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[GodWood]

Emzamination wrote...

AlienWolf728 wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...
The old school RPGs suck....
Request denied.

^ must be 8-14 years old.

No, she's completely in the right.

Drones gonna drone.

[Emzamination]

GodWood wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

AlienWolf728 wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...
The old school RPGs suck....
Request denied.

^ must be 8-14 years old.

No, she's completely in the right.

Drones gonna drone.

I still remember the first time you gave me that line...You fell on your face that time too. Good times.

[The Hierophant]

GodWood wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

AlienWolf728 wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...
The old school RPGs suck....
Request denied.

^ must be 8-14 years old.

No, she's completely in the right.

Drones gonna drone.

My heart can't take this.

[Mr.House]

Emzamination wrote...

AlienWolf728 wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

The old school RPGs suck....
Request denied.

^ must be 8-14 years old.

No, she's completely in the right.

PS:T sucked? HAHAHA That's more funny then Terrors hyperbole.

Anyways, as for the topic on hand, I would like certain things from DAO to come back like being able to DW as a warrior, use bows as a warrior, be a arcane warrior, outfit my companions anyway I want ect but really, DAO was not a "old school rpg". It was a solid rpg but it still streamlined things from IE games, somethings for the good. Overall I will be happy if DA3:I is a good combo of what made DAO good and what made DA2 good.

Modifié par Mr.House, 27 septembre 2012 - 02:01 .

[Terror_K]

Morroian wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Terror_K wrote...
That's unforgivable, IMO: to spend 7-8 years setting up this series to be the great new hope for true RPG fans and then immediately wrench the carpet out from under their feet with the very next game. It's beyond despicable.

It's not even remotely dispicable, you are simply being overdramatic.

This, so much this.

How is it being overdramatic?! When BioWare go on and on about Dragon Age being a proper, epic, fantasy RPG for the PC that's a return to their roots and spiritual successor to BG for 7-8 years, getting up the hopes and dreams of dare I say millions of hardcore RPG fans for creating a game that is supposed to buck the trend, and then they immediately turn their back on all of that and make the sequel pretty much exactly what Dragon Age was created to NOT be! All for the sake of pandering to an audience that is already massively overcatered for as it is. All for the sake of extra dosh.

How you people can defend and support a company that does this is beyond me. A company that will dangle your favourite food in front of your face until you get close enough and then give you only one bite before kicking you in the balls, grabbing you by the throat and shoving manure down your gullet. They have no integrity any more, and neither does anybody who is still supporting them.

Unless of course, it was Dragon Age 2 that brought you here, and then it's perfectly understandable.

Mr.House wrote...

Overall I will be happy
if DA3:I is a good combo of what made DAO good and what made DA2 good.

So... Dragon Age: Origins with better hair and more diverse skill trees?

Because those are about the only things DA2 did better. There was nothing that "made DA2 good" because it wasn't.

Modifié par Terror_K, 27 septembre 2012 - 02:06 .

[Emzamination]

Mr.House wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

AlienWolf728 wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

The old school RPGs suck....
Request denied.

^ must be 8-14 years old.

No, she's completely in the right.

PS:T sucked? HAHAHA That's more funny then Terrors hyperbole.

Anyways, as for the otpic on hand, I would like certain things from DAO to come back like being able to DW as a warrior, use bows as a warrior, be a arcane warrior, outfit my companions anyway I want ect but really, DAO was not a "old school rpg". It was a solid rpg but it still streamlined things from IE games, somethings for the good. Overall I will be happy if DA3:I is a good ocmbo of what made DAO good and what made DA2 good.

In this day and age? yes. Fallout one and two are unplayable trash compared to fallout 3 and new vegas, the same goes for baldur's gate and dragon age.The same goes for the old elder scrolls series pre oblivion/skyrim.

Modifié par Emzamination, 27 septembre 2012 - 02:04 .

