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[mousestalker]

Just replace 'anorexic' with 'unattractive' and I think you'd have almost everyone on board with your ideas.

[Beerfish]

Most of the new DA elves were more hideous than dark spawn. Trying to make them look like the blue hippy elves from avatar was a mistake.

[FINE HERE]

NO. The DA2 elves looked disturbing(especially from a profile view) like something was off or wrong about them. They weren't elves, they were freaky aliens based of the Navi designs from Avatar. Change them, change them, change them PLEASE!

[DarkKnightHolmes]

challenger18 wrote...

Cultist wrote...

We already have them
http://desmond.image...jpg&res=landing
P.S. Fun fact. Just for fun I entered anorexic elf in google and dragon age images were on 2nd page.

Crack is a hell of a drug. 

Seriously though, I liked the concept of BioWare wanting to distinguish elves from humans. They are a separate race they deserve to look like their own race instead of small humans with pointy ears. I would like to see the concept developed more than it was DA2, but honestly I think it is just a matter of polygon count. Fenris and Merrill look great, most other elves (like the one above) did not get that same treatement and ended up looking alien in a bad way. 

For all we know, humans looks like elves but are just taller and smaller ears.

[tmp7704]

Eyil wrote...

Google isn't exactly the most compelling evidence. Dictionary.com, Miriam Webster and the Oxford English dictionary only describe anorexic as "relating to a loss of appetite" (through anorectic) and relating to someone suffering from anorexia nervosa.

I consider it a decent source for fairly up-to-date definitions. Merriam-Webster and other established dictionaries tend to lag behind the live language more, if just because they have bigger reputation to maintain. As simple example, M-W still has "cool" meaning "very good" marked as "slang".

And I'm not saying that I think they look emaciated. I'm saying that if the OP thinks that they look emaciated, then they should bleeding well use the word emaciated.

Well, see -- your statement was, to quote:

Using "anorexic" as a term to mean "thin" or "emaciated" is extremely insulting.

leaving aside there's no "if" there to speak of, the catch is the OP doesn't mention body proportions of the elves at all. They merely use "anorexic" in the subject, and state that redesigned elves look like a different species (and it's something the OP approves)

So i'm afraid bringing the idea of these elves looking emaciated... it's entirely your own. And that simply makes me question why would you even think that, if you believe DA2 elves look all healthy etc.

Modifié par tmp7704, 24 septembre 2012 - 07:17 .

[mya11]

Close this tread, I just confirm the look elves in DA2 are very horrible beurk !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Eyil]

tmp7704 wrote...

Eyil wrote...

Google isn't exactly the most compelling evidence. Dictionary.com, Miriam Webster and the Oxford English dictionary only describe anorexic as "relating to a loss of appetite" (through anorectic) and relating to someone suffering from anorexia nervosa.

I consider it a decent source for fairly up-to-date definitions. Merriam-Webster and other established dictionaries tend to lag behind the live language more, if just because they have bigger reputation to maintain. As simple example, M-W still has "cool" meaning "very good" marked as "slang".

And I'm not saying that I think they look emaciated. I'm saying that if the OP thinks that they look emaciated, then they should bleeding well use the word emaciated.

Well, see -- your statement was, to quote:

Using "anorexic" as a term to mean "thin" or "emaciated" is extremely insulting.

leaving aside there's no "if" there to speak of, the catch is the OP doesn't mention body proportions of the elves at all. They merely use "anorexic" in the subject, and state that redesigned elves look like a different species (and it's something the OP approves)

So i'm afraid bringing the idea of these elves looking emaciated... it's entirely your own. And that simply makes me question why would you even think that, if you believe DA2 elves look all healthy etc.

Emaciated is a common word that people who say anorexic actually mean. And for the record - just because I say something in one context doesn't mean that I hold it as my own opinion in another.

[naughty99]

mousestalker wrote...

Just replace 'anorexic' with 'unattractive' and I think you'd have almost everyone on board with your ideas.

The problem is that the "humans with pointy ears" type of elf is a bit overdone and not very interesting. Aren't they supposed to be an entirely different species?

Beerfish wrote...

Most of the new DA elves were more hideous than dark spawn. Trying to make them look like the blue hippy elves from avatar was a mistake.

Are you perhaps thinking of the models for some of those minor filler NPCs that were standing around in Kirkwall - if so, it wasn't just the elves, those human NPCs didn't look very good either, as they incorporated very low res textures, etc.

Modifié par naughty99, 24 septembre 2012 - 07:32 .

[Wulfram]

naughty99 wrote...

Aren't they supposed to be an entirely different species?

Considering they're generally portrayed as reproducing with humans and producing fertile offspring, not really.

edit:  Generally the chief distinguishing traits for elves other than pointy ears, is immortality/extreme longevity.  But Bioware decided not to have that.

Modifié par Wulfram, 24 septembre 2012 - 07:44 .

[Applepie_Svk]

Cultist wrote...

