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[Han Shot First]

The only way to win the game is to choose Destroy.

I gave this thread 5 stars.

[Solaxe]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Reasoning?

Destroy:

The people who picked Destroy have done so based on three full games of empirical evidence that the Reapers need to be stopped, at all costs.  

Yeah, STOPPED. Not DESTROYED

Seriously why all destroyers are so butthurt about other people's choices. You're the worst part of this community.

Han Shot First wrote...

The only way to win the game is to choose Destroy.

I gave this thread 5 stars.

Yup, enjoy not solving the organics-synthetics conflict and wait for another Reapers to appear Pure victory

Oh, I forgot about the Geth genocide and wasting Legion's sacrifice.

Modifié par Solaxe, 26 septembre 2012 - 07:33 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

ElSuperGecko wrote...


Synthesis:

The people who picked Synthesis have done so after being introduced to the idea by the being that created the Reapers (and the entire cycle of extinction, and the horror the galaxy is currently facing) in the first place, and given less than a minute of sketchy dialogue and vague reassurances about the process in the last couple of minutes of the final game of the series.  There is no foreshadowing of this option, no empirical in-game evidence to draw from when you make the decision.  You are doing nothing more than taking a leap of faith, based on nothing more than the word of your greatest enemy (a being whose flawed logic lead it to think nothing of exterminating it's own creators), with the future of every living being in the galaxy riding on the outcome.

The Catalyst was not the one to introduce Synthesis. Saren foreshadowed Synthesis in the first game, and Kai Leng also endorsed it. Fun fact, both Saren and Kai Lang are the only two people to canonly defeat Shepard.

[ElSuperGecko]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
The Catalyst was not the one to introduce Synthesis. Saren foreshadowed Synthesis in the first game, and Kai Leng also endorsed it. Fun fact, both Saren and Kai Lang are the only two people to canonly defeat Shepard.

True enough, but I thought I'd stay away from the Saren/Synthesis argument because it tends to make pro-Synthesists wail like banshees.  "But it's not the same thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing".

Solaxe wrote...
Seriously why all destroyers are so butthurt about other people's choices. You're the worst part of this community.

Not butthurt, just amused by how easily manipulated other people can be, and how quick they are to forget twhat's important and sell their friends and allies up the river so they don't have to make a hard decision.

Modifié par ElSuperGecko, 26 septembre 2012 - 09:51 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
The Catalyst was not the one to introduce Synthesis. Saren foreshadowed Synthesis in the first game, and Kai Leng also endorsed it. Fun fact, both Saren and Kai Lang are the only two people to canonly defeat Shepard.

True enough, but I thought I'd stay away from the Saren/Synthesis argument because it tends to make pro-Synthesists wail like banshees.  "But it's not the same thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing".

Really? I'm pro-Synthesis in part because of Saren Arterius.

[ElSuperGecko]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
Really? I'm pro-Synthesis in part because of Saren Arterius.

I must admit, his post-suicide attack form WAS pretty cool... 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
Really? I'm pro-Synthesis in part because of Saren Arterius.

I must admit, his post-suicide attack form WAS pretty cool... 

My first time playing, when he transformed after commiting suicide, my reaction was "Oh...that's not good".

[AlanC9]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Not butthurt, just amused by how easily manipulated other people can be, and how quick they are to forget twhat's important and sell their friends and allies up the river so they don't have to make a hard decision.

I thought it was the Destroyers who were betraying friends and allies.

[ElSuperGecko]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
My first time playing, when he transformed after commiting suicide, my reaction was "Oh...that's not good".

Exactly the same as my reaction.  Then he started leaping around like a Geth Hopper on speed, and my squad keeled over.

AlanC9 wrote...
I thought it was the Destroyers who were betraying friends and allies.

Nope.  You thought wrong.

Modifié par ElSuperGecko, 26 septembre 2012 - 04:10 .