[GodWood]

Emzamination wrote...
I still remember the first time you gave me that line...You fell on your face that time too. Good times.

I don't recall this, nor you.

[Emzamination]

GodWood wrote...

Emzamination wrote...
I still remember the first time you gave me that line...You fell on your face that time too. Good times.

I don't recall this, nor you.

Luckily my memory is good enough for the both of us and I'm going to leave it at that.

[Mr.House]

Emzamination wrote...

In this day and age? yes. Fallout one and two are unplayable trash compared to fallout 3 and new vegas, the same goes for baldur's gate and dragon age.The same goes for the old elder scrolls series pre oblivion/skyrim.

Funny, I find FO3 unplayable unlike NV,FO and FO2.

PS:T still has good gameplay, still has good characters and still has one of the best stories ever created in a game, none of Biowares games have yet to have a story nearly as good as PS:T, BG2 and JE where close though.

[Terror_K]

Emzamination wrote...

In this day and age? yes. Fallout one and two are unplayable trash compared to fallout 3 and new vegas, the same goes for baldur's gate and dragon age.The same goes for the old elder scrolls series pre oblivion/skyrim.

And this is why the game industry is in a rut of creating samey, brown, dumbed-down, oversimplistic garbage. This is why RPGs are dying a slow death through homogenisation and why BioWare are on the slippery slope they are. Because they're all pandering to this type of mentality and this type of gamer.

[Mr.House]

Terror_K wrote...
So... Dragon Age: Origins with better hair and more diverse skill trees?

Because those are about the only things DA2 did better. There was nothing that "made DA2 good" because it wasn't.

That's your opinion. Not everyone has the same opinion as you.

[Seifer006]

Mr.House wrote...

Terror_K wrote...
So... Dragon Age: Origins with better hair and more diverse skill trees?

Because those are about the only things DA2 did better. There was nothing that "made DA2 good" because it wasn't.

That's your opinion. Not everyone has the same opinion as you.

It's a damn good opinion. Better then most from what I read on these forums

[Zjarcal]

Terror_K wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

It saddens (and even sickens) me that there are so many people supporting BioWare and Dragon Age 3 in these forums considering how they've treated the fanbase over the last few years and the way they pretty much murdered the Dragon Age IP with the second "game" in the series. They'll never learn so long as people keep throwing money at them and don't have enough integrity to walk away when they should.

So your contention is that people who liked DA2 and actually did manage to get a good role playing experience out of it are just fooling themselves and are blinded by what...fanboyism and have no integrity? Get a grip.

DA2 was pretty much a reboot that spat on everything the IP previously stood for and was created to be. I don't see how anybody can be a fan of DA2 and be a fan of what Dragon Age was originally supposed to be. And I don't see how anybody can support BioWare after they intentionally ruined it like they did. If DA2 was merely riddled with mistakes I could see it, but it was bad because BioWare deliberately dumbed it down and strayed away from the original source material just to broaden appeal and pander to the mainstream.

That's unforgivable, IMO: to spend 7-8 years setting up this series to be the great new hope for true RPG fans and then immediately wrench the carpet out from under their feet with the very next game. It's beyond despicable.

Oh look who showed up! 

You make honor to your name, one truly feels nothing but terror reading your posts.

EDIT: Holy crap, your subsequent posts are even MORE overdramatic. 

Modifié par Zjarcal, 27 septembre 2012 - 02:20 .

[Blastback]

Another "your gameplay preferences suck!" discussion. Joy.

I want Dragon Age to continue in the direction of a spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate. BG2 + Throne of Bhaal is still the most fun I've ever had in a computer game. Just my two cents.

[Seifer006]

Terror_K wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

In this day and age? yes. Fallout one and two are unplayable trash compared to fallout 3 and new vegas, the same goes for baldur's gate and dragon age.The same goes for the old elder scrolls series pre oblivion/skyrim.

