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[foxesquire]

I'm guessing most of those that vehemently disagree likely have N7 ranks below 500, think they're good but actually suck; yeah, I've played with your type... by "carrying" everyone you mean making everyone revive you every ten seconds.

Look, with what I propose, even those with N7 ranks below 500 can still play platinum, they just need to be invited... which is a good thing b/c they'll be playing with friends who will show them the ropes. And it's not like they are being deprived of Gold which is still quite challenging and pays well. It shouldn't be too difficult - when someone reaches N7 500 the platinum option unlocks... not too disimilar from beating a game on hardcore and unlocking insanity.

@ Yoshi... Yu: anomolies generally aren't important, just interesting. Try doing some lab research. Argument by anomoly is actually a logical fallacy - take a logic course.

[darkpassenger2342]

just because you can define logic doesnt mean youre using it, Op.

N7 ranking is irrelevant because some people didnt want to promote, never promoted, and never will again.

im n7 2560ish, i could be n7 5000+ if i promoted more.. most of it is from cards which were taken away, some people with now close to full manifests never even got a benefit of "free" n7 levels from them.

So to your point, no, its not just people under 500.
N7 never meant anything and never will, its bioware's problem not the player's

some of these people have maxed manifests, so your well defined logic is still awful.
This can't work, it hurts far too many experienced players.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 25 septembre 2012 - 05:39 .

[Yoshiyuki Ly]

Lol OP, I majored in philosophy and have taken more logic courses than I care to talk about. You're making generalizations now, talking about the people who vehemently disagree with you. Hell, I strongly disagree with you and it has nothing to do with my rank or skill level. It's a matter of freeness and principles. The game has few limitations beyond what the player must unlock on their own via creds and packs. We don't need segregation for the sake of placating people like you.

[SavagelyEpic]

foxesquire wrote...

I'm guessing most of those that vehemently disagree likely have N7 ranks below 500, think they're good but actually suck; yeah, I've played with your type... by "carrying" everyone you mean making everyone revive you every ten seconds.

Look, with what I propose, even those with N7 ranks below 500 can still play platinum, they just need to be invited... which is a good thing b/c they'll be playing with friends who will show them the ropes. And it's not like they are being deprived of Gold which is still quite challenging and pays well. It shouldn't be too difficult - when someone reaches N7 500 the platinum option unlocks... not too disimilar from beating a game on hardcore and unlocking insanity.

@ Yoshi... Yu: anomolies generally aren't important, just interesting. Try doing some lab research. Argument by anomoly is actually a logical fallacy - take a logic course.

Relevant parts bolded. Lol'd.

Tell me why you think someone who has their manifest maxed out needs to be 'shown the ropes'. And you haven't answered my previous question: Do you somehow think there's a secret second manifest that only unlocks after you've hit N7 500? No, there isn't, so why are you trying to draw correlations between manifest progression/overall skill and N7 ranking?

My earlier conclusion still stands. You have done nothing to disprove it.



Edit: Why the hell did I write "bolded parts highlighted" at first?

Modifié par SavagelyEpic, 25 septembre 2012 - 05:45 .

[DarthVarner]

I've promoted precisely the number of chars necessary to get all of the weekend bonuses. Personal bonuses. No more.

My N7 is 345.

My N7 cap is 360, but I just don't care to play my Vanguard / Sentinel back up to cap it. That is how much I don't care about N7 rating.

I know at least one PHENOMENAL player with an N7 of 120.

I will say that joining a lobby with a Scorpion X has never gotten me kicked.

I do look at loadouts and gear. If you've got a Turian Soldier kitted out with an Eagle I and are rocking Cryo ammo I, Shotgun Amp II, and Grenade Gear I... that isn't gonna fly.

[foxesquire]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

just because you can define logic doesnt mean youre using it, Op.

N7 ranking is irrelevant because some people didnt want to promote, never promoted, and never will again.

im n7 2560ish, i could be n7 5000+ if i promoted more.. most of it is from cards which were taken away, some people with now close to full manifests never even got a benefit of "free" n7 levels from them.

So to your point, no, its not just people under 500.
N7 never meant anything and never will, its bioware's problem not the player's

some of these people have maxed manifests, so your well defined logic is still awful.
This can't work, it hurts far too many experienced players.

