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[Dieover]

Shallina wrote...

The fanboy horde here is clearly worse than any horde of fanboy of any game.

Go play DAO will be the next thing thrown at any player that doesn't agree that the game I prefer isn't the best, beceause when you see the level of the reply we can say that the level of a DAO fanboy is probably the lowest of any game.

The OP made is point and even if he got a dumb name, most of what he says is unforntunatly true.

haha i agree with ya but when this thread didn't end up being lock it indicated those fanboy are just trying to prove their point in a mature and constructive way to that Hit and Run troll which is the OP.

Non the less , there are 2 type of people on this forum that i despise

1. Unregistered user that make review thread, they're like classless system in DAO. Criminal and thief with little education.

2. people never actually beat the game on Hard then coming here to make a review of the game.

[Adnihilis]

Actually, there's something worse: the person who doesn't read the entire thread before posting.



Sorry, man, but we already talked about your "points." And debunked them. Before you bothered to post.



1. Registration has nothing to do with anything. Bioware/EA themselves didn't see it necessary for posting nor critiquing, so why should you? I paid full price for my pre-ordered copy of the game, got it on day one, and played it since. I barely registered the game a few days ago. Obviously, I'm a criminal and a thief, and judging by my posts, someone with little education. In case you miss it, this is sarcasm.



2. Find me any reviewer who beats a game on a hard difficulty. Go ahead. The standard is normal difficulty, and the reason is that the core gameplay does not change. It just becomes harder for those that want more difficulty. That's it. So there's now friendly fire in this game? So? It's not that big a difference to warrant a separate review from a normal difficulty one.



The reason people mention "fanboys" is that certain people seem not to be able to handle any criticism of their "beloved" game, going so far as to try to discredit those people. You can tell me you hate Morrowind, and that's fine. I love the game, but if there were certain things that someone doesn't like about it, I can handle it. Remember? It's all just opinion? Except, you didn't actually read the thread.



And to the guy who said I'm the original poster's mother, now? Good one; hilarious. Seriously, grow up.

[Dieover]

Adnihilis wrote...

2. Find me any reviewer who beats a game on a hard difficulty. Go ahead.

1. Isn't that suppose to be your job?

2. shouldn't you read the whole thread first before asking such obvious question?

3. As for the debunking, it was those fanboy you call debunked the troll points, not the other way around.

and finally you just don't get it why i don't like unregistered user that made this kind of thread do you? and if the OP didn't beat the game through hard, he clearly wasn't able get through Lotherian and this is why he find magic are stronger than melee because mob in the beginning are suppose to to be easy to be suppressed by magic so the players won't struggle but over all he seem to failed all of it. It all come down to common sense but imho nothing beat good suggestion along with a negatives post.

Modifié par Dieover, 30 décembre 2009 - 10:16 .

[Fluffykeith]

"Fanboy" does seem to get thrown about whenever the person can't think up something constructive to say - so they resort to insults instead. Would be nice if people didn't do that...

[Eurypterid]

Dieover wrote...
Non the less , there are 2 type of people on this forum that i despise

1. Unregistered user that make review thread, they're like classless system in DAO. Criminal and thief with little education.

2. people never actually beat the game on Hard then coming here to make a review of the game.

The problem with your two points are:

1) There is no obligation to register your game to post in this forum. Whether or not the game is registered does not add any weight to someone's opinion. As well, it also has no bearing on their level of education. Nor does it mean that person's a thief if they've not registered their game.

2) Whether you play and complete the game on Hard, Nightmare, Normal, or Easy does not have any bearing on your ability to review the game, unless the review deals specifically with the difficulty level.

[Dieover]

Eurypterid wrote...

1) There is no obligation to register your game to post in this forum. Whether or not the game is registered does not add any weight to someone's opinion. As well, it also has no bearing on their level of education. Nor does it mean that person's a thief if they've not registered their game.

2) Whether you play and complete the game on Hard, Nightmare, Normal, or Easy does not have any bearing on your ability to review the game, unless the review deals specifically with the difficulty level.

1. good point

2. it make sense if the players able to beat the game first before complaining about the encounter he can't handle, for instance the Alley encounter was a bit challenge for me but i managed to get through it on my first try base on my defensive set up, but the OP didn't .  So should i agree with his point because the game was to tough for him?

