangerous than ever should they choose to assume control of the galaxy, and I am shure they will. There is no more weapon of mass destruction that can kill the reapers but spare the galactic civilization since they are the same. As for the Leviathans, Synthesis enables them to mind-control anything they want (thanks to N7Gold for making me realize that).
Refusal, of course, is worst IMO, because everyone and everything I fought for is lost then.

[D24O]

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

My Opinion > Everyone else's opinion

[ATiBotka]

Argolas wrote...

Synthesis enables them to mind-control anything they want (thanks to N7Gold for making me realize that).

How?

[ElSuperGecko]

Enhanced wrote...
That not really player interpretation. EDI basically states that about the peace. There's no longer synthetic and organic conflict since they are now the same.

It's never expressly stated that Synthesis leads to eternal peace.  Ends conflict between organic and synthetic, maybe - but conflict between organics and synthetics was never truly inevitably, despite the Catalyst's claims and calculations.  As I said, if each individual race retains it's own unique identity, it's own individuality and awareness, then conflict is still inevitable at some point.  And if they don't... well, then we've got a homogenised, emotionless souless galaxy that's lost everything it ever knew about being "alive".

On that note, it's interesting that EDI did the voiceover for Synthesis.  Being a relatively young, somewhat naive AI, with very little in what you'd call "life" experience.  I would have preferred to see what the individual organic races thought of the matter.  Or your crew members.  What their reactions are.

[RiouHotaru]

Destroy = Control = Synthesis > Refuse

Leviathan essentially confirms that the Catalyst isn't being deceitful about the options. What I find interesting is that while Shepard focuses on what effect the decision will have on the Reapers, the Catalyst is giving you the big picture:

"But the Reapers will be destroyed?"
"Yes, but the peace won't last."

"You will lose your connection to your kind, but you will remain aware of their existence."
"But the Reapers will obey me?"
"Yes."

"But you are ready, and you may choose it."
"I...don't know."
"Why not? Synthetics are already a part of you, can you imagine life without them?"

Really, the endings are all roughly equal to one another. Yes, Synthesis does require a leap of faith, because it's the ending with the least amount of information known to it. But it is the "Take A Third Option" choice, much like peace between the Quarians and the Geth was the "Third Choice". In essence, you're given a possible solution that won't require that the death of any race (Destroy), or the continued enslavement of the Reapers (Control).

[CaIIisto]

Samtheman63 wrote...

destroy > refuse > control = synthesis

This.

BW can shove synthesis where the sun don't shine.

[AlanC9]

Samtheman63 wrote...

destroy > refuse > control = synthesis

Getting everyone killed is better than Control?

[Enhanced]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Enhanced wrote...
That not really player interpretation. EDI basically states that about the peace. There's no longer synthetic and organic conflict since they are now the same.

It's never expressly stated that Synthesis leads to eternal peace.  Ends conflict between organic and synthetic, maybe - but conflict between organics and synthetics was never truly inevitably, despite the Catalyst's claims and calculations.  As I said, if each individual race retains it's own unique identity, it's own individuality and awareness, then conflict is still inevitable at some point.  And if they don't... well, then we've got a homogenised, emotionless souless galaxy that's lost everything it ever knew about being "alive".

On that note, it's interesting that EDI did the voiceover for Synthesis.  Being a relatively young, somewhat naive AI, with very little in what you'd call "life" experience.  I would have preferred to see what the individual organic races thought of the matter.  Or your crew members.  What their reactions are.

The synthetic/organic conflict is inevitable. The writers have made this clear with the Leviathan DLC.

[ATiBotka]

AlanC9 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

destroy > refuse > control = synthesis

Getting everyone killed is better than Control?

For some people, yes. But not for me.

[Samtheman63]

AlanC9 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

destroy > refuse > control = synthesis

Getting everyone killed is better than Control?

fighting and loosing is better than changing my objective on the advice of the Catalyst, yes


you know, the one responsible for trillions of deaths?

[Argolas]

ATiBotka wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Synthesis enables them to mind-control anything they want (thanks to N7Gold for making me realize that).

How?

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/14222902/1#14222902

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Insofar as having the least benefit to the galaxy, YES, order is spot-on.

[Argolas]

Samtheman63 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

destroy > refuse > control = synthesis

Getting everyone killed is better than Control?

fighting and loosing is better than changing my objective on the advice of the Catalyst, yes


you know, the one responsible for trillions of deaths?

I never chose anything but destroy, but I rather get my hands dirty and betray my morals than letting all those who put faith in me die in vain. IMO, refusal is the ending for most evil renegade Shepards, like "Get lost. I rather let everyone die than play by any rules that or not my own." This is arrogance with fatal consequences IMO.

Edit: Another reason for Shepard to refuse is not being ready to die for the cause. As far as he/she knows, all three choices result in his/her death.

Modifié par Argolas, 24 septembre 2012 - 05:04 .

[RiouHotaru]

Enhanced wrote...
The synthetic/organic conflict is inevitable. The writers have made this clear with the Leviathan DLC.

This isn't a far-fetched conflict either.  It's the basic "one group with superiority over another causes tension between them".  It's happened before in numerous other sci-fi works.  Star Trek had Khan and the Eugenics War.  Terminator gave us Skynet.  War Games is possibly the best example.  You could make the argument about Tron as well.  Usually it's easier to use artificial life (synthetics) as the "antagonist", but you could replace synthetics with "genetically-superior humanoids" and get the same result.

It's an overriding problem with machines right now.  At the point that a machine can automate things, what need is there for a human being at all?