I admit ignorance to the meaning of "maxed manifests".  In earlier posts I acknowledged that there would be a burden to skilled players below 500, but that it shouldn't be too difficult to overcome... a reasonable burden.  I also mentioned that out of the hundreds of platinum matches I've played over the last couple of months I've seen a consistent correlation between a higher N7 rank and appropriate player skill... with an occasional exception.  I too could have a much higher N7 than 1785, probably ~4000 if I had consistently promoted my classes, but I went through bouts where I liked my characters where they were.  I've moved on and like promoting them, then starting over again trying something new and different; am I trying to force others to do the same no, but I am trying to find a simple, somewhat objective benchmark that says this player has put in enough hours in this game to kind of know what the hell they are doing.

[Zero132132]

I'd be okay with this if it were N7 120 instead. People below that perhaps shouldn't be playing higher difficulties.

[born2beagator]

No stinking way. Some of us don't promote you know.

I am N7 660, have been playing since launch, and can carry on gold if need be. Completed platinum a few times too.

[corporal doody]

DarthVarner wrote...

I've promoted precisely the number of chars necessary to get all of the weekend bonuses. Personal bonuses. No more.

My N7 is 345.

My N7 cap is 360, but I just don't care to play my Vanguard / Sentinel back up to cap it. That is how much I don't care about N7 rating.

I know at least one PHENOMENAL player with an N7 of 120.

I will say that joining a lobby with a Scorpion X has never gotten me kicked.

I do look at loadouts and gear. If you've got a Turian Soldier kitted out with an Eagle I and are rocking Cryo ammo I, Shotgun Amp II, and Grenade Gear I... that isn't gonna fly.

two things...


FIRST....cool username

SECOND....i concur.

good weapons and gear beat N7 all the time! (120 is the minimum for me in gold and platinum).  But THEY DAMN WELL BETTER BE USING EQUIPMENT (IF everyone else is)....i dont care whether they THINK they can carry 99% of their gold matches and most the platinum matches they play in....i dont know them....aint never played with them....can only hope they dont fit in the popular BSN opinion of "ALL RANDOMS SUCK."  

if their set up is right..atleast looks like they arent "morons<_<"   then i can trust they know what they are doing. Truth will be told in the match however.

[SavagelyEpic]

foxesquire wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

just because you can define logic doesnt mean youre using it, Op.

N7 ranking is irrelevant because some people didnt want to promote, never promoted, and never will again.

im n7 2560ish, i could be n7 5000+ if i promoted more.. most of it is from cards which were taken away, some people with now close to full manifests never even got a benefit of "free" n7 levels from them.

So to your point, no, its not just people under 500.
N7 never meant anything and never will, its bioware's problem not the player's

some of these people have maxed manifests, so your well defined logic is still awful.
This can't work, it hurts far too many experienced players.

I admit ignorance to the meaning of "maxed manifests".  In earlier posts I acknowledged that there would be a burden to skilled players below 500, but that it shouldn't be too difficult to overcome... a reasonable burden.  I also mentioned that out of the hundreds of platinum matches I've played over the last couple of months I've seen a consistent correlation between a higher N7 rank and appropriate player skill... with an occasional exception.  I too could have a much higher N7 than 1785, probably ~4000 if I had consistently promoted my classes, but I went through bouts where I liked my characters where they were.  I've moved on and like promoting them, then starting over again trying something new and different; am I trying to force others to do the same no, but I am trying to find a simple, somewhat objective benchmark that says this player has put in enough hours in this game to kind of know what the hell they are doing.

Maxed manifest = unlocked and maxed out every item available. Including all ultra-rares.

Your logic is terrible. It isn't even logical at all. More like a leap of faith than a leap of logic. According to you, N7 120's with maxed manifests are terribad players who need to be carried and shown the ropes by N7 1000's, some of whom aren't even comfortable on gold and have low levelled weapons.

You're also aware that reset cards do the same thing as promoting, except they're even better at it because they don't pre-allot the first skill point?

[Yoshiyuki Ly]

Everyone's been talking in circles around you now. It's time to go back to judging people's loadouts if you must and risking those bad teams.

[darkpassenger2342]

foxesquire wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

just because you can define logic doesnt mean youre using it, Op.