And this is why the game industry is in a rut of creating samey, brown, dumbed-down, oversimplistic garbage. This is why RPGs are dying a slow death through homogenisation and why BioWare are on the slippery slope they are. Because they're all pandering to this type of mentality and this type of gamer.

Here's a good Video on Pre-Elder Scrolls Game. And why Morrowind was better

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Vandicus wrote...
A. The complexity of the system does not have a direct correlation to how deep it is. THACO, percentile strength, lots of the things that were streamlined into 3rd edition had no effect on depth. The small amount of depth that was lost from 2nd to 3rd was largely the monster specific fluff that had become crunch. Not related to streamlining the system at all.

No? What about about removal of magic items creations? Do you have any idea how it contributed to my roleplaying back then? Do not assume you know how general RPGer play their game. It's common flaw constantly made by gamemasters.

Vandicus wrote...

B. Illusion of choice is the only choice you'll ever have in an rpg.

Really? It never occur to me until I play BioWare's games. Hell, I dont even feel all classics TSR/SSI RPG published by Wizard of Oz offer me illusion of choices. Choices could lead to death especially for novices who cannot learn how to restrain themselves from wandering into high level monsters' territories.
 Even the stats progression have an impact on combat. Do you aware my warrior could deal extra 10 damage just with 1 point of strength? I could make different warriors and knights just by playing around stats. Each Con, Int, Dex and STR ( and even charisma ) translate very well into my play and MY STORY. 

Vandicus wrote...

JRPG does not attempt to manufacture illusion of choice, WRPG does.

Why should JRPG be? JRPG is never about the player. It's about showing animation with preset character to movie fans or combat/action players.

Vandicus wrote...


C. You don't actually make meaningful choices in a sandbox rpg. Sandbox rpgs give you a system to play in, but its just the crpg system minus plot and story.

A crpg is what that matter. Not plot or story since you can create plot or story all by yourself as long as you have the pieces to stick them together into a complete story of your own.

Vandicus wrote...



Now some people enjoy playing singleplayer entirely internally roleplayed characters, but internal roleplaying is not a facet of PnP. PnP roleplaying is external.

Precisely. That is why we have Neverwinter Nights toolset and TES construction Kit. We don't only imagine. We create them in our play,  journey and make it happen.

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 27 septembre 2012 - 02:21 .

[Icinix]

Mr.House wrote...

Terror_K wrote...
So... Dragon Age: Origins with better hair and more diverse skill trees?

Because those are about the only things DA2 did better. There was nothing that "made DA2 good" because it wasn't.

That's your opinion. Not everyone has the same opinion as you.

Indeed - I didn't think the hair was done better at all....and I thought DA2 was lesser for its removal of DAO abilities.

[Mr.House]

Seifer006 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Terror_K wrote...
So... Dragon Age: Origins with better hair and more diverse skill trees?

Because those are about the only things DA2 did better. There was nothing that "made DA2 good" because it wasn't.

That's your opinion. Not everyone has the same opinion as you.

It's a damn good opinion. Better then most from what I read on these forums

Nope, as DAO in my eyes had some big flaws, it's called a prefrence.

[jennamarae]

It's nice to see all the hostility on these boards is still intact...

On topic, I'd be happy if they just made a game that makes it possible to role-play a character of my choosing rather than a set-in-stone "this is your personality so deal with it" character. Even the illusion of having some say in my characters background and attitudes would be better than what we got last time.

[GodWood]

Emzamination wrote...
Luckily my memory is good enough for the both of us and I'm going to leave it at that.

I remember now!

I mistakenly said you were chucking a biodrone hissy fit at one poster when in fact you were chucking a biodrone hissy fit at another poster.

I hardly see that as "falling flat on my face".

[Heimdall]

Terror_K wrote...

