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[Samtheman63]

Enhanced wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

they are machines, not friends.

their loyalty is programmed, and it lies on the flick of a switch

destroy is completing your mission at the cost of technology, the other 2 end with the you siding with the reapers, which is betraying the entire galaxy

so forgive me for putting the needs of billions of people infront of machines

Destroy completes Shepard's mission, but  it doesn't solve the bigger problem. However, Synthesis does. Some people seem to forgetting the reason why the Reapers exist.

synthetics will wipe out organics?  that problem?
well the catalyst says synthesis is inevitable, so clearly hes talking ****

[Ticonderoga117]

Enhanced wrote...
Destroy completes Shepard's mission, but  it doesn't solve the bigger problem. However, Synthesis does. Some people seem to forget the reason why the Reapers exist.

But the past actions of the Reapers negate that so called "purpose".

Namely, allowing organic races access to the relays so that we are funneled in a way that uses that tech. If they truly wanted to keep us from killing ourselves, thats a braindead way of trying to do that.

Also, there's no evidence, and I'm not believing some ancient squids who forget to add kill-switches or program blocks to the MACHINE they built to keep other MACHINES from killing thier thralls.

Modifié par Ticonderoga117, 26 septembre 2012 - 06:17 .

[Bill Casey]

According to the Catalyst, there is no bigger problem...
He now says Synthesis is inevitable...

He changes his position when it's convenient more than a politician...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 26 septembre 2012 - 06:23 .

[Ticonderoga117]

Bill Casey wrote...

According to the Catalyst, there is no bigger problem...
He now says Synthesis is inevitable...

He changes his position more than a politician...

Well considering that the Reapers effectively gather the knowledge of those they distill to build a Reaper (or that's the idea anyway) and since the Catalyst is able to tap into that knowledge pool, and there always politicians on the Citadel that they capture first, he is the Uber-politician.

[Enhanced]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Enhanced wrote...
Destroy completes Shepard's mission, but  it doesn't solve the bigger problem. However, Synthesis does. Some people seem to forget the reason why the Reapers exist.

But the past actions of the Reapers negate that so called "purpose".

Namely, allowing organic races access to the relays so that we are funneled in a way that uses that tech. If they truly wanted to keep us from killing ourselves, thats a braindead way of trying to do that.

Also, there's no evidence, and I'm not believing some ancient squids who forget to add kill-switches or program blocks to the MACHINE they built to keep other MACHINES from killing thier thralls.

But, it really doesn't matter what us players believe or not, it's written in the game as facts. It's part of the script.

Modifié par Enhanced, 26 septembre 2012 - 06:26 .

[RavenEyry]

Enhanced wrote...

But, it really doesn't matter what us players believe or not, it's written in the game as facts.

Mysterious untrustworthy entity says so != facts.

[Samtheman63]

Enhanced wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Enhanced wrote...
Destroy completes Shepard's mission, but  it doesn't solve the bigger problem. However, Synthesis does. Some people seem to forget the reason why the Reapers exist.

But the past actions of the Reapers negate that so called "purpose".

Namely, allowing organic races access to the relays so that we are funneled in a way that uses that tech. If they truly wanted to keep us from killing ourselves, thats a braindead way of trying to do that.

Also, there's no evidence, and I'm not believing some ancient squids who forget to add kill-switches or program blocks to the MACHINE they built to keep other MACHINES from killing thier thralls.

But, it really doesn't matter what us players believe or not, it's written in the game as facts.

Where?

[JeffZero]

Cool, now reverse that for me.

[Ticonderoga117]

Enhanced wrote...
But, it really doesn't matter what us players believe or not, it's written in the game as facts.

Those "facts" in ME3 contradict the facts in ME1. There's no attempt to subvert those facts from ME1. You can't have one game establishing the universe and enemies, then have another totally disregard ALL of that, and say "Nah, this is what it's all about". It makes no sense.

However, considering ME3 is the "best place to get started in the series" I can totally accept that the minds who directed the creation would do such a thing.

[Solaxe]

Samtheman63 wrote...

LOL

That's exactly what I would expect from you. No arguments, only dumb responses. It matches with my theory that destroy is for close minded people.

and synthesis IS a victory for everyone.

The Reapers find the final solution? Check.
The organics and synthetics are finally in peace and the Reapers don't threaten them anymore? Check

Or maybe you didn't pay attention to the plot?

But explaining why do you disagree with me is too hard for you I see. All you can pull off is "LOL" like a 4 year old child. I'm done talking to you.


