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[KENNY4753]

marshalleck wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

Arokel wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

Flemeth will be involved that's obvious but to what extent. Will she become a major player in the events of Thedas or will she just save our PC again like she did with the Warden and Hawke

She will have to put her plans into action sooner or later.  She won't be ignored forever.  People are starting to take notice of her involvement.  Just look at Varric and Cassandra's conversation at the beginning of DA2

I agree. Sooner or later they will have to involve her but I think that she will be on the good side in the end. Just my gut feeling.

Maybe in DA4 if not in DA3

I don't think so. Too many people on this forum have crazy revenge fantasies involving Morrigan and Flemeth. Bioware will cater to them.

It also depends on the type of player you are too. Make it so you can side with Morrigan or Flemeth then. 

We saw how that worked out for people who were okay with working with Cerberus in Mass Effect.

If the player base begins to sympathize a bit too closely with characters the writers don't want us to, they'll do a hatchet job on them and turn them into kitten-stomping jerkwads.

I know what you are saying. I would like to see it where you could side with either Morrigan or Asha'bellannar. If they do it properly it could be great

[Urzon]

Personally, I'd prefer that, instead of Flemeth, Morrigan saves the hero in DA3, maybe not intentionally though. It would be funny if she saves them by mistake, and when the hero goes to thank her; she makes a sarcastic remark that she's picking up the worst of dear old mother's habits.
Plus, Morrigan needs pawns of her own...

[Todd23]

Arokel wrote...

King Cousland wrote...

Todd23 wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

Todd23 wrote...

I just want to kill her.

Why? She's proven to be quite the benefactor in both DAO and DA2, saving the protagonists, and never taking any hostile action other than perhaps defending herself if you so chose to attack her.

Why not?  She is ancient, powerful, and threatened to kill Morrigan.  Plus I don't like leaving things unfinished, I went to kill her in Origins, and damn it.  I'm gonna' do it!

She didn't. Morrigan lied to the Warden in order to achieve her aims (killing Flemeth and acquiring her grimoire). We don't know why Morrigan lied nor do we know what Flemeth's true intentions are or were. 

Also, being ancient and powerful aren't really excuses to kill something. 

I have to ask if there is a canon source behind this or is it just your own theory?

It's his own theory.  Flemeth probably actually had that written in her black grimoire (true or no) and expected Morrigan to find it.  Why?  I don't know.  But I was refering to when Flemeth asks you to walk away and lie to Morrigan.  Knowing what Morrigan told you she says: you get to keep her, for a time.  And maybe one day I surprise her.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Urzon wrote...

Personally, I'd prefer that, instead of Flemeth, Morrigan saves the hero in DA3, maybe not intentionally though. It would be funny if she saves them by mistake, and when the hero goes to thank her; she makes a sarcastic remark that she's picking up the worst of dear old mother's habits.
Plus, Morrigan needs pawns of her own...

Then the DA3 PC kills Morrigan, finally finishing what my Warden started in Witch Hunt.

Modifié par DarkKnightHolmes, 27 septembre 2012 - 08:42 .

[Arokel]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Urzon wrote...

Personally, I'd prefer that, instead of Flemeth, Morrigan saves the hero in DA3, maybe not intentionally though. It would be funny if she saves them by mistake, and when the hero goes to thank her; she makes a sarcastic remark that she's picking up the worst of dear old mother's habits.
Plus, Morrigan needs pawns of her own...

Then the DA3 PC kills Morrigan, finally finishing what my Warden started in Witch Hunt.

I'm guessing you have issue with Morrigan? 

[BiffBuffington]

Flemeth is just a representative of the main antogonist, whom we will meet in the last ten minutes of DA3

[Arokel]

BiffBuffington wrote...

Flemeth is just a representative of the main antogonist, whom we will meet in the last ten minutes of DA3

Its Sandal isn't it? 

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Arokel wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Urzon wrote...

Personally, I'd prefer that, instead of Flemeth, Morrigan saves the hero in DA3, maybe not intentionally though. It would be funny if she saves them by mistake, and when the hero goes to thank her; she makes a sarcastic remark that she's picking up the worst of dear old mother's habits.
Plus, Morrigan needs pawns of her own...

