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[Renmiri1]

Crotchpunchr wrote...

I just want the romance to be a little harder to pursue than they were in DA2. And Make the people in the romances actually sound like they like the protagonist.

DA2 romances were awesome.

@OP: No

[EpicBoot2daFace]

There seems to be a group of people who won't buy a BioWare game if romances are removed. I wonder how big this group is in relation to people who actually like playing the games?

[Renmiri1]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

There seems to be a group of people who won't buy a BioWare game if romances are removed. I wonder how big this group is in relation to people who actually like playing the games?

So they are mutually exclusive ?


Nice to know, guess you are a Mass Effect hater then ? Since you romanced Ashley you couldn't possibly like playing the game.<_<

Modifié par Renmiri1, 08 avril 2013 - 03:18 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Renmiri1 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

There seems to be a group of people who won't buy a BioWare game if romances are removed. I wonder how big this group is in relation to people who actually like playing the games?

So they are mutually exclusive ?


Nice to know, guess you are a Mass Effect hater then ? Since you romanced Ashley you couldn't possibly like playing the game.<_<

If a person or many people say "I won't buy the game if romances are removed", that means they obviously don't care about the rest of the game very much.

[Allan Schumacher]

Please stop with the bickering. I know the forum is a stage and all and we all love our audiences, but this isn't productive.

Cheap shots from either side aren't necessary.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Please stop with the bickering. I know the forum is a stage and all and we all love our audiences, but this isn't productive.

Cheap shots from either side aren't necessary.

I thought I was being civil.

[Renmiri1]

As civil as a boot to da face 

People dislike having their stance reduced to a incorrect one liner. You misinterpreted the post from the other thread, the poster never said the only thing he likes on BW games is romance.

I'm no mind reader - neither are you - but in my case, since I think similarly, the issue is if the rest of the game is indistinguishable - or barely so - from the competition. If that is the case, then my option to buy Bioware games is reduced to how well I like their UNIQUE features and romance is one of the things Bioware does really well. Uniquely so.

No Romance ? Then I might decide for Bioshock Infinite, Deliverance, Remember Me and other games that intrigue me. Is not a dislike of Bioware games. Is and abundance of interesting games to play and a limited ammount of free hours to play them.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 08 avril 2013 - 03:59 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Renmiri1 wrote...

As civil as a boot to da face 

People dislike having their stance reduced to a incorrect one liner. You misinterpreted the post from the other thread, the poster never said the only thing he likes on BW games is romance.

I'm no mind reader - neither are you - but in my case, since I think similarly, the issue is if the rest of the game is indistinguishable - or barely so - from the competition. If that is the case, then my option to buy Bioware games is reduced to how well I like their UNIQUE features and romance is one of the things Bioware does really well. Uniquely so.

No Romance ? Then I might decide for Bioshock Infinite, Deliverance, Remember Me and other games that intrigue me. Is not a dislike of Bioware games. Is and abundance of interesting games to play and a limited ammount of free hours to play them.

So, Dragon Age is indistingishable from games like Wicther 2 and Skyrim? If romance is not included, you'll pass and instead purchase a different game. You just proved my point, and that is that there are people out there who won't buy the game if romance is not included.

[Bfler]

You can't remove them and the party interactions, because it is the only thing, which makes their latest games worth buying.
The rest in ME3 and DA2 is mediocre at best. The Citadel DLC and Omega are a good examples for that. People like the first one, but in general don't like the second one.

[Renmiri1]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
. You just proved my point, and that is that there are people out there who won't buy the game if romance is not included.

Agreed.

But you missed the reasoning and you keep reducing it to a misleading one liner.

