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[Samtheman63]

"massacred" is a bit over the top

[Volc19]

Samtheman63 wrote...

"massacred" is a bit over the top

They were all killed. There was an entire race that was destroyed. Would you rather genocide?

[Bill Casey]

Eterna5 wrote...

You had to trust that he wasn't lying about  a small tube would blow up all the reapers.

He didn't say shooting the tube was how you destroyed the reapers...

[Samtheman63]

Volc19 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

"massacred" is a bit over the top

They were all killed. There was an entire race that was destroyed. Would you rather genocide?

They were destroyed, no one has died nor was there any genocide

[Argolas]

Volc19 wrote...

Control: Honestly, I see it as the best-case scenario. The Shepalyst (who is built to last, as the Catalyst is still functioning at the same capacity as it was a few billion years previously) has neutralized the Reaper-threat, the Reapers are being used as tools to rebuild society and protect it from disaster. Also, nothing about the galaxy is changed fundementally or killed off, so that's a plus.

How come so few see the danger of holoshep being replaced by some other guy who wants the power to control the reapers? Reaper kid explicitely states that if Shepard is going to replace it, it can´t do anything about it. So even if holoshep is soo extremely wise and kind that he is no danger in spite of his power, someone might replace him. The reapers are more powerful than the whole galaxy combined, so Illusive Man will not be the only one trying to assume control over them. And there are quite a lot of people who have acces to the crucible plans and might want to sell them or even use them theirselves.

[Volc19]

Bill Casey wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

You had to trust that he wasn't lying about  a small tube would blow up all the reapers.

He didn't say shooting the tube was how you destroyed the reapers...

But then you shoot a tube... and the reapers die.

Seriously, why is it that the primary function of the Crucible is activated through shooting part of it until it explodes?

Argolas wrote...

Volc19 wrote...

Control: Honestly, I see it as the best-case scenario. The Shepalyst (who is built to last, as the Catalyst is still functioning at the same capacity as it was a few billion years previously) has neutralized the Reaper-threat, the Reapers are being used as tools to rebuild society and protect it from disaster. Also, nothing about the galaxy is changed fundementally or killed off, so that's a plus.

How come so few see the danger of holoshep being replaced by some other guy who wants the power to control the reapers? Reaper kid explicitely states that if Shepard is going to replace it, it can´t do anything about it. So even if holoshep is soo extremely wise and kind that he is no danger in spite of his power, someone might replace him. The reapers are more powerful than the whole galaxy combined, so Illusive Man will not be the only one trying to assume control over them. And there are quite a lot of people who have acces to the crucible plans and might want to sell them or even use them theirselves.

Well, Shepalyst has a Reaper Army at his disposal. Along with the fact that the Citadel Defense Fleet would also need to be fought through to attach a new Crucible.

Also, the resources required to build another Crucible would be nigh impossible to aquire in the post-war Galaxy.

Samtheman63 wrote...

Volc19 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

"massacred" is a bit over the top

They were all killed. There was an entire race that was destroyed. Would you rather genocide?

They were destroyed, no one has died nor was there any genocide

Oh, you're one of those. You don't see the Geth as alive.

I mean, whatever helps you sleep, man.

Modifié par Volc19, 24 septembre 2012 - 07:46 .

[Bill Casey]

Control is essentially a ringing endorsement of Thomas Hobbes Leviathan...
Shepard essentially creates a Sovereign from the book...

That's beyond unethical to me...
Wholly unacceptable...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 24 septembre 2012 - 07:46 .

[Eterna]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

You had to trust that he wasn't lying about  a small tube would blow up all the reapers.

Good thing he has no reason to lie.

Just like he has no reason to lie in the other endings.

[Eterna]

Bill Casey wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

You had to trust that he wasn't lying about  a small tube would blow up all the reapers.

He didn't say shooting the tube was how you destroyed the reapers...

He doesn't say grabbing some rods or jumping into the beam will activate the other options either.

[Bill Casey]

Eterna5 wrote...

Destroy is shortsighted, the galaxy will destroy itself via the construction of Synthetics.