Then the DA3 PC kills Morrigan, finally finishing what my Warden started in Witch Hunt.

I'm guessing you have issue with Morrigan? 

No, I just like killing people in DA series.

[Todd23]

Arokel wrote...

BiffBuffington wrote...

Flemeth is just a representative of the main antogonist, whom we will meet in the last ten minutes of DA3

Its Sandal isn't it? 

Have you ever seen Sandal and Flemeth in the same room?  I didn't think so.

[BiffBuffington]

Arokel wrote...

BiffBuffington wrote...

Flemeth is just a representative of the main antogonist, whom we will meet in the last ten minutes of DA3

Its Sandal isn't it? 

Probably not, after all, he was in the first two games

[King Cousland]

Todd23 wrote...

Arokel wrote...

King Cousland wrote...

Todd23 wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

Todd23 wrote...

I just want to kill her.

Why? She's proven to be quite the benefactor in both DAO and DA2, saving the protagonists, and never taking any hostile action other than perhaps defending herself if you so chose to attack her.

Why not?  She is ancient, powerful, and threatened to kill Morrigan.  Plus I don't like leaving things unfinished, I went to kill her in Origins, and damn it.  I'm gonna' do it!

She didn't. Morrigan lied to the Warden in order to achieve her aims (killing Flemeth and acquiring her grimoire). We don't know why Morrigan lied nor do we know what Flemeth's true intentions are or were. 

Also, being ancient and powerful aren't really excuses to kill something. 

I have to ask if there is a canon source behind this or is it just your own theory?

It's his own theory.  Flemeth probably actually had that written in her black grimoire (true or no) and expected Morrigan to find it.  Why?  I don't know.  But I was refering to when Flemeth asks you to walk away and lie to Morrigan.  Knowing what Morrigan told you she says: you get to keep her, for a time.  And maybe one day I surprise her.

Once again, check the material. And what in Flemeth's sentence implies she will kill Morrigan? Morrigan would have left one way or another depending on whether or not she got her child. Flemeth would know this since the OGB was a plan she hatched. "Surprising" Morrigan does not mean killing or snatching her body. We have no evidence that this was Flemeth's intention (in fact, when confronted about it directly she laughs and says, "Oh! I do like that!") since we never got to read the grimoire ourselves. In fact, the very existance of Yavana implies that Flemeth's methods are not as sinister as Morrigan would have us believe. 

As I said, Flemeth isn't completely trustworthy, but Morrigan did not tell A) the truth and/or the whole story. 

EDIT: For anybody wondering about the specific conversation w/ Flemeth which implies that Morrigan lied it's here and here. 

Modifié par King Cousland, 27 septembre 2012 - 09:13 .

[Todd23]

King Cousland wrote...

Todd23 wrote...

Arokel wrote...

King Cousland wrote...

Todd23 wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

Todd23 wrote...

I just want to kill her.

Why? She's proven to be quite the benefactor in both DAO and DA2, saving the protagonists, and never taking any hostile action other than perhaps defending herself if you so chose to attack her.

Why not?  She is ancient, powerful, and threatened to kill Morrigan.  Plus I don't like leaving things unfinished, I went to kill her in Origins, and damn it.  I'm gonna' do it!

She didn't. Morrigan lied to the Warden in order to achieve her aims (killing Flemeth and acquiring her grimoire). We don't know why Morrigan lied nor do we know what Flemeth's true intentions are or were. 

Also, being ancient and powerful aren't really excuses to kill something. 

I have to ask if there is a canon source behind this or is it just your own theory?

It's his own theory.  Flemeth probably actually had that written in her black grimoire (true or no) and expected Morrigan to find it.  Why?  I don't know.  But I was refering to when Flemeth asks you to walk away and lie to Morrigan.  Knowing what Morrigan told you she says: you get to keep her, for a time.  And maybe one day I surprise her.

Once again, check the material. And what in Flemeth's sentence implies she will kill Morrigan? Morrigan would have left one way or another depending on whether or not she got her child. Flemeth would know this since the OGB was a plan she hatched. "Surprising" Morrigan does not mean killing or snatching her body. We have no evidence that this was Flemeth's intention since we never got to read the grimoire ourselves. In fact, the very existance of Yavana implies that Flemeth's methods are not as sinister as Morrigan would have us believe. 