He can easily adapt to his failure and change his tactic, but he didn't even try but instead, made a complain thread about it. That was why i asked him to beat the game first on hard before making a complain thread because those agree with him to me sound like they're stil struggling with the game.

Modifié par Dieover, 30 décembre 2009 - 10:25 .

[Knal1991]

I agree with Eurypterid and Anihilis, and want to add then some people will do anything to refuse to admit that they are wrong or will not listen to you side.... this can escalate into an argument(or fight...whatever) hope someones the bigger man and quit beforehand....and want to add that these opinions about a game could easily be put in a single stickied thread, (if there isn't one. it should be made imo).

[Killian Kalthorne]

I will admit that I am a Bioware fanboy, and I do not like posters who make mindless criticisms. Valid, constructive criticisms are just fine and should be welcomed and debated. Bioware can only improve through constructive criticisms and debates about their games.



Just saying "This Sucks" is not being constructive.

[Dieover]

Knal1991 wrote...

I agree with Eurypterid and Anihilis, and want to add then some people will do anything to refuse to admit that they are wrong or will not listen to you side.... this can escalate into an argument(or fight...whatever) hope someones the bigger man and quit beforehand....and want to add that these opinions about a game could easily be put in a single stickied thread, (if there isn't one. it should be made imo).

I made a post on page 4 that stated

"The OP seem like he's a Hit and run troll with some constructive criticism that glue his bait together for this long hehe

For everyone, just like the previous mod stated: just let this thread die. Don't feed the Hit and run troll

YOU CAN DO IT!"

Its people like you that keep this thread alive.

jk jk

Modifié par Dieover, 30 décembre 2009 - 10:32 .

[Killian Kalthorne]

Wait, didn't you just bumped it up?



Damn it, now I did.



Will it ever end?!?!?!

[XOGHunter246]

All I can say is why tell us you hate a game when you played over 2 days worth of it if you don't like move on....

Also will trends like these end? Answer no.

[Magic Zarim]

Hur dur. DA:O sucks. It stole in excess of 100 hours from my life. Now chew on that, you scummy Bio Boys!

[Kira Knightlee]

Zarim you fail.... by far the most complete and realized rpg experience of all time. Everyone, from jrpg developers to other pcrpg developers should learn one thing or two from the world and lore bioware has created!

[Magic Zarim]

Kira Knightlee wrote...

Zarim you fail.... by far the most complete and realized rpg experience of all time. Everyone, from jrpg developers to other pcrpg developers should learn one thing or two from the world and lore bioware has created!

Hmmm.. either your.. or my sarcasm meter is broken

[F-C]

people are still responding to a post made by "wowisdabomb"



comedy gold.

[Magic Zarim]

The irony, huh?

This thread should be stickied with an irony award graphic

Modifié par Magic Zarim, 30 décembre 2009 - 11:15 .

[Adnihilis]

Dieover, you're agreeing with the moderator, but his are the same points I've already posted in this very thread. In other words, you're agreeing with me. heh Now, if you read those very posts, you'd know....

Again, who cares what anyone's name on this forum is? It's not like that of anyone on here is all that much better (if at all). There are PLENTY of people who could see any given name on here and point and laugh. So what? It's just a name. If the person makes a point, it still holds regardless of the name used.

My only "goal" here is to get some of you to be more constructive with YOUR responses, whatever your allegations regarding the original poster. Otherwise, your claims of higher ground are moot. Ahem. There's your irony.

Modifié par Adnihilis, 30 décembre 2009 - 11:31 .

[DragonRageGT]

See, it's OPs like this that make me bring the Major Troll like I did on page 1... and this is still going...

Adnihilis wrote... Again, since apparently some of you don't read the entire thread before posting, he hasn't "trolled."

While the rest of you post is fair enough for me to disagree without any need to reply, I will to that line now. But I respect you. You're capable to expose your points with good sense without the usual "waaaaaah... game is broken because it does not work the way I wants... bad, bad, bad game!"

Of course he was trolling, Anyone claiming "game is broken" and not research a minimum about why things are going bad for him, then being stupid enough to assume his lack of knowledge on the game makes his statements true, is clearly trolling, which is what I call to trip out of reality... He may not be really trolling, just high on some "lyrium" and obviously didn't take the time to base his opinion on knowledge. He didn't come to the forums and asked "is this really so?"