Catalyst said synthesis is inevitable...
So which is it?

[Samtheman63]

Volc19 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

You had to trust that he wasn't lying about  a small tube would blow up all the reapers.

He didn't say shooting the tube was how you destroyed the reapers...

But then you shoot a tube... and the reapers die.

Seriously, why is it that the primary function of the Crucible is activated through shooting part of it until it explodes?

Samtheman63 wrote...

Volc19 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

"massacred" is a bit over the top

They were all killed. There was an entire race that was destroyed. Would you rather genocide?

They were destroyed, no one has died nor was there any genocide

Oh, you're one of those. You don't see the Geth as alive.

I mean, whatever helps you sleep, man.

No i dont, even if you do, its not a massacre

"An indiscriminate and brutal slaughter of people."

[Ace of Dawn]

Volc19 wrote...
But then you shoot a tube... and the reapers die.

Seriously, why is it that the primary function of the Crucible is activated through shooting part of it until it explodes?

Probably the only good example of the "Nice Job Breaking It, Hero" trope.

[Samtheman63]

Bill Casey wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Destroy is shortsighted, the galaxy will destroy itself via the construction of Synthetics.

Catalyst said synthesis is inevitable...
So which is it?

rofl

[Bill Casey]

Volc19 wrote...

But then you shoot a tube... and the reapers die.

Seriously, why is it that the primary function of the Crucible is activated through shooting part of it until it explodes?

Because it's not the Crucible...
It's a metaphor...

[Argolas]

Volc19 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

"massacred" is a bit over the top

They were all killed. There was an entire race that was destroyed. Would you rather genocide?

"massacred" and "genocide" are the wrong words IMO. "genocide" for example discribes what for example the ****s did: Actively murdering people because of some ideology or other messed up ideas.
What happens to synthetics in Destroy  (IF they actually all have to die like reaper kid explains) is more like what Hackett did to the 2nd fleet: He sacrificed them so the others could survive. It is sad, of course, and Hackett did send these man knowing that they would die. He is responsible, but that does not make him a murderer.
Shepard did not make the rules in the final decision, but we always knew that ending the reaper threat once and for all would have its price. The game did prepare us to make a final sacrifice.

[Eterna]

Argolas wrote...

Volc19 wrote...

Control: Honestly, I see it as the best-case scenario. The Shepalyst (who is built to last, as the Catalyst is still functioning at the same capacity as it was a few billion years previously) has neutralized the Reaper-threat, the Reapers are being used as tools to rebuild society and protect it from disaster. Also, nothing about the galaxy is changed fundementally or killed off, so that's a plus.

How come so few see the danger of holoshep being replaced by some other guy who wants the power to control the reapers? Reaper kid explicitely states that if Shepard is going to replace it, it can´t do anything about it. So even if holoshep is soo extremely wise and kind that he is no danger in spite of his power, someone might replace him. The reapers are more powerful than the whole galaxy combined, so Illusive Man will not be the only one trying to assume control over them. And there are quite a lot of people who have acces to the crucible plans and might want to sell them or even use them theirselves.

Nobody knows how the crucible works and what was required besides shepard before he/she died. Your theory requires that the galaxy knows docking the crucible allows you to reprogram the reapers by sacrificing yourself. Evn then, the Shepard AI would have to mak itself known to explain what needs to be done. It could just stay hidden.

Not the mention the time and resources it takes to builda crucible. Your theory is incredibly unlikely to happen. 

[Seival]

There is no "best ending". Each ending has its advantages and disadvantages. All disputes about that should be stopped.

[Bill Casey]

Eterna5 wrote...

Nobody knows how the crucible works and what was required besides shepard before he/she died. Your theory requires that the galaxy knows docking the crucible allows you to reprogram the reapers by sacrificing yourself. Evn then, the Shepard AI would have to mak itself known to explain what needs to be done. It could just stay hidden.

Stargazer knows for some reason...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 24 septembre 2012 - 07:56 .