As I said, Flemeth isn't completely trustworthy, but Morrigan did not tell A) the truth and/or the whole story. 

She knew what was in her grimoire and told Morrigan about it.  Even where to find it.  She makes Morrigan go with you, knowing that you were going to the circle.  Flemeth is not that stupid.  But my point is still that she implies to you that she'll do what she wrote in her grimoire.  That's all, not that she directly says she'll kill her.  I considder that a threat to my girl.  Put on top of that Morrigan telling you to hunt Flemeth if anyone in Witch Hunt.  I will do as my mistress comands.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Todd23 wrote...

She knew what was in her grimoire and told Morrigan about it.  Even where to find it.  She makes Morrigan go with you, knowing that you were going to the circle.  Flemeth is not that stupid.  But my point is still that she implies to you that she'll do what she wrote in her grimoire.  That's all, not that she directly says she'll kill her.  I considder that a threat to my girl.  Put on top of that Morrigan telling you to hunt Flemeth if anyone in Witch Hunt.  I will do as my mistress comands.

Your "mistress" would throw you to the fire the moment the situation would be out of her control. Mind you, that's what I love about Morrigan.

[King Cousland]

Todd23 wrote...

King Cousland wrote...

Todd23 wrote...

Arokel wrote...

King Cousland wrote...

Todd23 wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

Todd23 wrote...

I just want to kill her.

Why? She's proven to be quite the benefactor in both DAO and DA2, saving the protagonists, and never taking any hostile action other than perhaps defending herself if you so chose to attack her.

Why not?  She is ancient, powerful, and threatened to kill Morrigan.  Plus I don't like leaving things unfinished, I went to kill her in Origins, and damn it.  I'm gonna' do it!

She didn't. Morrigan lied to the Warden in order to achieve her aims (killing Flemeth and acquiring her grimoire). We don't know why Morrigan lied nor do we know what Flemeth's true intentions are or were. 

Also, being ancient and powerful aren't really excuses to kill something. 

I have to ask if there is a canon source behind this or is it just your own theory?

It's his own theory.  Flemeth probably actually had that written in her black grimoire (true or no) and expected Morrigan to find it.  Why?  I don't know.  But I was refering to when Flemeth asks you to walk away and lie to Morrigan.  Knowing what Morrigan told you she says: you get to keep her, for a time.  And maybe one day I surprise her.

Once again, check the material. And what in Flemeth's sentence implies she will kill Morrigan? Morrigan would have left one way or another depending on whether or not she got her child. Flemeth would know this since the OGB was a plan she hatched. "Surprising" Morrigan does not mean killing or snatching her body. We have no evidence that this was Flemeth's intention since we never got to read the grimoire ourselves. In fact, the very existance of Yavana implies that Flemeth's methods are not as sinister as Morrigan would have us believe. 

As I said, Flemeth isn't completely trustworthy, but Morrigan did not tell A) the truth and/or the whole story. 

She knew what was in her grimoire and told Morrigan about it.  Even where to find it.  She makes Morrigan go with you, knowing that you were going to the circle.  Flemeth is not that stupid.  But my point is still that she implies to you that she'll do what she wrote in her grimoire.  That's all, not that she directly says she'll kill her.  I considder that a threat to my girl.  Put on top of that Morrigan telling you to hunt Flemeth if anyone in Witch Hunt.  I will do as my mistress comands.

Oh, from a roleplaying perspective I certainly agree (most of my Wardens including my canon one killed Flemeth) that Flemeth could be seen as deserving death. However, as a (somewhat) omniscient audience we have the privilage of analysing things with the bigger picture in mind. Putting aside the views of our characters, do you not think it possible that Morrigan simply wanted Flemeth out of the way (perhaps, "delayed" is more accurate since Morri openly admits that Flemmy will be back) solely for the furtherance of her own power?

[phoenicurus]

Who knows, maybe she is still having private love duels with Hawke.

Modifié par phoenicurus, 27 septembre 2012 - 09:26 .