We already have them
http://desmond.image...jpg&res=landing
P.S. Fun fact. Just for fun I entered anorexic elf in google and dragon age images were on 2nd page.

Yeah DA2 elf look is horrible, I still doesn´t understand how they can screwed so much :/ otherwise Shianni !

[Steppenwolf]

coles4971 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

While I think the second elf looks horrible, I don't think it's fair to use a modded character, just how it's not fair to do the Shianni/Orana comparison.

That's not a modded character, that's the Dalish elf who confronts a former werewolf at the Wounded Coast.

[Orian Tabris]

Give them a human nose with a proper dip, not this flat-nosed hooey! Unless they make their entire faces somewhat flat like Aerie in BG2.

Example:

[iSignIn]

Have you tried starving to death? I think you might enjoy that.

[Haverrun]

This was on twitter.
Daigon92
@mike_laidlaw Are the elves appearance going to be different in DA3? Wasn't a big fan of the DA2 Elves.

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

@Daigon92 Somewhat, but they won’t go back to just humans with pointy ears. Middle ground, I expect.

[Menagra]

I think the elves should be smaller framed than humans but look like them again. I do think some elves should have larger body types, but like I said smaller frames. I think the eyes should either be smaller or bigger than humans (I personally think smaller and higher set eyes are more a more believable elf design). Most importantly they should have HUGE ears. I think ears that are so big that they even stick out of long hair is best solution.

Modifié par infraredman, 24 septembre 2012 - 11:35 .

[RazorrX]

I do not want them to use the existing DA2 elf look, nor go back to the DA:O look. What I would like is more close to the actual concept art and in tune with the lore.

Lore states that Elves are attractive to humans. They are graceful and beautiful. This is why they are so sought after in Orlais (among other places) as slav... er "servants". Elven ****s are very popular for this reason, etc.

The generic Elf in DA2 was Neither Graceful NOR Beautiful. There were a few that were attractive and the Keeper was totally graceful when she walked into the Alienage, but that was pretty much that.

So For me, I would like the elves to have more well defined bodies, lean but with muscle and curves that fit (slender but fit). The neck needs to be shortened and/or thickened. The huge head on a stick neck is really bad. Talis gives me the creeps because of that. Make them walk erect, with grace and not hunched over like gollum. It is okay to look different from human, just they should not look like starving aliens.

[Selene Moonsong]

 In DA: Origins, you could make excellent Elves in the toolset due to the superior control the toolset has compared to the in-game character creator. I suspect that I could take and attempt to use the toolset to re-create the elves of DA 2 (not exactly of course) but I think an approximation of a happy medium between could be created.

I don't mind the larger eyes and ears, except that I think they were a bit to exaggerated. The same goes for the shape of the nose combined with the forehead just seemed a bit odd to me. The appearance, IMHO, it almost had the look of and attempt to combine the traditional elves of high fantasy with the Na'vi of Avatar at times, and the ears sticking outward reminds me of some of the anime art I've seen.
In the end, however, I would just like to see the exaggeration toned down a bit, and some appropriate footwear  

Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 25 septembre 2012 - 12:04 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

I want them to look different than humans. I just don't want them to look like they do in DA2.

[Montana]

Haverrun wrote...

This was on twitter.
Daigon92
@mike_laidlaw Are the elves appearance going to be different in DA3? Wasn't a big fan of the DA2 Elves.

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

@Daigon92 Somewhat, but they won’t go back to just humans with pointy ears. Middle ground, I expect.

This would be awesome.
Just tone the DA2 elves back a bit and they'll walk the perfect line between "pointy eared human" and alien.

[Sejborg]

These thin elves in DA2 gives young girls an unhealthy body image. It must be stopped.

In all seriousness. Change the damn elves. They look all wrong.

[AdmiralDavidAnderson]

I really don't like DA2 elves. I'm ok if they makes the elves like a middle ground between origins and 2. Please just don't make them overly anorexic with ugly noses and giraffe necks.

[LPPrince]

Well, if Mr. Laidlaw says that they're going to find a middle ground, I hope that middle ground is leaning closer to DAO elves than anything.

Because by God those DA2 elves were eww.

[megamacka]

Selene Moonsong wrote...

 In DA: Origins, you could make excellent Elves in the toolset due to the superior control the toolset has compared to the in-game character creator. I suspect that I could take and attempt to use the toolset to re-create the elves of DA 2 (not exactly of course) but I think an approximation of a happy medium between could be created.

I don't mind the larger eyes and ears, except that I think they were a bit to exaggerated. The same goes for the shape of the nose combined with the forehead just seemed a bit odd to me. The appearance, IMHO, it almost had the look of and attempt to combine the traditional elves of high fantasy with the Na'vi of Avatar at times, and the ears sticking outward reminds me of some of the anime art I've seen.
In the end, however, I would just like to see the exaggeration toned down a bit, and some appropriate footwear  

This.
I think they nailed it with Merril but some of the other elves just looked silly.

[KiwiQuiche]

Yet another person who has no idea what "anorexia" really is.