9 out of 10 of his points are newbie's complaints. I know. I don't think anyone sucked at this game as bad as I did in my first day! I tried to play it like Gothics/Risen/Oblivion where after a few years I had some skills. And stupid me started the first game on "Hard". When I could not get past the very first "yellow" opponent, no matter what I tried. (of course I had no idea of what to try then).  Finally I came to the forums and bloody search function was broken. So I had to post about it. After that I changed diff to Normal and I still sucked. But after some 60 hours into it, lvl 15 char, I recreated it because I realized that I had made a mess with atributes, skills and talents and tactics specially after reading this awesome thread!

This is my very first post on this forum. Hope you can see the difference from a Troll post! (couldn't find it but a quick search on "old post" taught me how! Search works people... use it!)

I just realized today that the person who posted the Tactics Example thread is the very same person who replied to my first post! Thank you again, Grahamers!

And NDAv said:  I clear the Brecilian Forest and Ruins and kill five
revenants along the way, and then, after, for some reason, my party is
forced use the world map to travel back to the Dalish Camp, ...And so, being forced to use the world map, my
party, who had just owned five different revenants, get ambushed and
killed by mere bandits... awesome.

I learned the hard way that what works for Revenants does not always work for bandits. But heck, with the minimum effort I made to learn how to play I can own them all (is using pwn an arrogant thing? =). The minimum effort was a full run in Hard mode, after those first 60 hours, when I still didn't have my C.E. and was playing with a T copy of the game, waiting for my pre-order! I'm pretty honest in saying that I still sucked at the end of that run and I may not have improved much since but a little, yes, I did.

At least my movies with the Brecilian Forest and Ruins encounters in NM are a good reference for me to see a little improvement from the newbie I was even in that hard run, after already done some 60 hours in an unfinished run. In the Hard run those Revenants seemed impossible and then in NM they seemed so easy that I thought some patch had messed with difficulty and posted about it too.

So, I am hardly just a "pegged gushing fanboy" as labeled in some other thread. I have a enourmous critic sense. I apply that in most any areas of my life, including my song-writting. Writters, like DG and some of you our there may know of what I'm talking about. No one is the harder critic of our work than ourselves and thus, at least I believe so, we can be very imparcial and unbiased when criticizing other people's work, hopefully in a constructive manner.

Of the whole 10 points on OP, I agree with #10. I found it so distracting in my non CE run that I ended up running to the "salesman" to sell items every single time I was in the camp. Because of that stupid luring thing over his head tha should be disabled after the first dialogue. How I wish I had a dialogue option like this:  "Hey, I already bought the CE and your DLC is included but frakking EA, as usual in Brazil, will delay release due to "technical" problems for at least 3 weeks! Please get the frak out of my camp or at least have the decency of stop luring me here!"

wowisdabomb wrote...
10. There is always a character in the camp with a neon "!" sign that is always present to 'sell more download content'... shamefull. .. just shamefull..

EDIT: And this is my review of the game on Gamespot!

Modifié par RageGT, 31 décembre 2009 - 12:06 .

[Dieover]

Adnihilis wrote...

Dieover, you're agreeing with the moderator, but his are the same points I've already posted in this very thread. In other words, you're agreeing with me. heh Now, if you read those very posts, you'd know....

I agree with him because trying is futile on a Hit and run Troll.

I made a post on page 1 and i didn't notice your name there. Did you missed the part about me stating the OP can't handle challenging encounter on his first play and give up after a few minutes?

There are some obvious indication that the OP just want Ez-Mode and he sound like he couldn't take on tough challenge while the rest of his list from 1-7 are a complete joke.

8. Tough encounter? I bet he only spec all out damage and never invest points put into any CC.

9. Can't get rich fast enough. He doesn't even know how to make money in a RPG. That guy probably purchase all his gold in Wow with real money if he wanna get rich in DAO without actually earning it , and not to mention he probably spend on useless items excessively to deplete his fund and you don't need to get an extra bag so soon at low lvl, just sale all your junks to make room like i did

and if you're a real gamer, you should know the OP is a troll , but you're defending him not because he make good point but you did it just for the sake of discussion which undermined your intelligent.

