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[argan1985]

I've been away from these boards for a few years, and I can hardly believe my eyes now that I'm back. It seems at least a third of all game threads are in some way related to the romance options in the game. I can't believe that this is what RPGs have come to focus on.

Remember BG2? That was done in a good way, the romance was there as something in the background; adding a little bit to the story of the Bhaalspawn, if you will. But the way it was done in DA2 and the way it is focused on in "Things you want for Dragon Age 3"-threads is staggering.

Please, focus on the core gameplay mechanics and create a good RPG instead of spending a lot of resources on what in my opinion should just be secondary content.

I have a feeling that a lot of you may disagree with me, but it just feels like there are many other areas where resources would be better spent.

[David Gaider]

argan1985 wrote...
I've been away from these boards for a few years, and I can hardly believe my eyes now that I'm back. It seems at least a third of all game threads are in some way related to the romance options in the game. I can't believe that this is what RPGs have come to focus on.

From the number of threads, yeah, you'd almost think that romances were what the game's all about.

They're not, obviously. It's optional content, but content with some very dedicated fans who like to discuss it at length. Like any topics that tend to get zeroed on here, once a group is caught up in a discussion the rest of the game seems like it doesn't even exist... pretty normal, from my experience, and not news to us at BioWare. I can safely say that romance will have no greater and no lesser place than in any of our recent titles.

Modifié par David Gaider, 24 septembre 2012 - 08:27 .

[David Gaider]

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...
Well I am glad to hear that   it will be in the game   as  per   what you have been doing normally .  I am concerned by your statement means  that you are  not  going  to try to improve  on what you have been doing and add substantially more  content , options and resources  ,

I Personally I would like to  see  the romance  contented   minimum  of at least  doubled to what you  have done  in previous games,

Adding double the content would require it to be a much more important part of the game. We're not going to do that. If that's your estimation of what it would take to make the romances "better", then they're going to have to remain as good as they are now.

Which doesn't mean we won't make changes to how we go about them (as we always do, from game to game), but doubling the content certainly isn't on the table.

[Mary Kirby]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

It's just the amount of romance threads are ridiculous. Why not make an official romance thread or something?

The game has only just been announced, and so far, the only things revealed have been the name and the engine. There's not much for people to discuss apart from their wishlists. Once some actual features are announced, I'm sure you'll see dozens of threads disecting those instead. 

[David Gaider]

The Hierophant wrote...
So i guess we are stuck in Limbo until then?

Indeed. Until we do more than simply announce the game and actually start providing some info, 95% of the threads on this forum will be speculation.

You're welcome.

[David Gaider]

hhh89 wrote...
Do you enjoy watch the threads about story speculation

I have a peculiar ability-- if there's a thread that looks like it's something that will make me roll my eyes, I'll just avoid it. Or not, depending on how masochistic I feel at that moment.

and how far they are from the true story (IF they are far )?

Every now and again some of the speculation is correct-- but even a dead clock is bound to be right at least twice a day.

[David Gaider]

schalafi wrote...

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

Of all the writers to choose from, you had to pick the one that has publicly stated his hatred of romances?

I've been hearing this a lot. I've known Chris Avellon to say he personally prefers "tragic romances" over the "happily ever after" type (a preference I share personally), but I've never known him to say with 100% conviction that he hates all romantic sub-plots.

Can someone *finally* give me a link to confirm his hatred of romances?

http://www.gamebansh...-interview.html

Considering that "Planescape: Torment" was born of Chris's hatred of fantasy tropes, I'd personally really like to see what could come of his hatred of romances. I say inundate the Project Eternity threads with romance requests until he succumbs and writes it personally, smoldering with hate the entire time.

It'll be brilliant.

[David Gaider]

Dirty **** wrote...
I feel like romances are good as icing but a lot of people seem to treat it as the cake...and from reading these forums i get the impression that the DA franshise is slowly being hijacked by people who would prefer a dating game rather than a fantasy rpg.

I take it you don't give the developers credit at being able to discern for ourselves what might be a good idea? To be honest, this seems like the same kind of panicked thinking that prompts people to slap down ideas they don't agree with... because what if the developers get the wrong idea?

We know romances are popular. Not liking them won't make them less popular. Lots of threads by the same people also won't make us turn the game into the romance simulator. We're well aware the forums are a big fishbowl, and anything said here is taken with a giant grain of salt.

[David Gaider]

glenboy24 wrote...
However, before people start lumping Gaider and his team in with Chris just because he's gotten a mention here, keep in mind that both teams consist of, and are led, by brilliant writers and that they are two different kinds of teams that likely look upon certain narrative elements differently. While we know David leans close (me thinks) to Chris's mindset of preferring Romances that kick you in the Balls, other DA Writers Pit Warriors think differently, and David isn't going to poop on them just because he doesn't like Happy Ending Romances.

