There's really little reason to even consider it unless the darkspawn and Ferelden are both involved somehow. I don't think that either will have much screen time in DA3.
"In death, sacrifice." - The return of Duncan!
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I mean, if Anders and Leliana can escape death...
It'd be pretty cool to see Duncan return as the Grey Warden party member. A mentor to the PC like Wynne was to the Warden, just less annoying.
Thoughts?
Dude I already tried to post a thread on this and David Gaider told me no.
Edit: I just went back to read all the comments and - yep - there's Gaider. He told you no, too.
Gaider - just surprise us all with Duncan as a practical joke. jk.
p.s. It's the fault of DAO for making his death scene look so questionable. Devs - go back and edit in a scene showing Duncan's severed head soaring through the air. Make it first day DLC for DA3, entitled: "In Case You Were Wondering..."
final note: I'm a jokester. Please don't murder me.
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Trista Faux Hawke wrote...
EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
I mean, if Anders and Leliana can escape death...
It'd be pretty cool to see Duncan return as the Grey Warden party member. A mentor to the PC like Wynne was to the Warden, just less annoying.
Thoughts?
Dude I already tried to post a thread on this and David Gaider told me no.
Edit: I just went back to read all the comments and - yep - there's Gaider. He told you no, too.
Gaider - just surprise us all with Duncan as a practical joke. jk.
or even an in game message from him. Duncan was a great character & I miss his voice actor
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Posté 30 octobre 2012 - 04:19
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Apparently, at the very least, you need to at least get the voice actor back or something. People love Duncan.
No, I really don't need to do that. Duncan shall not be returning in any capacity. If someone loves him so much, they'll let him rest. And that is the final word on the subject.
Why do you hate Duncan so much!?
Eh? Where do you get that he hates him from that? I dont come here often but I'v seen 4 or 5 of these threads about Duncan coming back in the last month or so.. its ridiculous. Duncan is dead.
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Cyne wrote...
Trista Faux Hawke wrote...
EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
I mean, if Anders and Leliana can escape death...
It'd be pretty cool to see Duncan return as the Grey Warden party member. A mentor to the PC like Wynne was to the Warden, just less annoying.
Thoughts?
Dude I already tried to post a thread on this and David Gaider told me no.
Edit: I just went back to read all the comments and - yep - there's Gaider. He told you no, too.
Gaider - just surprise us all with Duncan as a practical joke. jk.
or even an in game message from him. Duncan was a great character & I miss his voice actor
Truth. He was a great character. He really didn't get much screen time. He was the first real character everyone had to connect with at the start of their Dragon Age adventures. His death wasn't boo-hoo sad or anything, it was just questionable because of the way it was animated, all Soprano-style. I suppose that was for dramatic effect, but with the whole tradition of having characters pop up out of nowhere in later games (Leliana, Alistair, Zevran, Anders, Flemeth, etc.) it made a bunch of people wonder if/when Duncan will pop up.
The fact of the matter is... having Duncan show up in DA3 would be 100 times more dramatic than his quickie death in the beginning of DAO. But, the devs want him to stay dead, so that's their prerogative.
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Posté 30 octobre 2012 - 04:26
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Trista Faux Hawke wrote...
Truth. He was a great character. He really didn't get much screen time. He was the first real character everyone had to connect with at the start of their Dragon Age adventures. His death wasn't boo-hoo sad or anything, it was just questionable because of the way it was animated, all Soprano-style. I suppose that was for dramatic effect, but with the whole tradition of having characters pop up out of nowhere in later games (Leliana, Alistair, Zevran, Anders, Flemeth, etc.) it made a bunch of people wonder if/when Duncan will pop up.
No, I think they were pretty clear. Bleeding from a wound that would have been lethal in the middle ages, no mage in sight, axe coming for head, later we find out he was at the end of the Warden life span. He is dead. Several times.
The fact of the matter is... having Duncan show up in DA3 would be 100 times more dramatic than his quickie death in the first chapter of DAO. But, the devs want him to stay dead, so that's their prerogative.
It is. Besides, how would he have survived that?
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Welsh Inferno wrote...
eyesofastorm wrote...
David Gaider wrote...
Maclimes wrote...
Apparently, at the very least, you need to at least get the voice actor back or something. People love Duncan.
No, I really don't need to do that. Duncan shall not be returning in any capacity. If someone loves him so much, they'll let him rest. And that is the final word on the subject.
Why do you hate Duncan so much!?