[Samtheman63]

not this again, but ok one more go


control - an indoctrinated TiM tells you to pick control, indoctrinated means the reapers are controlling/manipulating him, basically the reapers WANT you to pick it.
doing so ends in shepard commiting suicide

synthesis - the AI controllling the reapers, the one responsible for unimaginable amounts of death and destruction, WANTS you to pick synthesis, which turns everyone into synthetic/organic hybrids, which is what the ****in reapers are trying to do.
this also ends in shepard commiting suicide

destroy - destroy the reapers, shame the geth and edi are destroyed but its a sacrifice we must make, atleast were loosing technology rather than actual lifes.

shepard lives presuming you dont suck

Modifié par Samtheman63, 26 septembre 2012 - 04:25 .

[zioninzion]

Samtheman63 wrote...

not this again, but ok one more go


control - an indoctrinated TiM tells you to pick control, indoctrinated means the reapers are controlling/manipulating him, basically the reapers WANT you to pick it.
doing so ends in shepard commiting suicide

synthesis - the AI controllling the reapers, the one responsible for unimaginable amounts of death and destruction, WANTS you to pick synthesis, which turns everyone into synthetic/organic hybrids, which is what the ****in reapers are trying to do.
this also ends in shepard commiting suicide

destroy - destroy the reapers, shame the geth and edi are destroyed but its a sacrifice we must make, atleast were loosing technology rather than actual lifes.

shepard lives presuming you dont suck

Agreed - lets just take what the genocidal star-child says at face value even though this whole game has been about making decisions on things below the surface and not just based on the words on the screen. I would even go as far to say that the Geth and EDI are alive. The whole "you'll wipe out all synthetic life" seems like something a reaper would say!

P.S. for the IT believers out there, the whole thing with the boy in the beginning playing with a toy normandy reeks of a hint that there is an essence of control going on of Shepard via indoctrination.

Destroy is the answer :happy:

[Samtheman63]

zioninzion wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

not this again, but ok one more go


control - an indoctrinated TiM tells you to pick control, indoctrinated means the reapers are controlling/manipulating him, basically the reapers WANT you to pick it.
doing so ends in shepard commiting suicide

synthesis - the AI controllling the reapers, the one responsible for unimaginable amounts of death and destruction, WANTS you to pick synthesis, which turns everyone into synthetic/organic hybrids, which is what the ****in reapers are trying to do.
this also ends in shepard commiting suicide

destroy - destroy the reapers, shame the geth and edi are destroyed but its a sacrifice we must make, atleast were loosing technology rather than actual lifes.

shepard lives presuming you dont suck

Agreed - lets just take what the genocidal star-child says at face value even though this whole game has been about making decisions on things below the surface and not just based on the words on the screen. I would even go as far to say that the Geth and EDI are alive. The whole "you'll wipe out all synthetic life" seems like something a reaper would say!

P.S. for the IT believers out there, the whole thing with the boy in the beginning playing with a toy normandy reeks of a hint that there is an essence of control going on of Shepard via indoctrination.

Destroy is the answer :happy:

you are right my friend

[Ticonderoga117]

Destroy is the only choice. Any others leave the Reapers around under VERY dubious control or self-restraint. Not too mention the risk of indoctrination with the Reapers still around so they need to go, period. Now, if in Control Shepard could just tell GlowBoy to fly all the Reapers into a star and leave everyone the hell alone, then things would be different. Alas, can't do that so Destroy it is.

[zioninzion]

The question on my mind is if Destroy is still the end of the trilogy or segways for the story to continue? I am torn between wanting Shepard to continue but also realizing new characters can be cool. I have just started reading the first book - just finished intro and chapter 1 - and Anderson has already been made out as a very cool character.

No I in no way want a prequel but it makes me open to falling in love with another set of characters.

[Solaxe]

ElSuperGecko wrote...
Not butthurt, just amused by how easily manipulated other people can be, and how quick they are to forget twhat's important and sell their friends and allies up the river so they don't have to make a hard decision.

I don't see amusement but only hate threads.

" and how quick they are to forget twhat's important and sell their friends and allies up the river so they don't have to make a hard decision."

LMAO how about EDI, Legion and the Geth you hipocryte?  

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Nope.  You thought wrong.

Nope, he didn't

Only good thing about destroy ending is killing the Reapers.

Also what's the point of this thread anyway?

Modifié par Solaxe, 26 septembre 2012 - 05:33 .

[Bill Casey]

LMAO how about EDI, Legion and the Geth you hipocryte?