N7 ranking is irrelevant because some people didnt want to promote, never promoted, and never will again.

im n7 2560ish, i could be n7 5000+ if i promoted more.. most of it is from cards which were taken away, some people with now close to full manifests never even got a benefit of "free" n7 levels from them.

So to your point, no, its not just people under 500.
N7 never meant anything and never will, its bioware's problem not the player's

some of these people have maxed manifests, so your well defined logic is still awful.
This can't work, it hurts far too many experienced players.

I admit ignorance to the meaning of "maxed manifests".  In earlier posts I acknowledged that there would be a burden to skilled players below 500, but that it shouldn't be too difficult to overcome... a reasonable burden.  I also mentioned that out of the hundreds of platinum matches I've played over the last couple of months I've seen a consistent correlation between a higher N7 rank and appropriate player skill... with an occasional exception.  I too could have a much higher N7 than 1785, probably ~4000 if I had consistently promoted my classes, but I went through bouts where I liked my characters where they were.  I've moved on and like promoting them, then starting over again trying something new and different; am I trying to force others to do the same no, but I am trying to find a simple, somewhat objective benchmark that says this player has put in enough hours in this game to kind of know what the hell they are doing.

I know what you're saying, and youre not totally wrong, Ive leveled my n7 mostly the same way, ( plus the cards) 
 But you can't force people to promote because theres nothing to gain from it. YOU see logic in promotion to an extent, while others never did. neither of these thoughts are wrong, since bioware made n7 mean nothing.

this game will definitely be finished before an established n7 means anything other than playing the game alot,
 because a low n7 DOESNT translate to having NOT played it alot.
It is far too late to "punish" an experience player who didnt promote now...
  all we can hope is that they they learned their lesson: in trying to create a prestige system, they created obscurity, confusion, intolerance, and conflict.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 25 septembre 2012 - 06:03 .

[foxesquire]

SavagelyEpic wrote...

foxesquire wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

just because you can define logic doesnt mean youre using it, Op.

N7 ranking is irrelevant because some people didnt want to promote, never promoted, and never will again.

im n7 2560ish, i could be n7 5000+ if i promoted more.. most of it is from cards which were taken away, some people with now close to full manifests never even got a benefit of "free" n7 levels from them.

So to your point, no, its not just people under 500.
N7 never meant anything and never will, its bioware's problem not the player's

some of these people have maxed manifests, so your well defined logic is still awful.
This can't work, it hurts far too many experienced players.

I admit ignorance to the meaning of "maxed manifests".  In earlier posts I acknowledged that there would be a burden to skilled players below 500, but that it shouldn't be too difficult to overcome... a reasonable burden.  I also mentioned that out of the hundreds of platinum matches I've played over the last couple of months I've seen a consistent correlation between a higher N7 rank and appropriate player skill... with an occasional exception.  I too could have a much higher N7 than 1785, probably ~4000 if I had consistently promoted my classes, but I went through bouts where I liked my characters where they were.  I've moved on and like promoting them, then starting over again trying something new and different; am I trying to force others to do the same no, but I am trying to find a simple, somewhat objective benchmark that says this player has put in enough hours in this game to kind of know what the hell they are doing.

Maxed manifest = unlocked and maxed out every item available. Including all ultra-rares.

Your logic is terrible. It isn't even logical at all. More like a leap of faith than a leap of logic. According to you, N7 120's with maxed manifests are terribad players who need to be carried and shown the ropes by N7 1000's, some of whom aren't even comfortable on gold and have low levelled weapons.

You're also aware that reset cards do the same thing as promoting, except they're even better at it because they don't pre-allot the first skill point?

I don't see how it is such a horrendous imposition to have someone spend
a few hours taking their N7 from 120 to 500 to unlock platinum.  It's
not like I'm asking them to pass a kidney stone.  If all your weapons
are unlocked and your equipment maxed out, it should be a breeze getting
to 500 if you have skills.

Modifié par foxesquire, 25 septembre 2012 - 06:09 .

[foxesquire]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

foxesquire wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

just because you can define logic doesnt mean youre using it, Op.

