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[Maclimes]

I'm compiling a list of potentially killable characters (specifically companions and major NPCs) and their fates.

NOTE: I am ignoring the "I beheaded them!" argument, since that's just a graphical animation, and is not necessarily meant to be interpretted literally.

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CONFIRMED TO HAVE BYPASSED DEATH

Leliana: This is the obvious one. You can kill her during DA:O at the Ashes, but even if you do, she most definetly survives and appears in DA2 as a major behind-the-scenes player. Likely the same for DA3.
How she bypassed death: Unknown.

Wynne: There are two places to kill her in DA:O. When you first meet her, and at the Ashes. We know she survives, however, because she is a major player in the novel Asunder, which obviously has major impact on the world of DA3.
How she bypassed death: Likely through the Spirit that keeps her alive.
Weird note: If she is "killed" in DA:O, she will not appear in DA:A (as one would expect). Could be retconned to say that she is still healing from her violent encounter with the Warden.

Shale: Shale can either be left deactivated, or killed during the encounter with Caridin. We know she survives, and is at Wynne's side during Asunder.
How she bypassed death: If killed near Caridin, it's possible that she simply didn't actually die, just fell temporarily inert. If left in Honnleath, it's possible that Wynne discovered her on her own, and awakened her (Seems a stretch, I admit.)

Anders: Anders can be turned over to the Templars in the prologue of DA:A, or die during defense of the city/keep at the end. Yet in either case, he appears in DA2 as a former Grey Warden.
How he bypassed death: If killed at the end of DA:A, it's possible it was simply a misunderstanding, and he actually escaped in the chaos. If turned over to the Templar, though, I have no idea how we became a Warden anyway. That one is the one stumper, for me.

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SO FAR, STAYED DEAD

Anders (again): Can be killed (again) at the end of DA2. So far, he's still dead. Hopefully, that one sticks. Given the dramatically story-relevant nature of his death, I suspect he will stay dead this time. (Unlike the previously mentioned deaths, all of which were more tangential to the actual story).

Alistair: If he dies in DA:O, he does not appear in DA2, despite numerous cameos from Alistair for other fates. Seems like this one stuck.

Isolde: If she does not die in DA:O, she appears as a guest during DA2 Legacy. It has been confirmed she does NOT appear if she died in DA:O, so that one seems to have stuck, too.

Others who seem to have stayed dead, so far:
Loghain, Connor, Jowan, Harrowmount or Bhelen, elves/werewolves, and probably a whole host of others.

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WEIRD SPECIAL CASES

Zevran: Can be killed at multiple points during DA:O. He shows up in DA2 anyway. This COULD simply be an import bug, however. It may not be meant to represent him circumventing death. Jury's out on this one.

The Warden: There's no current way to import your Warden's choices in DA:O to DA:A, but continue on with him dead (in other words, playing as the Orlesian Warden). You can only choose to use a default Warden with a new Orlesian, or import your Warden who somehow is mysteriously still alive (even if they committed the ultimate sacrifice). This one, I believe, was simply poor design in the way DA:A proceeds from DA:O, but it still leaves us with a weird pickle regarding importing our decisions.
Note: It's mentioned that the Warden is missing during DA2. Many people took this to assume that their sacrificed Warden was, again, still mysteriously alive. However, they could simply be referencing the Orlesian Warden Commander in that case. I don't see this as a continuity problem.

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Did I miss any major ones?

[Vandicus]

Zevran I thought was considered an import bug. I know he didn't show up in my playthrough where he was dead.

The most common theory for the original Anders death/res is that Justice can basically animate bodies and retain their memories. Unfortunately this allows for him coming back AGAIN since we're not sure Justice is banished back to the Fade by killing Anders in DA2(previous circumstances show that killing the possessed sends the demon back, but Justice is technically not a demon).

Oghren can apparently be killed in DA:O if his approval is low enough or something. I've been told he comes back making some excuse for why he's not dead along the lines of "It was only Thursday."

[Maclimes]

Vandicus wrote...

Oghren can apparently be killed in DA:O if his approval is low enough or something. I've been told he comes back making some excuse for why he's not dead along the lines of "It was only Thursday."

I've heard this same rumor as well, but never had it confirmed. Would be interested if anyone could confirm it.

(Also, the absolutely ridiculously silly explanation for his survival almost makes it more forgivable, just because it's so in-character for Oghren. Also, because dwarves are awesome.)

[addiction21]

Maclimes wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Oghren can apparently be killed in DA:O if his approval is low enough or something. I've been told he comes back making some excuse for why he's not dead along the lines of "It was only Thursday."

I've heard this same rumor as well, but never had it confirmed. Would be interested if anyone could confirm it.

(Also, the absolutely ridiculously silly explanation for his survival almost makes it more forgivable, just because it's so in-character for Oghren. Also, because dwarves are awesome.)

Best I could find  around 1:01 there is the dialogue option to kill him and http://dragonage.wik...x_entry:_Oghren mentions a codex that the Warden can kill him in a dispute.

I never have done it myself.

[thats1evildude]

Maclimes wrote...

Wynne: There are two places to kill her in DA:O. When you first meet her, and at the Ashes. We know she survives, however, because she is a major player in the novel Asunder, which obviously has major impact on the world of DA3.
How she bypassed death: Likely through the Spirit that keeps her alive.
Weird note: If she is "killed" in DA:O, she will not appear in DA:A (as one would expect). Could be retconned to say that she is still healing from her violent encounter with the Warden.

Shale: Shale can either be left deactivated, or killed during the encounter with Caridin. We know she survives, and is at Wynne's side during Asunder.
How she bypassed death: If killed near Caridin, it's possible that she simply didn't actually die, just fell temporarily inert. If left in Honnleath, it's possible that Wynne discovered her on her own, and awakened her (Seems a stretch, I admit.)

Not really appropriate for this list, as Asunder is not canon.  If Wynne and Shale died in DAO, then the events of Asunder simply unfolded in a different way.

[Rpgfantasyplayer]

The only way to see Zevran in DA2 is if you get his quest from Nuncio by the Blooming Rose in act 3.  I killed him in DA:O and he was still in DA2.  I agree that if I killed a character don't just bring them back with some explanation.  Have them stay dead.

[quote]Vandicus wrote...

Zevran I thought was considered an import bug. I know he didn't show up in my playthrough where he was dead.

Modifié par Rpgfantasyplayer, 24 septembre 2012 - 06:18 .

[Mr.House]

Wynn dies for good in the book.

[Masha Potato]

Who's that Wynn you're talking about

[Mr.House]

Masha Potato wrote...

Who's that Wynn you're talking about

An old hag who I ignore and forgot how to type her name.

[jlb524]

Mr.House wrote...
Wynn dies for good in the book.

OMG spoiled 4ever!

Masha Potato wrote...

Who's that Wynn you're talking about

He's semi-allergic to the letter 'e'.

[Maclimes]

thats1evildude wrote...

Not really appropriate for this list, as Asunder is not canon.  If Wynne and Shale died in DAO, then the events of Asunder simply unfolded in a different way.

Possible. But considering the heavy impact of Asunder on the Mage Templar war, I expect we will know for sure in DA3.