How is it being overdramatic?! When BioWare go on and on about Dragon Age being a proper, epic, fantasy RPG for the PC that's a return to their roots and spiritual successor to BG for 7-8 years, getting up the hopes and dreams of dare I say millions of hardcore RPG fans for creating a game that is supposed to buck the trend, and then they immediately turn their back on all of that and make the sequel pretty much exactly what Dragon Age was created to NOT be! All for the sake of pandering to an audience that is already massively overcatered for as it is. All for the sake of extra dosh.

How you people can defend and support a company that does this is beyond me. A company that will dangle your favourite food in front of your face until you get close enough and then give you only one bite before kicking you in the balls, grabbing you by the throat and shoving manure down your gullet. They have no integrity any more, and neither does anybody who is still supporting them.

Unless of course, it was Dragon Age 2 that brought you here, and then it's perfectly understandable.

I am consistently impressed by your ability to take a business decision and try to portray it as if Bioware was intentionally spiting you because they chose to do something other than what you wanted.  You actually seem to want Bioware to not make profit one of their goals. 

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 27 septembre 2012 - 02:18 .

[Blastback]

*Throws rotten fruit at bickering posters*

[GodWood]

Mr.House wrote...
Funny, I find FO3 unplayable unlike NV,FO and FO2.

Me too.

I remember I got it when it first came out and found it to be absolute crap. Later I picked up the first two games and absolutely adored them.

Lord Aesir wrote...
You actually seem to want Bioware to not make profit one of their goals.

I'd argue making cheaper, more old-school titles for a niche audience would more likely garner a greater (or at least equal) profit to what it takes to create (and market) a modern AAA game in an already homogenized, over saturated market.

[Shadow Fox]

Morroian wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

Bethesda are more guilty of streamlining and accessibility than most.

In Morrowind, if you were a thief, you were a thief.  You would need suitable thief skills to join the thieves guild.  You would have a thieves guild quest to steal from the mages guild which would ban your character from ever joining the mages guild.  And to become the master thief, you would need to steal the biggest haul of all.  Your stealthy thief guild master could easily transfer to the Dark Brotherhood but try taking him to the fighters guild, and he'd be stuck killing rats.

In Skyrim you can be the archmage using one magic spell one time (on entry).  You can lead the companions as a stealthy thief or a mage.  In Morrowind, you just couldn't do that. 

 
Or is Bethesda leaving it up to the player to put those limits on themselves. If you want to be a thief play as one and ignore the College of Winterhold. The fact is that most people don't have the self control to restrict themselves like that.

Justin2k wrote...

Skyrim and Oblivion before it were hugely streamlined.  Level 70 dungeons were accessible from level 1 in Morrowind, you would die upon fighting, but if you could run in and steal some loot, you'd be rich for the rest of the game.  Now everythings the same level as you, loot, enemies, armor....  It's the ultimate dumbing down of their "  open world environment where you're given much freedom to be what you want, do what you will and live your character".  Sold a lot more copies this way though.  

Actually Skyrim is an example of streamlining well without dumbing down. You can build completely differe2nt characters within its system. You don't need to be able to manipulate stats to do that.

I'm the ****ing Dragonborn I must be more awesome then anyone else!

[Emzamination]

Terror_K wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

In this day and age? yes. Fallout one and two are unplayable trash compared to fallout 3 and new vegas, the same goes for baldur's gate and dragon age.The same goes for the old elder scrolls series pre oblivion/skyrim.

And this is why the game industry is in a rut of creating samey, brown, dumbed-down, oversimplistic garbage. This is why RPGs are dying a slow death through homogenisation and why BioWare are on the slippery slope they are. Because they're all pandering to this type of mentality and this type of gamer.

I'll take my dumbed down oversimplistic Dragon age magic system over your self-limiting Bg vancian spell casting system any day of the week.This is like comparing the cave man's stone wheel or the wooden cart wheel to the modern rubber tire.Get out the Dark ages, terror

Modifié par Emzamination, 27 septembre 2012 - 02:37 .