N7 ranking is irrelevant because some people didnt want to promote, never promoted, and never will again.

im n7 2560ish, i could be n7 5000+ if i promoted more.. most of it is from cards which were taken away, some people with now close to full manifests never even got a benefit of "free" n7 levels from them.

So to your point, no, its not just people under 500.
N7 never meant anything and never will, its bioware's problem not the player's

some of these people have maxed manifests, so your well defined logic is still awful.
This can't work, it hurts far too many experienced players.

I admit ignorance to the meaning of "maxed manifests".  In earlier posts I acknowledged that there would be a burden to skilled players below 500, but that it shouldn't be too difficult to overcome... a reasonable burden.  I also mentioned that out of the hundreds of platinum matches I've played over the last couple of months I've seen a consistent correlation between a higher N7 rank and appropriate player skill... with an occasional exception.  I too could have a much higher N7 than 1785, probably ~4000 if I had consistently promoted my classes, but I went through bouts where I liked my characters where they were.  I've moved on and like promoting them, then starting over again trying something new and different; am I trying to force others to do the same no, but I am trying to find a simple, somewhat objective benchmark that says this player has put in enough hours in this game to kind of know what the hell they are doing.

I know what you're saying, and youre not totally wrong, Ive leveled my n7 mostly the same way, ( plus the cards) 
 But you can't force people to promote because theres nothing to gain from it. YOU see logic in promotion to an extent, while others never did. neither of these thoughts are wrong, since bioware made n7 mean nothing.

this game will definitely be finished before an established n7 means anything other than playing the game alot,
 because a low n7 DOESNT translate to having NOT played it alot.
It is far too late to "punish" an experience player who didnt promote now...
  all we can hope is that they they learned their lesson: in trying to create a prestige system, they created obscurity, confusion, intolerance, and conflict.

Very true!  Best counter to my argument yet!

[Zero132132]

foxesquire wrote...

I don't see how it is such a horrendous imposition to have someone spend a few hours taking their N7 from 120 to 500 to unlock platinum.  It's not like I'm asking them to pass a kidney stone.  If all your weapons are unlocked and your equipment maxed out, it should be a breeze getting to 500 if you have skills.

It's not the worst thing in the world, but it's a breeze getting to 500 with or without skill. Some terribad players play bronze all the time and promote every time they hit level 20. Some of these people have N7 > 1000, and almost all of them have N7 > 500. N7 ranking just isn't a valid proxy for skill. Higher N7 ranking does mean you have more experience with the game, but that says nothing about what kind of experience that is, so it isn't an indicator of skill. Low N7 ranking (so long as it's above 120) tells you nothing at all about the amount of playtime a player has had, or how skilled they are.

Essentially, you want to make a restriction based on an obviously arbitrary standard. It's worse than having no standard, because the arbitrary standard still would stop people from playing the game.

[SavagelyEpic]

foxesquire wrote...

SavagelyEpic wrote...

Maxed manifest = unlocked and maxed out every item available. Including all ultra-rares.

Your logic is terrible. It isn't even logical at all. More like a leap of faith than a leap of logic. According to you, N7 120's with maxed manifests are terribad players who need to be carried and shown the ropes by N7 1000's, some of whom aren't even comfortable on gold and have low levelled weapons.

You're also aware that reset cards do the same thing as promoting, except they're even better at it because they don't pre-allot the first skill point?

I don't see how it is such a horrendous imposition to have someone spend
a few hours taking their N7 from 120 to 500 to unlock platinum.  It's
not like I'm asking them to pass a kidney stone.  If all your weapons
are unlocked and your equipment maxed out, it should be a breeze getting
to 500 if you have skills.

Because who are you to demand that someone else go through all sorts of ridiculous hoops to unlock a game mode they are not only already entitled to, but that they are able to complete regularly and with ease?

And skills do not factor into time. Even not including time spent waiting for a lobby, if you were to continually spam gold matches (15 minutes on average, some longer at level 1) from 120 to 500 ... it would take quite a while. And have you ever considered they keep their classes at level 20 for a reason?

but I am trying to find a simple, somewhat objective benchmark that says this player has put in enough hours in this game to kind of know what the hell they are doing. 

