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[Star fury]

[Bahamut_king1000]

2000+

[Darth Malice113]

Star fury wrote...

Aw ****, the Emperor is here.

Cool out everybody....... COOL OUT!

[Moxy_Pirate]

Drummernate wrote...

120.

Required.

Period.

This. Everytime I have to kick a lvl 50 out of the 4th spot, I wonder who might have missed my lobby that was competent.

[Moxy_Pirate]

anyone saying they know people with N7 under 120 that were good in platinum are telling fibs. I believe 120 and up should be able to join a platinum lobby. Yes I have seen players in the 200s who clearly DID NOT PROMOTE do well. Yes N7 is pointless because it depends on promotion. But lets not pretend that even a quarter of the sub 120 N7s perform admirably in platinum.

[Tpayne80]

im only 180 but im still better then half of the PS3 ME3 players. Theres no point to go over 180 BTW.

[Master Xanthan]

N7 rank doesn't mean much.

[LeandroBraz]

I don't thing it's needed, most because N7 means nothing, but anyway, 500 is unfair. There's people who play since day one, and they still under 500. N7 raise if you promote, which not everybody does, and it has nothing to do with skills.

120 would be fair, but it's completely unnecessary...

[jotun04]

I played with a guy the other day that was only N7 260, but he was using level X ultra rares and popping level 4 equipment like they were candy.

[N7 Whiskey]

foxesquire wrote...

The proposition I proposed is based off the correlations I've have observed for the past two months. Tell me with a straight face that out of the last 100 matches you've played that the majority of those with high N7 ranks sucked and the majority with low N7 ranks rocked and you will have actually countered my argument intelligently as opposed with just logical fallicies and ad hominem attacks. Your arguments from anomoly and citation of exceptions aren't compelling, sorry. Even if what I suggest is only 50% effective, it would be worth it not to have to wade through the concourses of noobs and trolls and cheaters by that much. I am sorry if this offends a niche playing style group who is anal retentive and refuses to promote their characters, so what; you comprise probably 0.01% of the total skilled player volume on ME3 MP. Someone mentioned in an earlier post they hate getting kicked because of a low N7 rank even though they're good; my advice is to do what most other players figured out the first week: if you want clout raise you N7 rank. Is the N7 rank an absolute indicator of skill or experience... no, but I think, and probably most others on MP, that it is a good prima facie case of that likelihood. I think just looking at someone's equipment is an even worse indicator than their N7 rank... I've seen people with fantastic equipment and guns equiped just utterly fail on platinum; (in fact, a challenge I play with my friends is only begining and common weapons on platinum - we do quite well actually - ultra rares are a bit overrated imho (I have them all unlock and between 5 and 8)). This all being said, I think the poster I quoted last hit the nail on the head for the most part, and that there's a snowball's chance in hell that BioWare would ever implement my idea. So calm down, and don't get your knickers in knot; and don't accuse me of being an elitist or trying to get a self-serving edge (how did you come up with that btw?!?!?)

Many of you need to learn how to disagree with someone and get your point across without being beligerent, nasty and insulting (SavageEpic - all you did was repeat yourself over and over again with increasing venom without really making a valid point). If I see a logical fallacy or an invalid point I'm going to call you on it, period. I didn't realize how full of caustic, venomous and angry people there were on the BioWare forums; no wonder they had to crack down on their user policy.

Oh that's funny, because you've been an insulting jackass right from the beginning.  You can word your responses any way you wish, and by all means spend 20 minutes with your thesaurus, but your intent is still to be an arrogant jackhole.  You think you are some elite player and because of this, players under your proposed limitations are not worthy of your company.

We get it, you've been bullied your entire life and now you want to bully others based on a worthless N7 rating.  Good job man, I bet your parents would be proud!

[xgrifter]

I see it as the only thing they need to know are the maps

And the only other thing i see in this thread is buckshot trying his hardest to insult other posters
to try and make himself feel better

[oO Stryfe Oo]

Untonic wrote...