Oh, and I'll suprise you, I've chosen Destroy myself (Yes I'm close minded) But saying that this is the best ending and forcing it on everyone is just ridiculous.

Modifié par Solaxe, 26 septembre 2012 - 06:33 .

[Enhanced]

Samtheman63 wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Enhanced wrote...
Destroy completes Shepard's mission, but  it doesn't solve the bigger problem. However, Synthesis does. Some people seem to forget the reason why the Reapers exist.

But the past actions of the Reapers negate that so called "purpose".

Namely, allowing organic races access to the relays so that we are funneled in a way that uses that tech. If they truly wanted to keep us from killing ourselves, thats a braindead way of trying to do that.

Also, there's no evidence, and I'm not believing some ancient squids who forget to add kill-switches or program blocks to the MACHINE they built to keep other MACHINES from killing thier thralls.

But, it really doesn't matter what us players believe or not, it's written in the game as facts.

Where?

In the dialogues. It wasn't implied that the Leviathan and Catalyst are lying.

[Ticonderoga117]

Solaxe wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

LOL

That's exactly what I would expect from you. No arguments, only dumb responses. It matches with my theory that destroy is for close minded people.

and synthesis IS a victory for everyone.

The Reapers find the final solution? Check.
The organics and synthetics are finally in peace and the Reapers don't threaten them anymore? Check

Or maybe you didn't pay attention to the plot?

But explaining why do you disagree with me is too hard for you I see. All you can pull off is "LOL" like a 4 year old child. I'm done talking to you.

Oh, there's a good one. The Reapers threaten everything by just exsisting. Not only can they indoctrinate, but I'm sure that, thanks to our new green cyborgnetics, they can hack that too. There's no reason for them to stop, we are just as likely to kill everyone. The Reaper threat still exsists, it's just halted.

[Samtheman63]

Solaxe wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

LOL

That's exactly what I would expect from you. No arguments, only dumb responses. It matches with my theory that destroy is for close minded people.

and synthesis IS a victory for everyone.

The Reapers find the final solution? Check.
The organics and synthetics are finally in peace and the Reapers don't threaten them anymore? Check

Or maybe you didn't pay attention to the plot?

But explaining why do you disagree with me is too hard for you I see. All you can pull off is "LOL" like a 4 year old child. I'm done talking to you.


Oh, and I'll suprise you, I've chosen Destroy myself.

You ignored my other post directly above it, and sorry if all i can do is laugh when you admit the reapers are victorious. 

[Samtheman63]

double toast

Modifié par Samtheman63, 26 septembre 2012 - 06:38 .

[Samtheman63]

Enhanced wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Enhanced wrote...
Destroy completes Shepard's mission, but  it doesn't solve the bigger problem. However, Synthesis does. Some people seem to forget the reason why the Reapers exist.

But the past actions of the Reapers negate that so called "purpose".

Namely, allowing organic races access to the relays so that we are funneled in a way that uses that tech. If they truly wanted to keep us from killing ourselves, thats a braindead way of trying to do that.

Also, there's no evidence, and I'm not believing some ancient squids who forget to add kill-switches or program blocks to the MACHINE they built to keep other MACHINES from killing thier thralls.

But, it really doesn't matter what us players believe or not, it's written in the game as facts.

Where?

In the dialogues. It wasn't implied that the Leviathan and Catalyst are lying.

"Without us to stop it synthetics will destroy all organics"
right ok catalyst


"Synthesis is inevitable"
errr.... you just said the opposite


"The created will always rebel against their creators"
The reapers attacked you?  the geth attacked the quarians?
No, they didn't

[Solaxe]

Samtheman63 wrote...

You ignored my other post directly above it, and sorry if all i can do is laugh when you admit the reapers are victorious. 

I didn't, it was as nonsensical as your "lol".

All of your arguments are variations of "No, you're not right, just because, and I won't explain" . I explain why I disagree with you, and you react like a kid.
I don't say stupid things like you - "Destroy isn't the best ending, derp" or "Hahaha you're wrong, just because"

Also, a poor excuse.

Samtheman63 wrote...
and sorry if all i can do is laugh when you admit the reapers are victorious.  

Yup they achieve peace between synthetics and organics, that's laugh worthy right? Typical close minded reaction. Why won't you just pick refusal? That's also choosing the Reapers offer, isn't it?

Bye, and think about it.

Modifié par Solaxe, 26 septembre 2012 - 06:45 .

