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[AlanC9]

Samtheman63 wrote...

fighting and loosing is better than changing my objective on the advice of the Catalyst, yes

you know, the one responsible for trillions of deaths?

So because the Catalyst caused trillions of deaths, you'll..... let him kill another trillion?

You're so opposed to his methods that you'll refuse to stop him?

Modifié par AlanC9, 24 septembre 2012 - 05:10 .

[Samtheman63]

Argolas wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

destroy > refuse > control = synthesis

Getting everyone killed is better than Control?

fighting and loosing is better than changing my objective on the advice of the Catalyst, yes


you know, the one responsible for trillions of deaths?

I never chose anything but destroy, but I rather get my hands dirty and betray my morals than letting all those who put faith in me die in vain. IMO, refusal is the ending for most evil renegade Shepards, like "Get lost. I rather let everyone die than play by any rules that or not my own." This is arrogance with fatal consequences IMO.

Edit: Another reason for Shepard to refuse is not being ready to die for the cause. As far as he/she knows, all three choices result in his/her death.

I know what you mean but the catalyst speaks positivlly about control and synthesis but not destroy, theres just no way I can side with him.  Why would anyone? 

Also control has only ever been the goal of indoctrinated people, TiM and the rogue prothean group mentioned on Thessia. And synthesis is just unheard of, again no way I can change my mind after a minute explantion from the AI who controls the reapers.

ALSO, Id prefer shooting a tube over electrocuting myself or jumping down a hole

[AlanC9]

Samtheman63 wrote...

I know what you mean but the catalyst speaks positivlly about control and synthesis but not destroy, theres just no way I can side with him.  Why would anyone? 

He's not happy with Control, since it means overwriting his personality with Shepard's.

[Samtheman63]

AlanC9 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

fighting and loosing is better than changing my objective on the advice of the Catalyst, yes

you know, the one responsible for trillions of deaths?

So because the Catalyst caused trillions of deaths, you'll..... let him kill another trillion?

You're so opposed to his methods that you'll refuse to stop him?

im not letting him to anything, id rather fight to the death than act on his advice.

theres no way of knowing what refuse would do without metagaming anyway, so again i didn't "let" him do anything

Modifié par Samtheman63, 24 septembre 2012 - 05:13 .

[Samtheman63]

AlanC9 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

I know what you mean but the catalyst speaks positivlly about control and synthesis but not destroy, theres just no way I can side with him.  Why would anyone? 

He's not happy with Control, since it means overwriting his personality with Shepard's.

Yes he is

[Bill Casey]

Vigilant111 wrote...

I took a leap of faith in people, not in the Catalyst, there is a difference

Destroy is having faith in people...
Synthesis is fundamentally altering those people at the base level...


Synthesis is hateful...
It asserts there is something wrong with the very concept of organic and synthetic life that needs changing...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 24 septembre 2012 - 05:19 .

[RiouHotaru]

Bill Casey wrote...

Destroy is having faith in people...
Synthesis is fundamentally altering those people at the base level...


Synthesis is hateful...
It asserts there is something wrong with organic and synthetic life that needs changing...

Destroy is the belief that the Catalyst is incorrect, that the conflict isn't inevitable.

Control is the belief that the galaxy will need a guiding hand to prevent the conflict.

Synthesis is having faith that the problem (because you believe it exists) can be solved, and that the two opposing sides can be made to meet in the middle and resolve their differences.

Modifié par RiouHotaru, 24 septembre 2012 - 05:20 .

[Samtheman63]

RiouHotaru wrote...


Synthesis is having faith that the problem (because you believe it exists) can be solved, and that the two opposing sides can be made to meet in the middle and resolve their differences.

No, thats called making peace, and it can happen on rannoch, you dont need to catalyst to rape everyones DNA for it to happen

[ATiBotka]

Samtheman63 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

I know what you mean but the catalyst speaks positivlly about control and synthesis but not destroy, theres just no way I can side with him.  Why would anyone? 

He's not happy with Control, since it means overwriting his personality with Shepard's.

Yes he is

"...And I am not looking forward to being replaced by you, but I would be forced to accept it."

[RiouHotaru]

Samtheman63 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...


Synthesis is having faith that the problem (because you believe it exists) can be solved, and that the two opposing sides can be made to meet in the middle and resolve their differences.

No, thats called making peace, and it can happen on rannoch, you dont need to catalyst to rape everyones DNA for it to happen

Except there's no indication how the peace would play out.  Nor is it evidence that the conflict can be resolved normally.  The Catalyst has a HUGE advantage over you in that he's experienced countless cycles and had immeasure amounts of data pointing in his favor.

You have one shakily established peace that hasn't even existed for a full year yet.  While it's certainly an accomplishment, it doesn't prove anything.

[Bill Casey]

Synthesis is having faith that the problem (because you believe it exists) can be solved, and that the two opposing sides can be made to meet in the middle and resolve their differences.

No...
You don't rape two disparate groups with a god gun to force them to get along...
That is hateful cynical disgusting bull****...

[Argolas]

ATiBotka wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

I know what you mean but the catalyst speaks positivlly about control and synthesis but not destroy, theres just no way I can side with him.  Why would anyone? 

He's not happy with Control, since it means overwriting his personality with Shepard's.