Andy578 wrote...

n7 means nothing

/end thread

Not quite. For anyone under N7 120, it lets me know a fairly accurate range of what to expect from a player who has not yet played all classes to level 20. After 120, all bets are off and the range of what I can expect from a player based on their N7 rank drastically increases. While there will always be outliers, one cannot deny that there is a positive correlation between player skill, their unlocked equipment, and their N7 Rank. The day I see an N7 10 completely outclass his/her N7 10,000 squadmate on a Platinum match will be the day I host a live feed of myself eating a grilled shoe.

[DeathIsHere]

How about no? Because you're banking on the fact that 500+ = skill, which is wrong. Tell me, how many missile glitchers do you think are legitimately Platinum ready? 0? Ok. Now, how many of them do you think have N7 500+? A lot. Because they get a lot of credits. So when Missile Glitch gets patched, say they don't get banned. Ok. Now you have somebody with that N7 level which enables them to join your platinum games without the experience needed, but somebody with a sub-500 N7 level that could do it (which isn't an anomoly, there is a lot of people that stay firmly at 120) are left hurridly promoting to get to 500 because of a silly limit that essentially does nothing. There's no point. Kick people if you don't think they're gonna help the team, say so over the mic if others won't join in, or just leave and try again. Enforcing limits on everybody is just silly.

Modifié par DeathIsHere, 26 septembre 2012 - 12:30 .

[SavagelyEpic]

BuckshotSamurai wrote...

foxesquire wrote...

The proposition I proposed is based off the correlations I've have observed for the past two months. Tell me with a straight face that out of the last 100 matches you've played that the majority of those with high N7 ranks sucked and the majority with low N7 ranks rocked and you will have actually countered my argument intelligently as opposed with just logical fallicies and ad hominem attacks. Your arguments from anomoly and citation of exceptions aren't compelling, sorry. Even if what I suggest is only 50% effective, it would be worth it not to have to wade through the concourses of noobs and trolls and cheaters by that much. I am sorry if this offends a niche playing style group who is anal retentive and refuses to promote their characters, so what; you comprise probably 0.01% of the total skilled player volume on ME3 MP. Someone mentioned in an earlier post they hate getting kicked because of a low N7 rank even though they're good; my advice is to do what most other players figured out the first week: if you want clout raise you N7 rank. Is the N7 rank an absolute indicator of skill or experience... no, but I think, and probably most others on MP, that it is a good prima facie case of that likelihood. I think just looking at someone's equipment is an even worse indicator than their N7 rank... I've seen people with fantastic equipment and guns equiped just utterly fail on platinum; (in fact, a challenge I play with my friends is only begining and common weapons on platinum - we do quite well actually - ultra rares are a bit overrated imho (I have them all unlock and between 5 and 8)). This all being said, I think the poster I quoted last hit the nail on the head for the most part, and that there's a snowball's chance in hell that BioWare would ever implement my idea. So calm down, and don't get your knickers in knot; and don't accuse me of being an elitist or trying to get a self-serving edge (how did you come up with that btw?!?!?)

Many of you need to learn how to disagree with someone and get your point across without being beligerent, nasty and insulting (SavageEpic - all you did was repeat yourself over and over again with increasing venom without really making a valid point). If I see a logical fallacy or an invalid point I'm going to call you on it, period. I didn't realize how full of caustic, venomous and angry people there were on the BioWare forums; no wonder they had to crack down on their user policy.

Oh that's funny, because you've been an insulting jackass right from the beginning.  You can word your responses any way you wish, and by all means spend 20 minutes with your thesaurus, but your intent is still to be an arrogant jackhole.  You think you are some elite player and because of this, players under your proposed limitations are not worthy of your company.

We get it, you've been bullied your entire life and now you want to bully others based on a worthless N7 rating.  Good job man, I bet your parents would be proud!

QFT

(SavageEpic - all you did was repeat yourself over and over again with increasing venom without really making a valid point). If I see a logical fallacy or an invalid point I'm going to call you on it, period. I didn't realize how full of caustic, venomous and angry people there were on the BioWare forums; no wonder they had to crack down on their user policy.

