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[Cyonan]

I posted this in the threat about the Crusader being hit scan, but I'll give it its' own thread so that more people see it. Hopefully Bioware can add it to the list =P

We've known for a while that the Crusader's aiming is really weird, and a lot of people seem to think that it's firing blanks like the Falcon used to. Only the Crusader is a hitscan weapon and doesn't use projectiles. It can't fire blanks.

The Crusader has a weird mechanic(or bug) where the bullet it fires doesn't hit where the crosshair is, but rather it hits where it used to be(hard to get accurate readings, but it's where you were aiming roughly 0.15-0.2 seconds before firing), which leads to every shot where you're moving the crosshair around being slightly off. You can have your crosshairs clearly over a target's head and completely miss it because it wasn't there 0.2 seconds ago. You can also get headshots on a target you aren't aiming at anymore because you were aiming at it 0.2 seconds ago.

Nothing seems to affect how much or how little the bullet is off. I've tried using accuracy, stability, and hipfiring vs zooming in, and it's always off by the same amount. Hosting does nothing to prevent this from happening, either. The only way to get a 100% accurate shot is to not move your crosshair for half a second.

The Crusader itself is actually very good when it works, but it isn't going to matter how powerful it is if the bullets aren't landing where you're aiming, unless you're shooting at an Atlas sized enemy where it just doesn't matter because you'll hit it anyway.

[Eriseley]

That's...really...odd, and annoying. But it's cool to finally understand what is going on.

Modifié par Eriseley, 24 septembre 2012 - 10:17 .

[capn233]

Interesting.

[Installation17]

It's a time machine!
(runs off screaming)

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

Very interesting piece of news. Thanks for the info Cyonan.

[spudspot]

That explains a lot...

[Inabstract]

I died by that Geth Rocket Trooper because of 0.2 seconds......

[Mahrac]

And here I thought leading things with weapons was unnecessary once we got past the 'bows and arrows' phase

[codename2o2]

... All I can really ask is: why? If it's a bug, then hopefully it'll be on the list for fixing now that this thread exists. But if it's a mechanic, I simply cannot understand the thinking behind it.

For now, another reason why I refer to this weapon as a shotgun-sized paperweight.

[Jarlan23]

I use the N7 Crusader all the time, and I haven't noticed anything wrong with it. It's my gun of choice and I do very well with it.

[Kingofkod]

I noticed the same thing. You can definitely just completely whiff a lot of times.

[Slother93]

But remember it weights the paper where it was 0.2 seconds ago.

[WickedTruth 823]

no wonder why i can only hit the broad side of a barn with the thing... i thought it was me having issues with the aiming reticle... when it hits it does decent damage... once i get it to X maybe ill try it again... with my luck wont be long... lol...

[IllusiveManJr]

Reported for finding glitches.

[llandwynwyn]

That explain why I miss swarmers. I knew I couldn't be that bad to miss them.

[Learn To Love Yourself]

Nice find. Thank you for that.

I find that if I overuse my Crusader the night before, it will sometimes shoot off center (a little to the left), especially in the morning. Has anyone else noticed this?

[spudspot]

Mahrac wrote...

And here I thought leading things with weapons was unnecessary once we got past the 'bows and arrows' phase

How does leading help there? If the target doesn't stand still for that timeframe, you can lead as much as you want without hitting your target.

[Homey C-Dawg]

Doesn't sounds like a mechanic I want to try to compensate for in the middle of a firefight.

Sooo... Saber it is then.

[Lexsoar]

Eriseley wrote...

That's...really...odd, and annoying. But it's cool to finally understand what is going on.

[Chealec]

Explains why I can't use it for **** then, it can have as much damage as it likes - if I can't hit with it that's just massive damage I'm doing to the poor defenceless scenery :\\

... and people call me crazy for preferring the Eagle

[Cyonan]

spudspot wrote...

Mahrac wrote...

And here I thought leading things with weapons was unnecessary once we got past the 'bows and arrows' phase

How does leading help there? If the target doesn't stand still for that timeframe, you can lead as much as you want without hitting your target.

Well your crosshair will be 0.2 seconds ahead of them and your bullet will be 0.2 seconds behind your crosshair =P

Though if they get distracted by something shiny or the Phantom or something, you'll miss anyway. You have to try to anticipate their movements, which leads to it being much less accurate than it suggests, unless the target is so big that it just doesn't matter.

[spudspot]

Cyonan wrote...

Though if they get distracted by something shiny or the Phantom or something, you'll miss anyway. You have to try to anticipate their movements, which leads to it being much less accurate than it suggests, unless the target is so big that it just doesn't matter.

That's exactly the point. The few times I've tried the Crusader, I always went for headshots and while I'm surely not the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to aiming skills, it was much worse than I'd imagined. 

[Star fury]

So garbage Crusader is even worse than we thought.

[N7-RedFox]

I've tested this many times as well and i concur - ur discovery is true Cyonan. Crosshair is off

[Cyonan]

spudspot wrote...

That's exactly the point. The few times I've tried the Crusader, I always went for headshots and while I'm surely not the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to aiming skills, it was much worse than I'd imagined. 

It actively bothered me till I figured it out today. I know I'm not that bad of a shot, as I can headshot flipping Phantoms with my Javelin a good % of the time. I always play sniper in games, and I like to think I'm a pretty good shot, but something about the Crusader I just kept missing shots that I clearly shouldn't have.

It's a shame because I really want to like the weapon. It's got great power when it actually hits, but it's pretty badly crippled against non Atlas sized targets by this.