Personally:
* Combat: I don't like DA combat. ME is fun but not unique lots of good combat sp out there, particularly shooters. I don't buy sp games for the combat, but if I would Bioware would not be among my top 5.
* Story: Bioware is unique in terms of depth and companions. But if that is removed, then ME3 was below mediocre in terms of story and a good book is a better way for me to spend my time if I crave story. Or Netflix ! DA is really good but I'm a bit burned out on elves and dragons and such. Would rather have something cyberpunk or steampunk or sci-fi.
* Graphics: I love DA2 style, ME was meh and DAO was meh. Bioware is among my top 5 but there is a lot of good stuff out there. Deliverance looks AMAZING
* UI: Not something I buy games because of. Unless it is real bad like Skyrim but they had a mod for their clunky inventory system real fast. Bioware UI is ok but not remarkably so
* Music: Love DAO and DA2 but I can just buy the soundtrack. Besides, there is lots of good stuff out there and Nobuo Uematsu rules above all 

What else do you consider when buying a game ?

Modifié par Renmiri1, 08 avril 2013 - 04:51 .

[Amycus89]

It's really no wonder why so many threads here are on the subject of romancable companions, because that's pretty much the only thing we can be fairly certain will be in the game right now. They havn't released very much information about it yet after all.

That being said, I really disliked having the heart icons tell me "press this to win". If it had been handled a bit differently it could have worked, like having several "heart" options at once, where only one really leads to romance, or having romantic interests that only take notice in you if you IGNORE the heart option and play hard-to-get or something by acting renegade instead.

Otherwise the Da2 romances were completely ok. My only minor complaint would be Anders that came out a bit strongly (I just wanna be your friend, don't hate me for that ;_. I'm completely ok if they make him bisexual, but the way he acted when you first meet him still seems, aside from being out of character from him in awakening, a bit desperate.

To random Anders fan: Please stop waving that fork around, 'tis most distuAAAH!!

[Renmiri1]

Bfler wrote...

You can't remove them and the party interactions, because it is the only thing, which makes their latest games worth buying.
The rest in ME3 and DA2 is mediocre at best. The Citadel DLC and Omega are a good examples for that. People like the first one, but in general don't like the second one.

A bit unfair, Leviathan had a really interesting story but little romance. I didn't buy it because I just can't bring myself to play ME3 as it is (with the space ghost, dead Thane, autodialog...) so I just took ME out of my gaming list. But if I could stand playing the core game, I would gladly buy Leviathan and Citadel. I even bought citadel, for modding purposes. 

Amycus89 wrote...

To random Anders fan: Please stop waving that fork around, 'tis most distuAAAH!!

Not a fork mate, sella petrae and drakestone  

Modifié par Renmiri1, 08 avril 2013 - 04:47 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Renmiri1 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
. You just proved my point, and that is that there are people out there who won't buy the game if romance is not included.

Agreed.

But you missed the reasoning and you keep reducing it to a misleading one liner.

Personally:
* Combat: I don't like DA combat. ME is fun but not unique lots of good combat sp out there, particularly shooters. I don't buy sp games for the combat, but if I would Bioware would not be among my top 5.
* Story: Bioware is unique in terms of depth and companions. But if that is removed, then ME3 was below mediocre in terms of story and a good book is a better way for me to spend my time if I crave story. Or Netflix !
* Graphics: I love DA2 style, ME was meh and DAO was meh. Bioware is among my top 5 but there is a lot of good stuff out there. Deliverance looks AMAZING
* UI: Not something I buy games because of. Unless it is real bad like Skyrim but they had a mod for theor clunky inventory system real fast. Bioware UI is ok but not remarkably so
* Music: Love DAO and DA2 but I can just buy the soundtrack. Besides, there is lots of good stuff out there and Nobuo Uematsu rules above all 

What else do you consider when buying a game ?

I see you dodged the first question.

So, now you agree. Okay, well that's progress.

[Sanunes]

Amycus89 wrote...

It's really no wonder why so many threads here are on the subject of romancable companions, because that's pretty much the only thing we can be fairly certain will be in the game right now. They havn't released very much information about it yet after all.

That being said, I really disliked having the heart icons tell me "press this to win". If it had been handled a bit differently it could have worked, like having several "heart" options at once, where only one really leads to romance, or having romantic interests that only take notice in you if you IGNORE the heart option and play hard-to-get or something by acting renegade instead.