Your refusal to pay attention to what I'm writing does not mean I'm repeating myself. That is a fault on your end, and your willingness to attribute your own mistakes to the fault of others does not speak highly of yourself. You have not countered my arguements in the slightest.

Here, I'll break it down easily enough that even a grade schooler would be able to identify and counter my points.


" Even if what I suggest is only 50% effective "

This is the overexaggeration of the year. Beyond a leap of logic, even beyond a leap of faith. Allow me to explain why:

but I am trying to find a simple, somewhat objective benchmark that says this player has put in enough hours in this game to kind of know what the hell they are doing. 

And you are failing miserably. If you had even the slightest actual intent of working towards that goal, manifest progression would be a far better indicator of hours spent than N7 ranking which has no correlation whatsoever with game experience. On that note, would I support introducing manifest progression requirements? Absolutely not. But if you really were trying to do as you claim, that's what you'd be aiming for. Which leads me to believe that is NOT in fact your intent. 

I have repeated myself again because you have provided nothing to counter this.

If you go in the exact opposite direction of your stated intent, you give your audience no choice but to assume your stated intent is not your true intent.

There are so many other ways you could've gone about trying to achieve your stated goal that there really are only two possible conclusions to be reached about the fact that you purposefully chose the worst possible path.

1) You are not yet familiar enough with the game to understand how useless your suggestion is, and that there are plenty of other alternatives you could've suggested - (eg, solo qualifications or manifest progression - both of which I am adamantly opposed to) in which case you simply have no grounds for making this arguement to begin with, or

2) You're trying to make it easier for you to leech off platinum lobbies. Or maybe you just get off on bossing others around and telling them what they can and can't do?

Modifié par SavagelyEpic, 26 septembre 2012 - 12:38 .

[WaffleCrab]

Moxy_Pirate wrote...

anyone saying they know people with N7 under 120 that were good in platinum are telling fibs. I believe 120 and up should be able to join a platinum lobby. Yes I have seen players in the 200s who clearly DID NOT PROMOTE do well. Yes N7 is pointless because it depends on promotion. But lets not pretend that even a quarter of the sub 120 N7s perform admirably in platinum.

Fact #1. they have to begin their platinum sometime.
Fact#2. as long as they communicate and are willing to use consumables they have done rather decent as i have seen.
Fact#3. the fact that you agree with OP makes you a facist.

[rollblows]

n7 dont mean ****
No
i just got past 200 i never 
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Modifié par rollblows, 26 septembre 2012 - 07:21 .

[Tronar]

I think the OP has a point. Platinum is the hardest difficulty and there are three easier levels for a reason! There are always the few exceptions, but most people will not succeed without at least having some decent weapons, putting on good equipment and bringing a certain amount of experience with them.

The few cases I am choosing "Platinum Quick Match", because none of my Gaming Buddies are online, I've ended up way too often in lobbies full of low ranked N7s (<500) with weird or no equipment at all. I've even heard comments like "Yeah, we rock on Platinum. We make it to Wave 3 most of the times". Seriously?

Sorry, but people who don't even know that two players deactivating a device at the same time does NOT speed up the deactivation process shouldn't be playing Platinum. Period!

A minimum N7 Rank of 500 would definitely have my support and benefite both parties as outlined by the OP. Those players can still play Gold and still be overwhelmed (and maybe be happy, that they made it to Wave 6 most of the times).

I am not saying this, because my Rank is >500. I intentionally didn't even start playing Gold before I was in that range BTW. Because I wanted to be solid in Silver first and make sure I can carry my weight and have decent equipment before entering Random Gold lobbies.

Yes, there are always exceptions and there are people with a N7 Rank of 150 who might rock Platinum. But I've never seen any of them. Any decent players I have seen so far had a higher level. And those few shouldn't have a problem to Level up beyond 500 within less than two weeks, since any promotion round of all your 6 characters immediately gives you 180 rank points.

The discusion if N7 Rank is a good indicator or not is pointless beyond that. As I said, there are always exceptions and examples for both. But one thing can't be discarded: Someone with a Rank >500 has at least played a certain amount of games and thus gained a certain amount of experience and equipment. So he still might suck because of bad skill, but at least he knows that you stay with the Drone to make it move faster and that a Javelin and a Typhoon might not be the optimal loadout for an Adept.