Yes he is

"...And I am not looking forward to being replaced by you, but I would be forced to accept it."

I agree with you on that one. Catalyst ranking is quite strongly Synthesis ("It is the ideal solution") > Control ("You will lose everything you have" + your quote) > Destroy ("The peace won´t last").

[RiouHotaru]

That argument only works if you consider Synthesis to be "rape", and honestly, to equate what Synthesis does (which is shown to be a painful and instantaneous process) to rape is frankly downright insulting.

[Bill Casey]

Insulting?

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No, no...
It's rape...
God dammit...
What is wrong with people?

Modifié par Bill Casey, 24 septembre 2012 - 05:30 .

[Samtheman63]

ATiBotka wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

I know what you mean but the catalyst speaks positivlly about control and synthesis but not destroy, theres just no way I can side with him.  Why would anyone? 

He's not happy with Control, since it means overwriting his personality with Shepard's.

Yes he is

"...And I am not looking forward to being replaced by you, but I would be forced to accept it."

HA my mistake, maybe hes not happy, but he still accepts and reccomends that as a solution to find peace, which in itself is a good enough reason not to pick it

[Samtheman63]

Bill Casey wrote...

Insulting?

fewbufqedbhsbklqgw

No, no...
It's rape...
God dammit...
What is wrong with people?

not if sheparrd shouts "SURPRISE! :happy:"

[RiouHotaru]

Bill Casey wrote...

Insulting?

fewbufqedbhsbklqgw

No, no...
It's rape...
God dammit...
What is wrong with people?

No, it's not.  No more than Synthesis is eugenics either.  I'm not sure exactly where people are pulling these arguments from but this is getting ridiculous.

[Bill Casey]

Those random keys are my seething rage at people defending rape...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 24 septembre 2012 - 05:33 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Insulting?

fewbufqedbhsbklqgw

No, no...
It's rape...
God dammit...
What is wrong with people?

No, it's not.  No more than Synthesis is eugenics either.  I'm not sure exactly where people are pulling these arguments from but this is getting ridiculous.

They don't have any good reasons to denounce Synthesis, so they make outlandlish proclamations.

[Bill Casey]

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[Argolas]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Insulting?

fewbufqedbhsbklqgw

No, no...
It's rape...
God dammit...
What is wrong with people?

No, it's not.  No more than Synthesis is eugenics either.  I'm not sure exactly where people are pulling these arguments from but this is getting ridiculous.

They don't have any good reasons to denounce Synthesis, so they make outlandlish proclamations.

What would you think of a secret and effective global brainwashing program that makes sure every human on earth becomes a follower of one disigned standard religion and philosophy so there is no religious conflict anymore?

[RiouHotaru]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Insulting?

fewbufqedbhsbklqgw

No, no...
It's rape...
God dammit...
What is wrong with people?

No, it's not.  No more than Synthesis is eugenics either.  I'm not sure exactly where people are pulling these arguments from but this is getting ridiculous.

They don't have any good reasons to denounce Synthesis, so they make outlandlish proclamations.

Well the overwhelming reasons are:

1) "You can't decide for the galaxy!"

and

2) "It's what the Catalyst wanted, therefore it's bad!"

We already know the second is incorrect based on Leviathan, and the former can be debated because any of the three choices and Refuse require Shepard to make a decision for all involved parties.

[RiouHotaru]

Argolas wrote...
What would you think of a secret and effective global brainwashing program that makes sure every human on earth becomes a follower of one disigned standard religion and philosophy so there is no religious conflict anymore?

Nice try, but it's not comparable.  Synthesis isn't anything close to religion in the first place.  And once again, you're equating Synthesis to brainwashing when there's no evidence of such.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

RiouHotaru wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Insulting?

fewbufqedbhsbklqgw

No, no...
It's rape...
God dammit...
What is wrong with people?

No, it's not.  No more than Synthesis is eugenics either.  I'm not sure exactly where people are pulling these arguments from but this is getting ridiculous.

They don't have any good reasons to denounce Synthesis, so they make outlandlish proclamations.

Well the overwhelming reasons are:

1) "You can't decide for the galaxy!"

and

2) "It's what the Catalyst wanted, therefore it's bad!"

We already know the second is incorrect based on Leviathan, and the former can be debated because any of the three choices and Refuse require Shepard to make a decision for all involved parties.

Exactly!

[Samtheman63]

RiouHotaru wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Insulting?

fewbufqedbhsbklqgw

No, no...
It's rape...
God dammit...
What is wrong with people?

No, it's not.  No more than Synthesis is eugenics either.  I'm not sure exactly where people are pulling these arguments from but this is getting ridiculous.

They don't have any good reasons to denounce Synthesis, so they make outlandlish proclamations.

Well the overwhelming reasons are:

1) "You can't decide for the galaxy!"

and

2) "It's what the Catalyst wanted, therefore it's bad!"

We already know the second is incorrect based on Leviathan, and the former can be debated because any of the three choices and Refuse require Shepard to make a decision for all involved parties.

So now your taking advice off giant squids who once enslaved every other organic in the galaxy, who were responsible for causing the synthetic/organic conflict in the first place, and  also built the catalyst, which in turn started the reaper cycle.