And you are failing miserably. If you had even the slightest actual intent of working towards that goal, manifest progression would be a far better indicator of hours spent than N7 ranking which has no correlation whatsoever with game experience. On that note, would I support introducing manifest progression requirements? Absolutely not. But if you really were trying to do as you claim, that's what you'd be aiming for. Which leads me to believe that is NOT in fact your intent.

BuckshotSamurai wrote...


True story: YOU are the problem, not them.  If you don't have a full party of competent players, why are you attempting to do a Platinum run and waste equipment?  Play a couple games of Gold to figure out if the Randoms are good teammates and THEN do a Platinum run with them.  

Platinum PUGs is like getting drunk at a party and making out with the girl that has a big red spot on her lip.  You know deep down that it's herpes, but you think you just might be safe this one time.

 

To conclude: I believe you're simply trying to make your leeching attempts have a higher success rate.

Modifié par SavagelyEpic, 25 septembre 2012 - 06:19 .

[DatFeel]

I didn't bother reading any of the replies in this thread, but I'd just like to call you an idiot. I'm sure someone already has though.

[N7 Whiskey]

Conclusion: OP definitely has herpes and certainly is no Vulcan. Go back to bragging to your friends because we don't give a damn how 1337 you think you are. I can read you insecurity like a roadmap and its telling me that you'd finish 5th in a game played by four blindfolded chimps.

N7 3000

[Zero132132]

DatFeel wrote...

I didn't bother reading any of the replies in this thread, but I'd just like to call you an idiot. I'm sure someone already has though.

You're the first actually. Grats. The other four pages were just the rest of us complimenting the OP for having good ideas.

[Hurkaleez]

OblivionDawn wrote...

500?

Lol. Not a chance.

Played with some guy with over 12k score and he wasnt that good. He simply missle-glitched his way up past 12k. 

I have 290 score and have most weapons to 10, I simply do not see a reason to keep promoting as it is only a way for the ignorant(like the OP) and the epeens to mistakenly gauge their abilities.

[darkpassenger2342]

Corgun wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

500?

Lol. Not a chance.

Played with some guy with over 12k score and he wasnt that good. He simply missle-glitched his way up past 12k. 

I have 290 score and have most weapons to 10, I simply do not see a reason to keep promoting as it is only a way for the ignorant(like the OP) and the epeens to mistakenly gauge their abilities.

Your avatar makes your words seem meaner than they are.
 I hate that guy.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 25 septembre 2012 - 06:27 .

[Untonic]

Andy578 wrote...

n7 means nothing

/end thread

[Induhvidual]

foxesquire wrote...

I am getting burnt out and frustrated from playing with under-skilled and under-equiped players, particularly new-comers, on platinum difficulty.  I waste hard to get equipment and precious free time while they mooch off me and other adept players.  A successful platinum mission requires four skilled and well equiped players, or three skilled players and one new-comer willing to take direction and advice... most aren't.  I can only kick so many of them! 

I propose limiting platinum difficulty missions to those who have an N7 rank of 500 or higher, or to those who are invited to join a game.  If you have an N7 rank of 499 or less you cannot create a platinum match nor join one through quick match.  They need to learn how to play the game, level up and unlock equipment on easier levels before they can play the highest difficulty.  This will prevent the more skilled players from becoming frustrated with them, and prevent new-comers from thinking ME3 multiplayer is full of jerks.  This will also reduce cheating via the missle glitch, as it is usually new-comers that do it to exploit the high credit payouts and experience from platinum missions.  Lastly, having the highest difficulty being something that has to be unlocked will add an inviting challenge to the game and likely increase the number of players... but probably not at first.

Thanks for you time, BioWare staff!

haha, that's pretty funny, op. thanks for the laugh

[Syrus101]

lol really?


N7 Rank means nothing just how often you promote your characters... Ive been on 210 for months. most of my weapons are maxed and I am sure many are the same or similar like me.

Ive played with people with N7 rankings under 200 and seen them perform better than those with 600+ argument is invalid

[jinx_60]

Better would be a requirement to have completed a solo silver match before Platinum difficulty unlocks. Solo bronze is too easy, and solo gold is asking a little too much, but silver? If you can't solo silver you really shouldn't be playing platinum quite yet.
Back to reality though: none of this is ever going to take place. Bioware is not going to spend time implementing any system just to cater to the wants of less than 1% of the player-base.