Eh? Where do you get that he hates him from that? I dont come here often but I'v seen 4 or 5 of these threads about Duncan coming back in the last month or so.. its ridiculous. Duncan is dead.
lol. It's not that ridiculous. The devs set themselves up for failure on convincing audiences that Duncan was dead. They used a dramatic fade-to-black effect on his death scene. Had I never found these forums, I would have continued to wonder if Duncan were coming back, based on the fact that so many other characters return out of nowhere, coupled with the fact that no one actually saw Duncan die. Gaider now has to run around and say that Duncan is dead - which is unfortunate, but hardly audience's faults for asking.
Not everyone follows these forums, and some users are brand new, and they are going to ask the same questions that have been asked before. It's not ridiculous - it's a legitimate question, and far more reasonable to ask than say, "Can we HAVE BABIES in DA3?" or something like that.
I think people need to stop getting huffy over the question. It's a reasonable question and newer DA fans (as well as fans who do not troll the forums each and everyday) will continue to ask it.
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It is. Besides, how would he have survived that?
Space Magic™
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Yeah that Hurlock did him a huge favor by ending him quickly compared to the Calling.Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
Trista Faux Hawke wrote...
Truth. He was a great character. He really didn't get much screen time. He was the first real character everyone had to connect with at the start of their Dragon Age adventures. His death wasn't boo-hoo sad or anything, it was just questionable because of the way it was animated, all Soprano-style. I suppose that was for dramatic effect, but with the whole tradition of having characters pop up out of nowhere in later games (Leliana, Alistair, Zevran, Anders, Flemeth, etc.) it made a bunch of people wonder if/when Duncan will pop up.
No, I think they were pretty clear. Bleeding from a wound that would have been lethal in the middle ages, no mage in sight, axe coming for head, later we find out he was at the end of the Warden life span. He is dead. Several times.The fact of the matter is... having Duncan show up in DA3 would be 100 times more dramatic than his quickie death in the first chapter of DAO. But, the devs want him to stay dead, so that's their prerogative.
It is. Besides, how would he have survived that?
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Welsh Inferno wrote...
Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
It is. Besides, how would he have survived that?
Space Magic™
No space mages in sight either.
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It is. Besides, how would he have survived that?
A Griffon sent by the time travellin OGB swooped down and resued him?
Then the OGB (who is actually Sandal..... somehow) gave Duncan Mage pants which he distributed to all of thedas on the back of the griffon. This ended the mage templar confict because mages suffered far less up-robe drafts and were much happier, leading the templars changing their focus from mage chasing to hair dressing, in turn leading to the player character in DA3 having a far less hideous hair styles.
Also, Cullen is a LI and Shepard is the maker.
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Duncan was quite the ass who would do anything for the gray wardens and I wished nothing more to stab him but yet the darkspawn got to him before my charecter.
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withneelandi wrote...
Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
It is. Besides, how would he have survived that?
A Griffon sent by the time travellin OGB swooped down and resued him?
Then the OGB (who is actually Sandal..... somehow) gave Duncan Mage pants which he distributed to all of thedas on the back of the griffon. This ended the mage templar confict because mages suffered far less up-robe drafts and were much happier, leading the templars changing their focus from mage chasing to hair dressing, in turn leading to the player character in DA3 having a far less hideous hair styles.
Also, Cullen is a LI and Shepard is the maker.
Do you know how stupid that sounds? Seriously, mages with pants?
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No, I think they were pretty clear. Bleeding from a wound that would have been lethal in the middle ages, no mage in sight, axe coming for head, later we find out he was at the end of the Warden life span. He is dead. Several times.
First of all, there is no middle ages in Thedas. There was no Marco Polo, Joan of Arc, Vlad Dracul, King Louis IX, OR Johann Gutenberg. It's fantasy and there is a fantasy-based history, with fantasy characters, fantasy environments, and fantasy elements, and yadda yadda so forth.
There's no middle age, stone age, dark age, iron age, ice age, and so forth. It's DRAGON age, lol. Come on River! (just giving you trouble)
Anyway, what you've said about the severity of the bleeding and the "no mage in sight" is speculation on your part. The severity was never determined (was there a doctor standing over Duncan?) and who was keeping track of the mage head-count?
You're correct about Duncan being close to the end of his grey warden years. But, no one ever gave a number on how many years he had left. He could have had 2 years left, or he could have had 12 years. I don't remember anyone giving a numeric prognosis. Either way, a Warden's life expectancy is simply a lot shorter than someone who lives to be 90-100 years old - which Duncan was nowhere near that age, hence the drawback to being a Warden.
The only concrete evidence that Duncan is dead is hearing it straight from David Gaider. And that's why we see so many "Will Duncan Return?" threads. Bioware goofed up. People will continue to ask. Time to come to terms with that...
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Posté 30 octobre 2012 - 04:48
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Will he return as a ghost???
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Trista Faux Hawke wrote...
Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
No, I think they were pretty clear. Bleeding from a wound that would have been lethal in the middle ages, no mage in sight, axe coming for head, later we find out he was at the end of the Warden life span. He is dead. Several times.