I think it is annoying to have to leave so many lobbies because they are full of unexperienced players or in my own lobbies tell players entering with a Rank 10 that they most likely just made a mistake and didn't really want to play Platinum over and over again. I don't have a problem carrying people through Silver or Gold and answer all their questions during the game. But on Platinum people can actually cause a lot of problems by blocking spawns in the right locations or making an objective harder than it has to be just by being in the wrong place all the time.

Modifié par Tronar, 26 septembre 2012 - 11:02 .

[Caldari Ghost]

For me the general trend, OP, has been saying that the closer they are to 120, the better, and in my experience, 1000+ absolutely suck at this game. I recently played with an N7 67 asari vanguard that was second in all my gold matches, doing better than both an N7 600+ and an N7 800+. I do suspect that he/she has played on a different platform before, but why anyone would want to leave pc is beyond me. ps3, maybe. although your idea and standards are a little excessive, you are aiming in the right direction. only it seems impossible to accurately measure a persons' competence in this game without violating some rights. that is unacceptable
.and for the record, my N7 is under 200. I do fine most of the time. full extraction on platinum is normal for me and I have been playing since the day Mass effect 3 came out. first thing I did was Multiplayer, bronze, light blue male human engineer on reactor carrying a mantis and avenger with only drone specced, along with an orange krogan sentinal, a qurian engineer, and an asari adept. 500 is too high.

Modifié par Caldari Ghost, 26 septembre 2012 - 10:53 .

[l Saminator l]

I agree with this, I am tired of carrying players through that have only the basic weapons, and at low levels.

Have an N7 Ranking requirement level would actually increase the chances of finding experienced and higher skilled players, along with giving a reason for everyone to promote more in order to unlock this difficulty. It's basically a win on both ends. For those complaining that they can handle platinum and don't promote, so what? You now actually have a reason to promote.

[Igipopp]

No.

[ToaOrka]

Ramsutin wrote...

Drummernate wrote...

120.

Required.

Period.

[vware]

NO

[jrm_ayun]

No

[twiffer]

aside from the obvious replies (N7 rank only shows promoting, you can kick people, etc.), i find this bit particularly amusing: "If you have an N7 rank of 499 or less you cannot create a platinum match nor join one through quick match." really? considering i've landed in platinum matches when searching for bronze, how is this going to work? will you auto-kick people from a lobby if the hosting player changes from, say, silver to platinum after you've joined the lobby? will you prevent people from choosing platinum on private games?

i don't think you've thought this through.

[Tronar]

twiffer wrote...

aside from the obvious replies (N7 rank only shows promoting, you can kick people, etc.), i find this bit particularly amusing: "If you have an N7 rank of 499 or less you cannot create a platinum match nor join one through quick match." really? considering i've landed in platinum matches when searching for bronze, how is this going to work? will you auto-kick people from a lobby if the hosting player changes from, say, silver to platinum after you've joined the lobby? will you prevent people from choosing platinum on private games?

i don't think you've thought this through.

Just because Bioware also messed up the Quick Game function putting people looking for Bronze into a Platinum Lobby, it doesn't mean that a group of skilled developers couldn't achieve what OP asked for.

The rules are simple: in private lobbies there would be no restrictions.
But to join a public lobby via Quick Game you would need a N7 Rank of >500.
If you have a lower rank, you can't set your difficulty to Platinum in the Quick Game menu. And better not to"unknown" as well. Because "unknown" is the default is probably another reason, why so many <10 people show up in Gold and Platinum Lobbies.

If you want to host a lobby, again if your Rank is <500 you can't set it to Platinum AND Public at the same time.

If you ended up in a Gold lobby and the host has a rank of >500 and you a Rank of <500 and he sets it to Platinum nonetheless, it would be his conscient decision in the face of your character. So why should it be prohibited?

The only reason OP asked for an N7 rank restriction is to not end up in so many lobbies with un-experienced players when looking for a Platinum match. Those criteria would still be matched.

Problem solved...