Otherwise the Da2 romances were completely ok. My only minor complaint would be Anders that came out a bit strongly (I just wanna be your friend, don't hate me for that ;_. I'm completely ok if they make him bisexual, but the way he acted when you first meet him still seems, aside from being out of character from him in awakening, a bit desperate.

To random Anders fan: Please stop waving that fork around, 'tis most distuAAAH!!

I do agree the dialogue wheel for romances could be worked better and Anders was a little pushy for my liking especially since (as far as I can remember) previous dialogue really doesn't push the romance.  It felt like "hey buddy want to go see the game" and he takes it as a proposal for a relationship.

I hope they go back to romances like Mass Effect 1 with having a more limited number, but it felt like they were given more attention to them because they didn't have to think of having to handle seven in Mass Effect 2 and eight in Mass Effect 3.

[Renmiri1]

...

Trying to be civil here

I agree that I probably wouldn't buy a bioware game without romance.

First question

So, Dragon Age is indistingishable from games like Wicther 2 and Skyrim?

Two games that were not on my list of games I'd buy, and not on my post. Lamentable that you chose to strawmen game names when I gave you 3 to choose from.

I don't buy Witcher. Tried the first game and hated it.

And not willing to repeat myself again. But basically Skyrim graphics >>> Bioware. Combat is better. UI is worse but not that bad with mods. Story is much much worse. But I like the sandbox aspect of it.

IF you are trying to understand, not bash, try reading my previous post again, and answering questions yourself. What do you look for in a game when buying one and why / whether do you think DA delivers this.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 08 avril 2013 - 05:00 .

[Avroseeker]

I'm personally one of those people who really gets attached to characters only if they are written well (to me at least )and have an interesting personality to them. And for me the romances add a little bit of depth to the character, you learn more about them through the whole ordeal. And maybe the LI changes the way I view my character. And my character grows into someone I wasn't expecting at first, but in the end really enjoy playing through the game with.

If depth in general isn't there for me, I don't give a crap about the character and what they are doing. The Hungers Games, a little girl dies that I only read about for a couple of chapters and knew barely anything about...ahh...*sob?* (Yes I have no soul...I know) 50 Shades of Grey a man and woman who are both blander then a piece of paper are bonky each other ever 5mins. That just doesn't work for me.

(I get a little bit of butterflies in the stomach and sometimes even look away when my character interact with a LI because it feels like I'm intruding on their moment. (My first playthrough of DA2...man Anders...I never expected you to go all face hugger on Hawke as you commence to make out with her like you were eating a giant big mac. I was surprise that a chest bruster didn't erupt from her the next day. Sure it's funny to me now but the first time...I was racing to close the blinds, slamming the door because I thought pants and robes would be flying across the screen at any moment. So no one would see my embarrassment to the whole ordeal. 50 Shades read all three on my breaks at work...didn't care on little bit who noticed.

Anyways random crap aside I really like the romance, but if it was removed I would still buy the game. I want to explore the world of Dragon Age and Mass Effect, because it's something that I enjoy doing with or without a LI by my characters side. The romance is just a nice little sprinkle on already amazing cake.

[Uccio]

argan1985 wrote...

I've been away from these boards for a few years, and I can hardly believe my eyes now that I'm back. It seems at least a third of all game threads are in some way related to the romance options in the game. I can't believe that this is what RPGs have come to focus on.

Remember BG2? That was done in a good way, the romance was there as something in the background; adding a little bit to the story of the Bhaalspawn, if you will. But the way it was done in DA2 and the way it is focused on in "Things you want for Dragon Age 3"-threads is staggering.

Please, focus on the core gameplay mechanics and create a good RPG instead of spending a lot of resources on what in my opinion should just be secondary content.

I have a feeling that a lot of you may disagree with me, but it just feels like there are many other areas where resources would be better spent.

Vade retro heretic!

[Maria Caliban]

argan1985 wrote...

I've been away from these boards for a few years, and I can hardly believe my eyes now that I'm back. It seems at least a third of all game threads are in some way related to the romance options in the game. I can't believe that this is what RPGs have come to focus on.