First of all, there is no middle ages in Thedas. There was no Marco Polo, Joan of Arc, Vlad Dracul, King Louis IX, OR Johann Gutenberg. It's fantasy and there is a fantasy-based history, with fantasy characters, fantasy environments, and fantasy elements, and yadda yadda so forth.
With technology about at middle ages levels. The only thing Thedas has to make medicine more effective is magic, more on that below.
Edit: Yes, I realize that. Just in case someone is actually serious about this, though.There's no middle age, stone age, dark age, iron age, ice age, and so forth. It's DRAGON age, lol. Come on River! (just giving you trouble)
Anyway, what you've said about the severity of the bleeding and the "no mage in sight" is speculation on your part. The severity was never determined and who was keeping track of the mage head-count?
I didn't see a mage, and since the only ones around were circle mages, it'd be a tough sell that they didn't report it to the Circle. And in the abscence of one, the severity of the bleeding isn't the only issue. Back then, an infection was essentially death. Worse if the intestines are mangled. We figured out to handle that during a Cold War Police action. Thedas can do it magically (I think), but again, I didn't see a mage anywhere near Duncan. Then there's the axe. The party healer in Dragon Age II sarcastically lists reattaching a severed head as impossible for the sake of an analogy.
You're correct about Duncan being close to the end of his grey warden years. But, no one ever gave a number on how many years he had left. He could have had 2 years left, or he could have had 12 years. I don't remember anyone giving a numeric prognosis. Either way, a Warden's life expectancy is simply a lot shorter than someone who lives to be 90-100 years old - which Duncan was nowhere near that age, hence the drawback to being a Warden.
He was hearing the calling. My impression is that kind of nixes being alive 12 years later, and if memory serves the game is set 13 years later.
Time to move on.
Good idea.
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Consdiering that a Warden often only have about 20 years to live after his initiation, having 12 left, would not be "near his calling". Furthermore Duncan's death scene was not a "fade to black", it was an adrupt white screen, which traditionally have been used to signify death. So the Devs made it pretty clear that Duncan was dead to everybody, except a delusional few.
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Trista Faux Hawke wrote...
Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
No, I think they were pretty clear. Bleeding from a wound that would have been lethal in the middle ages, no mage in sight, axe coming for head, later we find out he was at the end of the Warden life span. He is dead. Several times.
First of all, there is no middle ages in Thedas. There was no Marco Polo, Joan of Arc, Vlad Dracul, King Louis IX, OR Johann Gutenberg. It's fantasy and there is a fantasy-based history, with fantasy characters, fantasy environments, and fantasy elements, and yadda yadda so forth.
With technology about at middle ages levels. The only thing Thedas has to make medicine more effective is magic, more on that below.There's no middle age, stone age, dark age, iron age, ice age, and so forth. It's DRAGON age, lol. Come on River! (just giving you trouble)
Anyway, what you've said about the severity of the bleeding and the "no mage in sight" is speculation on your part. The severity was never determined and who was keeping track of the mage head-count?
I didn't see a mage, and since the only ones around were circle mages, it'd be a tough sell that they didn't report it to the Circle. And in the abscence of one, the severity of the bleeding isn't the only issue. Back then, an infection was essentially death. Worse if the intestines are mangled. We figured out to handle that during a Cold War Police action. Thedas can do it magically (I think), but again, I didn't see a mage anywhere near Duncan. Then there's the axe. The party healer in Dragon Age II sarcastically lists reattaching a severed head as impossible for the sake of an analogy.You're correct about Duncan being close to the end of his grey warden years. But, no one ever gave a number on how many years he had left. He could have had 2 years left, or he could have had 12 years. I don't remember anyone giving a numeric prognosis. Either way, a Warden's life expectancy is simply a lot shorter than someone who lives to be 90-100 years old - which Duncan was nowhere near that age, hence the drawback to being a Warden.
He was hearing the calling. My impression is that kind of nixes being alive 12 years later, and if memory serves the game is set 13 years later.Time to move on.
Good idea.
Hey, obviously he's dead so the argument is over. Once people are told that he's dead, they tend to shut up about it. Thing is, if people aren't told this, it's pretty common for the thought to pop into their heads: "Is Duncan still alive?"
That's all I'm defending. It's not a ridiculous question, unless people ask it after being personally told (by Gaider) that yes, he is dead. lol. Then it's ridiculous.