Conclusion: There are lots of method to solve his above problem if he bother doing some research just like everyone that enjoy DAO has , and i even suggest something on page 1 to make travel a breeze and since the OP is just a hit and run troll, he'll never take our advice. His lose and yet we're fighting among our self over nothing.

WHY? why can't we get along baby?

[DragonRageGT]

Lol at the money issue. I ended up my latest run with 1900 gold spent, without any cheats! No exploites either. Just 1700 items crafted and not all for sale!

[Adnihilis]

Look, for one thing, this whole "hit and run troll" business doesn't mean much. Like I've said before, we don't know all the details regarding him. He's hit level 12, according to this site, which means he's spent more than a few minutes on the game. For another, I, myself, have posted in threads, then forgotten which ones they were (meaning I hadn't "gone back to them to reply further"). I genuinely think he was annoyed with the game (to a degree), and wanted to express his dissatisfaction.



Just because he's not a forum-diehard (checking and rechecking each forum post he's in) doesn't mean his point has no validity. Again, it was his opinion, and again, he's entitled to it. An opinion isn't wrong. It's just an opinion. As many people here disagree, their point isn't any more valid than his. My interpretation of a troll is someone who posts something argumentative simply to ruffle some feathers and get a rise out of people. THAT is why I don't think this guy's a troll. He just isn't all that into this game, but it's like people refuse to believe that there are such people. People go into this whole smear campaign against anyone that isn't blown away by DAO.



If this entire thread was strictly responded to with civil, mature responses refuting the original poster's points, then the tone of the thread would be very different. I wouldn't have been annoyed at the hypocritical attitudes here espoused. "I like the game, so I'm smart and good and superior. You don't like it? Well, then you're dumb, can't play games, inferior and don't have a right to either criticize or even be here." That's how all this comes across. It's silly. We're all entitled to our opinions, and none of them are wrong because none of them are FACTS. Just...opinions. So, to some I say, let's not treat those opinions like facts.



I wouldn't call myself a "real gamer," but I do spend many hours playing the handful of games that I own. I just don't dedicate my life to video games, nor is it my main hobby. However, it's neither here nor there when it comes to recognizing what motives a person has in posting on a forum. I posted my defense of the guy primarily because I recognize his opinion for such, and the responses to him I've seen warranted me stepping in and throwing in my two cents on the matter. That's not an undermined intelligence, I'm afraid. I'd advise you to not make assumptions on MY motives for posting, especially now that I've overtly given them.



In the end, however, I CAN concede that maybe the guy intentionally wanted to troll. It IS a possibility, since I am not him and can't definitively know what he's after. Regardless, anyone can make the same criticisms he made and posit legitimate points, made legitimate by the very fact they're a person's perspective. You can't argue another person's tastes. You can simply disagree with them. That's different than making character assassinations. Besides, in part, I agree with some of what he says, and I'm certainly not interested in "trolling." It's just irritating that these kinds of responses are what anyone who isn't thrilled with the game receives. It's like people are only willing to be agreed with, and to hell with anyone else. It's very one-sided and juvenile.



All this said, I'm not pissed off at anyone or anything. I'm just tossing my opinion into the ring. No hard feelings? heh

[Dieover]

My view still stand

and Mr. detective, you better do some research before you start posting and claim the OP got his character to lvl 12.

What so laughable was that he got beaten by a bunch of unarmed beggars

"8. Even at higher levels your group can be destroyed by a group of unarmed urchins(beggars with no armor or weapons), since the oponents scale up to higher levels, no mater what you do in this game... simply rediculous."

My question to you is, did he even bother using any of the CC? you see my point?

Modifié par Dieover, 31 décembre 2009 - 01:24 .

[Magonian]

CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFF??

HEHE...MOVE ALONG WILL YA...LOL

[Adnihilis]

Did you even bother checking his profile? It shows his reaching level 12 3 days ago. Plus, he played a little, apparently, since his post. He might not even be checking the forums at all. I know I don't for several days, even when I post in a thread. Also, the fact that he's still playing the game despite this thread doesn't say much. I have said that I'm underwhelmed by the game, but still plan on completing it someday. I try to at least finish once each game I own to get my money's worth.

[Dieover]

ah very nice detective : ) and excellent point.