[Solaxe]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Oh, there's a good one. The Reapers threaten everything by just exsisting. Not only can they indoctrinate, but I'm sure that, thanks to our new green cyborgnetics, they can hack that too. There's no reason for them to stop, we are just as likely to kill everyone. The Reaper threat still exsists, it's just halted.

Do you realize that they ALSO have the same tech? The indoctrination maybe would work, but they would be as vulnerable to enchanced bilions of lives. 

And why would they want to indoctrinate us? They got what they wanted. You're overthinking imo

Modifié par Solaxe, 26 septembre 2012 - 06:45 .

[Samtheman63]

You are closed minded sir, you have an objective destroy the ****ing reapers.

they have been slaughtering people for enternity, squashing them down and processing their organic fludis into huge robotic death machines. The AI, the reapers, they are WARPED my friend.   keeping them alive is too risky

After a 2 minute conversation with what is essentially the leader of our enemy you have changed your mind about destroying them, and instead sided with them, that is also warped.

Also, look up, the catalyst contradicts itself, how can you rely on it as a trustful source of information? You cant.




"I think we'd rather keep our own form" - Commander Shepard

Modifié par Samtheman63, 26 septembre 2012 - 06:49 .

[ATiBotka]

Samtheman63 wrote...

You are closed minded sir, you have an objective destroy the ****ing reapers.

To stop the ****ing reapers.

Stop them from killing/harvesting us.

Modifié par ATiBotka, 26 septembre 2012 - 06:50 .

[JeffZero]

I want to stop them one way or the other. If there's a better way in my interpretation than just plain destroying them, and if via meta knowledge I know full well it works, anyway, then I'm cool with that other route. I feel like they're pretty much obliterated of their initial core programming regardless, unless you, ya know, pick Refuse.

[Samtheman63]

ATiBotka wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

You are closed minded sir, you have an objective destroy the ****ing reapers.

To stop the ****ing reapers.

"Dead reapers are how we win this"
"We destroy them, or they destroy us"

thats 2 quotes, of about 20

[Purge the heathens]

Their means may be warped, but their motivation is quite benevolent and noble.

[Argolas]

Solaxe wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Oh, there's a good one. The Reapers threaten everything by just exsisting. Not only can they indoctrinate, but I'm sure that, thanks to our new green cyborgnetics, they can hack that too. There's no reason for them to stop, we are just as likely to kill everyone. The Reaper threat still exsists, it's just halted.

Do you realize that they ALSO have the same tech? The indoctrination maybe would work, but they would be as vulnerable to enchanced bilions of lives. 

And why would they want to indoctrinate us? They got what they wanted. You're overthinking imo

Rather, the "catalyst" fulfilled its purpose and ensured Leviathan domination over the galaxy because they needed him to "establish a connection" between synthetics and organics so their mind-control works without artifacts.

By the way, if Synthesis solves anything, it only does so temporarily. New organics will rise on garden worlds, and eventually new synthetic slaves will be created. Not to mention that reaper kid contradicts itself. Either the fact that synthetics will wipe out all organics is inevitable, or synthesis is enivatable, it can´t both be true. I would say if anything, no.2 is right because organics will adapt to the tech they use und thus become hybrids eventually. This natural Synthesis would be beneficial, culture and society will slowly grow and adapt, and there will be time to figure out a way to battle the Leviathans. The forced Synthesis by using the crucible is a cruel and radical sudden change of all existing life, similar to the "uplifting" of the Krogan by the Salarians, but far worse because of its extend. This is one of the major reasons why I can´t bring myself to choose Synthesis.

[Samtheman63]

Purge the heathens wrote...

Their means may be warped, but their motivation is quite benevolent and noble.

oh its alright then

you are forgiven reapers!

[JeffZero]

Samtheman63 wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

You are closed minded sir, you have an objective destroy the ****ing reapers.

To stop the ****ing reapers.

"Dead reapers are how we win this"
"We destroy them, or they destroy us"

thats 2 quotes, of about 20

And not all players are going to automatically agree with Anderson's and Hackett's limited firsthand experience after spending three games arriving at their own conclusions. Many will, and that's fine. But Anderson'a and Hackett's lines aren't going to mean everything to everyone.

Then there are the Shepard pro-Destroy quotes, and those are harder to deny, but then, so are the apparently great outcomes from Control and Synthesis. And the (rather aggravating) "there has to be another way..." Shepard auto-quote.