I can't believe you didn't notice the preponderance of romance threads a few years ago.

[Bfler]

Renmiri1 wrote...

A bit unfair, Leviathan had a really interesting story but little romance. I didn't buy it because I just can't bring myself to play ME3 as it is (with the space ghost, dead Thane, autodialog...) so I just took ME out of my gaming list. But if I could stand playing the core game, I would gladly buy Leviathan and Citadel. I even bought citadel, for

No it isn't unfair. Omega reveals, what is wrong with the game and it's mechanics, if you exclude the squad mates. Citadel is the opposite. Almost only squad banter and romance and suddenly people love it.

[LilyasAvalon]

Milan92 wrote...

Tune up the romances! ......please?

Dis. All of dis.

In all seriousness though, I understand what OP is talking about.

But, you know the wonderful thing about the BW romances? THEY'RE COMPLETELY OPTIONAL. And the story does NOT hinder with lack of one. We still get great characterisation, story, conflict, etc. Look at Varric, you can't romance him and everyone loves that dwarf.

People just respond very well to the romances/friendships/characters/whatever. It's a good marketting point and I honestly can say a good reason why I love Bioware games so much is admittedly how work they put into their characters.

Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 08 avril 2013 - 07:08 .

[Plaintiff]

I can't say I definitely wouldn't buy DA3 if romances were removed, but it would certainly make it less likely.

I like Dragon Age a lot, but what about it actually stands out? Good stories and interesting characters I can find elsewhere, pseudo-medieval fantasy settings are a dime a dozen. Comabt? Every game has combat, and Dragon Age doesn't exactly have the best system I've ever seen.

What Dragon Age offers me personally, that other games do not, is the romances: specifically, homosexual romances, and the ability to roleplay as a homosexual.

Do you know how many homosexual portagonists and homosexual romances there are, not just in games but in fiction generally? Because it's not very many. And the few that exist are mostly relegated to sitcoms where they're often offensive stereotypes, or "slice of life" dramas, where all their problems revolve around their sexuality, because it is their sole character trait. 

The gay guy never gets to go on adventures, the gay guy never gets to be a hero. Heck, the gay guy is lucky if he hasn't killed himself by the end of the story.

I started playing Dragon Age because it offered me something that virtually no other game does: the opportunity to be gay and a hero and enjoy a relationship that doesn't suffer from negative stigma. If Bioware took that feature away, I would be extremely disappointed, and it would severely affect my enjoyment of the series.

So yeah, I would very likely abandon Dragon Age if it dropped gay romance content. That feature is important to me.

I know other people on this forum, who've said they would abandon the series over minor things like bowstrings, or the pace of the combat, or the inclusion/exclusion of a certain character and so on ad infinitum. Yet many of those same people would say my reason for ditching the series is "stupid" or wrong, when the things that would cause them to abandon Dragon Age are equally trivial.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 08 avril 2013 - 07:36 .

[Rodia Driftwood]

This thread's getting locked by the end of the night, and there'll be at least 10 bans issued.

I'm calling it.

[Allan Schumacher]

Unlikely.

[Battlebloodmage]

Romances are all optional contents. I don't mind if they have less of it if it's high quality. I'd take quality over quantity any day. If it's not in the game at all, I'd be disappointed, but it wouldn't affect my decision to purchase the game.

[kumquats]

Romances are nice to have, in the last two games I really enjoyed them a lot. They are fun.
But there have been BW games, I didn't like anyone and I was so glad the romances, were only optional.

And it has to be said, that I dearly love ME2, but even I can see, that they were way toooooo many options. In ME3, it became a little bit ridiculous.

BW could tone it down a bit, in terms of quantity and make more quality.
That way, everyone would win.

On the other hand OP, feel free to open a discussion about classes and skills, or Story and Quests.
It's not like you are forced to click on discussions, you aren't interested in. :]

Modifié par kumquats, 08 avril 2013 - 08:01 .