[Samtheman63]

Bill Casey wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Nobody knows how the crucible works and what was required besides shepard before he/she died. Your theory requires that the galaxy knows docking the crucible allows you to reprogram the reapers by sacrificing yourself. Evn then, the Shepard AI would have to mak itself known to explain what needs to be done. It could just stay hidden.

Stargazer knows for some reason...

keep them coming

[ShepnTali]

Bill Casey wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Destroy is shortsighted, the galaxy will destroy itself via the construction of Synthetics.

Catalyst said synthesis is inevitable...
So which is it?

Two opposing inevitables?

What a pickle this is.

[Eterna]

Bill Casey wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Nobody knows how the crucible works and what was required besides shepard before he/she died. Your theory requires that the galaxy knows docking the crucible allows you to reprogram the reapers by sacrificing yourself. Evn then, the Shepard AI would have to mak itself known to explain what needs to be done. It could just stay hidden.

Stargazer knows for some reason...

No he doesn't, are you saying Stargazer actuly knows the exact conversation that takes place with Shepard and his/her LI in their private quarters? 

Are you saying he knows Shepards dreams?

He's retelling a legend, he doesn't know the vague details. Theonly thing he probably knows is that Shepard stopped the Reapers and changed them, that's it. 

I've never really seen such a dumb argument tbh. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 24 septembre 2012 - 08:01 .

[Argolas]

Volc19 wrote...

But then you shoot a tube... and the reapers die.

Seriously, why is it that the primary function of the Crucible is activated through shooting part of it until it explodes?

I think this makes a lot of sense. The decision chamber is NOT part of the crucible, but part of the citadel. Note the cables that connect the destroy and control devices and the citadel. This room must have been prepared by reaper kid, this also explains how Synthesis is aviable although no one except reaper kid itself ever seems to know about it. The crucible must have been constructed to fire immediatly after docked, but the destroy device blocks that so Shepard must shoot it in order to trigger the crucible.

[Bill Casey]

Eterna5 wrote...

No he doesn't, are you saying Stargazer
actuly knows the exact conversation that takes place with Shepard and
his/her LI in their private quarters? 

Are you saying he knows Shepards dreams?

He's
retelling a legend, he doesn't know the vague details. Theonly thing he
probably knows is that Shepard stopped the Reapers and changed them,
that's it. 

I've never really seen such a dumb argument tbh.

Actually, I'm saying the entire trilogy was made up by Stargazer to lure children into his van. That's why Shepard dreams of chasing children through the woods. The Stargazer is projecting...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 24 septembre 2012 - 08:06 .

[Eterna]

Bill Casey wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

No he doesn't, are you saying Stargazer
actuly knows the exact conversation that takes place with Shepard and
his/her LI in their private quarters? 

Are you saying he knows Shepards dreams?

He's
retelling a legend, he doesn't know the vague details. Theonly thing he
probably knows is that Shepard stopped the Reapers and changed them,
that's it. 

I've never really seen such a dumb argument tbh.

Actually, I'm saying the entire trilogy was made up by Stargazer to lure children into his van. That's why Shepard dreams of chasing children through the woods. The Stargazer is projecting...

Right, you're a troll. Should have known by the stupid name. 

[SpamBot2000]

Argolas wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Well, technically 'evolution' is mutation and the higher reproductive success of some mutations. Therefore there is no end point to evolution, and evolution does not lead to increased 'closeness' of different forms of life. In fact, a standard evolutionary process is speciation, a species gradually splitting into more than one species. So the 'synthesis' is antievolutionary if anything.

I disagree. Evolution makes us adapt to our environment, if the external factors change and we survive, we will adapt. If we succesfully hunt game and eat it, our teeth will adapt to help us do that. If we eat grass, our stomach will adapt. If we do not need a part of the body anymore it won´t stay, for example if we leave the water and begin living on the land, our gills will disappear.
Evolution, by definition, means adapting and not splitting into diversity, this is rather a result of different circumstances, for example if part of a species leaves the water and another part stays there. Diversity between species that have been the same before is caused by different circumstances and not by evolution itself.

The adaptation to environment happens over very long periods of time by random mutation and some mutations having a higher reproductive success. That's Chuck Darwin for you, a biologist of some note.