Also your no mage stuff and bleeding stuff is still wild speculation - just as wild as those who speculate that Duncan could still be alive. Your speculations, however, land on the correct answer - yes, he is dead. But, still, everything you've posed above was concocted in your own mind. So, the extent of your assumptions are no better/worse than those of someone who concocted a scenario in which Duncan lives. The problem is... we (or at least I) don't actually know how Duncan died - assumably it was the axe, BUT he could have gotten away and died from the Calling. Or from infection. OR for some weird reason he was cured by a mage hiding beneath an ogre carcass, then he got away, tripped, and fell off a cliff. Who the hell knows? It's all speculation. That's my point. The death is an established fact. The transition from life to death is a grey area...
Unless Gaider would like to step in here and explain how he died. Most likely it was the axe to the head. No speculation needed. Maybe they should have shown it to avoid all this confusion. People will always consider alternative possibilities if they aren't flat out SHOWN what happened. That's human nature.
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I hope Jory is kicking his ass in valhalla or heaven or where ever they are.
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If we somehow ended up in a fade dream of Alistair, Duncan appearing might make sense. But I don't really see much likelihood of that, and virtually everyone else who knew him would seem to be dead.
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Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
withneelandi wrote...
Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
It is. Besides, how would he have survived that?
A Griffon sent by the time travellin OGB swooped down and resued him?
Then the OGB (who is actually Sandal..... somehow) gave Duncan Mage pants which he distributed to all of thedas on the back of the griffon. This ended the mage templar confict because mages suffered far less up-robe drafts and were much happier, leading the templars changing their focus from mage chasing to hair dressing, in turn leading to the player character in DA3 having a far less hideous hair styles.
Also, Cullen is a LI and Shepard is the maker.
Do you know how stupid that sounds? Seriously, mages with pants?
Tis a good point.
I should, of course, have said mage trousers.
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Consdiering that a Warden often only have about 20 years to live after his initiation, having 12 left, would not be "near his calling". Furthermore Duncan's death scene was not a "fade to black", it was an adrupt white screen, which traditionally have been used to signify death. So the Devs made it pretty clear that Duncan was dead to everybody, except a delusional few.
Traditionally? Really? That's news to me. Also, sorry I couldn't remember if the screen went black or white - still it doesn't mean anything. The point was that the death wasn't shown, and that's why people end up posing speculations about whether or not Duncan died.
Also your statement about 20 years after initiation is wrong. You just cut the Warden lifespan nearly in half, my friend.
"They have about thirty years to live give or take a few after their Joining." In Dragon Age Journeys Martine tells the player character that Grey Warden's after 40 years of service goes to the Deep Roads for the remainder of their lives fighting the Darkspawn until the taint over takes them or killed by the Darkspawn. That is quite a bit of difference in lifespan. --Revan's Exile 03:46, November 30, 2009 (UTC)"
^^^ Point is... there's disagreement over the actual lifespan and 20 years is definitely not how long they live.
Also the Calling doesn't necessarily cause death. It essentially turns a Warden into a Darkspawn.
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So many people want Duncan back in a game... there's only one thing to do...
PREEEEQUEEEEEEEEEEL
PREEEEQUEEEEEEEEEEL
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Trista Faux Hawke wrote...
Hey, obviously he's dead so the argument is over. Once people are told that he's dead, they tend to shut up about it. Thing is, if people aren't told this, it's pretty common for the thought to pop into their heads: "Is Duncan still alive?"
If that was universally the point where they shut up about it, we wouldn't be on this thread.
That's all I'm defending. It's not a ridiculous question, unless people ask it after being personally told (by Gaider) that yes, he is dead. lol. Then it's ridiculous.
Also your no mage stuff and bleeding stuff is still wild speculation - just as wild as those who speculate that Duncan could still be alive. Your speculations, however, land on the correct answer - yes, he is dead. But, still, everything you've posed above was concocted in your own mind. So, the extent of your assumptions are no better/worse than those of someone who concocted a scenario in which Duncan lives. The problem is... we (or at least I) don't actually know how Duncan died - assumably it was the axe, BUT he could have gotten away and died from the Calling. Or from infection. OR for some weird reason he was cured by a mage hiding beneath an ogre carcass, then he got away, tripped, and fell off a cliff. Who the hell knows? It's all speculation. That's my point. The death is an established fact. The transition from life to death is a grey area...
The thing is, though my speculations are simply me listing all the different ways he should be dead. Trying to save him would involve coming up with reasons why none of that worked. Including the Calling. So like I said, even without Gaider, dead.
They did. That's what I'm saying.Unless Gaider would like to step in here and explain how he died. Most likely it was the axe to the head. No speculation needed. Maybe they should have shown it to avoid all this confusion.
People will always consider alternative possibilities if they aren't flat out SHOWN what happened. That's human nature.
Personally, I blame all the media where people aren't dead unless you see the body.
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It's rather silly that I have to keep repeating this, but:
Duncan is dead. He will not be coming back. Ever.
This just in: Duncan is alive and will appear in DA3.