This is incredibly funny to me, just because on the spectrum of "happy romance ending" to "OHGODOHGODWHY ending" I tend to fall more towards the former than most of the other writers. Which means I tend to end up taking that side of the argument whenever the other writers are involved.

I mean, Luke? Luke will cut you ****es. And he'll like it a lot. Mary will gleefully rain hellfire down on the fans in general, and they will love her and despair. Jennifer pursues grim finality with sheer determination, and Sheryl just sort of swings around her plot hammer like some writer version of Harley Quinn. It's frightening, most days, to think that I OF ALL PEOPLE end up taking the "gee, guys, let's not cut off both their legs, gosh" end of the discussion. It's a bizarre place for me to be.

Thankfully, Sylvia is now here to push things towards the Light Side. She likes puppies and wildflowers and sunshine. With Luke whispering in her ear, of course, it's only a matter of time...

Modifié par David Gaider, 25 septembre 2012 - 05:05 .

[Sheryl Chee]

David Gaider wrote...

I mean, Luke? Luke will cut you ****es. And he'll like it a lot. Mary will gleefully rain hellfire down on the fans in general, and they will love her and despair. Jennifer pursues grim finality with sheer determination, and Sheryl just sort of swings around her plot hammer like some writer version of Harley Quinn. 

Really, what's the point of creating characters if you can't make them miserable?

[Sheryl Chee]

M25105 wrote...

Why do you have that avatar Sheryl?

Because I'm actually a talking dollar bill. Now you know.

[David Gaider]

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...
All i am really asking for  is that  Romance interactions  join the  plate  even something  like I  presented in this thread would make a  world of difference's

Romances already take up a big chunk of content. They're not intended to take an equal place to the other pillars of the game, nor will they ever. We don't want to make them a bigger part of the game, so repeatedly suggesting how making them bigger would make them awesome is a bit beside the point.

[David Gaider]

chrissicross wrote...
OMG. Save her from the dark side then!!

Meh. It's kind of fun to watch, actually. Eventually Sheryl and Sylvia will need to duel with light sabers over who assumes Luke's Mantle of Despair. I'm calling it now.

[Sylvf]

David Gaider wrote...

chrissicross wrote...
OMG. Save her from the dark side then!!

Meh. It's kind of fun to watch, actually. Eventually Sheryl and Sylvia will need to duel with light sabers over who assumes Luke's Mantle of Despair. I'm calling it now.

Man, I don't like where this is going.

[Tonia Laird]

LolaLei wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

chrissicross wrote...
OMG. Save her from the dark side then!!

Meh. It's kind of fun to watch, actually. Eventually Sheryl and Sylvia will need to duel with light sabers over who assumes Luke's Mantle of Despair. I'm calling it now.

What about Tonia? Is she part of the dark side? Or does she use the force?

I enjoy the misery of others, as most writers do.

[Mary Kirby]

argan1985 wrote...

So I'm a "whiny fan" because I express my opinion on what appears to be a bad trend? I am sure they will take the majority of the opinion of the fans here into consideration.

We understand that not all our fans want romance in their story, which is why they have always been optional. I would really not worry that romances will impact the core gameplay experience. I know this is not evident to those looking on from outside, but from a development standpoint, not all zots are created equal. Romance content is created exclusively by writing and cinematic design. None of those people work on the combat rules or encounter designs or level design. A writing zot is not equivalent to a level art zot or a system design zot.  There are trades we can make to lighten the load on another department, but this is not actually one of them.

[David Gaider]

marshalleck wrote...
Welcome to the internet, grow a thicker skin.

No, sorry. "That's just the Internet" is not an excuse to be an ass, and it's only the default if everyone permits it to be.

You and everyone will watch your tone when addressing anyone on these forums, and attempts to sweep into a thread you don't like and get it locked by being aggressively rude will earn you a ban-- and eventually a permanent denial of the right to post here.

This is just a warning. Keep it respectful, folks.

Modifié par David Gaider, 25 septembre 2012 - 09:20 .

[David Gaider]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Romances have always been pretty bit-part and insignificant, despite what fans make it to be. What needs to be toned down are these thread.

Suddenly there's panic on both sides. Some think that, because there's a bunch of romance-related threads (because what else do people have to discuss? Unless their panic is that people aren't ****ing enough any longer? HOW DARE THEY BE EXCITED!) that we developers will become mesmerized and suddenly alter the game to make it all about romance.

And then others think that, because there are people shouting to get rid of or sideline the already-optional romances, we will suddenly nod our heads and go "we always do what people on the forums tell us to, so okey-dokey!"

Breathe, people. If you panic like this now, how are you going to make it through the period that still remains before any real info comes out? Gosh.

Modifié par David Gaider, 26 septembre 2012 - 02:48 .

[Allan Schumacher]

Please stop with the bickering. I know the forum is a stage and all and we all love our audiences, but this isn't productive.

Cheap shots from either side aren't necessary.

[Allan Schumacher]

Unlikely.