EDI: If the Normandy were captured, my fate would become similar to the indoctrinated. My code would be rewritten. I would rather become non functional than help them. If you perish first, I want you to know that I will never be a part of the reaper forces. The Reapers must be defeated, not because they threaten death, but because the threat of death makes us die inside. It is the right of sapients to live freely and securely. That is worth non-functionality.

Prime: We will not relinquish sentience. There will be no more compromise with the old machines.

Modifié par Bill Casey, 26 septembre 2012 - 05:39 .

[Samtheman63]

they are machines, not friends.

their loyalty is programmed, and it lies on the flick of a switch

destroy is completing your mission at the cost of technology, the other 2 end with the you siding with the reapers, which is betraying the entire galaxy

so forgive me for putting the needs of billions of people infront of machines

[Solaxe]

Bill Casey wrote...

Prime: We will not relinquish sentience. There will be no more compromise with the old machines.

It said it before the activation of Crucible.

Tell your favourite Geth that you had choice of either giving the Geth full sentience or murdering them

Samtheman63 wrote...

they are machines, not friends.

their loyalty is programmed, and it lies on the flick of a switch

The humans and other races are also machines. Organic machines. The probability of Geth betraying you is the same as probability of organic betraying you.

Samtheman63 wrote...
destroy is completing your mission at the cost of technology, the other 2 end with the you siding with the reapers, which is betraying the entire galaxy

And how is that a betrayal? They don't defeat you

And in control ending you don't ally with them, you DOMINATE them.


Destroy ending is short minded. "Let's kill everything, that's the easiest solution"

Modifié par Solaxe, 26 septembre 2012 - 05:48 .

[Bill Casey]

Tell your favourite Geth that you had choice of either giving the Geth full sentience or murdering them

I didn't have that choice...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 26 septembre 2012 - 05:49 .

[Bill Casey]

And how is that a betrayal? They don't defeat you

In Synthesis, they do...

[Solaxe]

Bill Casey wrote...

And how is that a betrayal? They don't defeat you

In Synthesis, they do...

Nobody dies and the survivors are still the same people except with some fancy tech. It's not a defeat. It's actually a victory for both sides

[Ticonderoga117]

Solaxe wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

And how is that a betrayal? They don't defeat you

In Synthesis, they do...

Nobody dies and the survivors are still the same people except with some fancy tech. It's not a defeat. It's actually a victory for both sides

Except now we all are husks that the Reapers can now more easily control.

Nice job breaking it hero!

[Samtheman63]

Solaxe wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

they are machines, not friends.

their loyalty is programmed, and it lies on the flick of a switch

The humans and other races are also machines. Organic machines. The probability of Geth betraying you is the same as probability of organic betraying you.

hahahaha, where did you pull that one from? 

Solaxe wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...
destroy is completing your mission at the cost of technology, the other 2 end with the you siding with the reapers, which is betraying the entire galaxy

And how is that a betrayal? They don't defeat you

And in control ending you don't ally with them, you DOMINATE them.


Destroy ending is short minded. "Let's kill everything, that's the easiest solution"

either you turn everyone into hybrids which is what the reapers want, which is sick

or

they are still alive in control too, the reapers who have pumped themselves full of organic juices of long forgotten dead races, and if you didnt stop them, theyd do it your friends too


and your definition of destroy is just laughable

Modifié par Samtheman63, 26 septembre 2012 - 05:56 .

[Samtheman63]

Solaxe wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

And how is that a betrayal? They don't defeat you

In Synthesis, they do...

Nobody dies and the survivors are still the same people except with some fancy tech. It's not a defeat. It's actually a victory for both sides

LOL

[Enhanced]

Samtheman63 wrote...

they are machines, not friends.

their loyalty is programmed, and it lies on the flick of a switch

destroy is completing your mission at the cost of technology, the other 2 end with the you siding with the reapers, which is betraying the entire galaxy

so forgive me for putting the needs of billions of people infront of machines

Destroy completes Shepard's mission, but  it doesn't solve the bigger problem. However, Synthesis does. Some people seem to forget the reason why the Reapers exist.

Modifié par Enhanced, 26 septembre 2012 - 06:13 .