[Todd23]

King Cousland wrote...

Todd23 wrote...

King Cousland wrote...

Todd23 wrote...

Arokel wrote...

King Cousland wrote...

Todd23 wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

Todd23 wrote...

I just want to kill her.

Why? She's proven to be quite the benefactor in both DAO and DA2, saving the protagonists, and never taking any hostile action other than perhaps defending herself if you so chose to attack her.

Why not?  She is ancient, powerful, and threatened to kill Morrigan.  Plus I don't like leaving things unfinished, I went to kill her in Origins, and damn it.  I'm gonna' do it!

She didn't. Morrigan lied to the Warden in order to achieve her aims (killing Flemeth and acquiring her grimoire). We don't know why Morrigan lied nor do we know what Flemeth's true intentions are or were. 

Also, being ancient and powerful aren't really excuses to kill something. 

I have to ask if there is a canon source behind this or is it just your own theory?

It's his own theory.  Flemeth probably actually had that written in her black grimoire (true or no) and expected Morrigan to find it.  Why?  I don't know.  But I was refering to when Flemeth asks you to walk away and lie to Morrigan.  Knowing what Morrigan told you she says: you get to keep her, for a time.  And maybe one day I surprise her.

Once again, check the material. And what in Flemeth's sentence implies she will kill Morrigan? Morrigan would have left one way or another depending on whether or not she got her child. Flemeth would know this since the OGB was a plan she hatched. "Surprising" Morrigan does not mean killing or snatching her body. We have no evidence that this was Flemeth's intention since we never got to read the grimoire ourselves. In fact, the very existance of Yavana implies that Flemeth's methods are not as sinister as Morrigan would have us believe. 

As I said, Flemeth isn't completely trustworthy, but Morrigan did not tell A) the truth and/or the whole story. 

She knew what was in her grimoire and told Morrigan about it.  Even where to find it.  She makes Morrigan go with you, knowing that you were going to the circle.  Flemeth is not that stupid.  But my point is still that she implies to you that she'll do what she wrote in her grimoire.  That's all, not that she directly says she'll kill her.  I considder that a threat to my girl.  Put on top of that Morrigan telling you to hunt Flemeth if anyone in Witch Hunt.  I will do as my mistress comands.

Oh, from a roleplaying perspective I certainly agree (most of my Wardens including my canon one killed Flemeth) that Flemeth could be seen as deserving death. However, as a (somewhat) omniscient audience we have the privilage of analysing things with the bigger picture in mind. Putting aside the views of our characters, do you not think it possible that Morrigan simply wanted Flemeth out of the way (perhaps, "delayed" is more accurate since Morri openly admits that Flemmy will be back) solely for the furtherance of her own power?

While I do think she has her own schemes.  I think most of the sceming is done by Flemeth, and probably some of Morrigan's schemes are Flemeths doing.  According to DA2 Morrigan is not her daughter, but she raised her to be as she is.  I think that means that Flemeth planned a person like Morrigan as a piece to the puzzle simply for her plans.  My only question to all that she's doing, is:  Why?

[Bardox9]

If the memory flashes in the DA:2 trailer are any hint, Flemeth still has a huge role to play in the saga. She stand before an army of mages poised for battle against an army of Templars... I think they are Templars anyway. I don't think they are going to explain the entire mystery of Flemeth in DA:3, but instead give yet another tiny piece of the puzzle.

[Thibax]

Flemeth playable!
I want Dragon shapeshifter hahahah

[Potato Cat]

AndersIsLush wrote...

Spoiler: Flemeth is Andraste

But seriously... I hope she doesn't turn out to be the bad guy. That would be too obvious.

I want her to be the bad guy, but Morrigan too, and then have it sort of grey of who's the lesser of the two, for lack of a better word, evils.

[Vilegrim]

Hopefully dying, painfully and slowly. At Morrigans hands, over the course of decades.  And then never appearing in a Bioware product again..not even as a mention.

Modifié par Vilegrim, 13 janvier 2013 - 07:07 .

[XX-Pyro]

She seems kind of like a MacGuffin at this point, considering how little we know. Then again the plot doesn't revolve around her so I guess not.

I hope she ends up as a "good guy".

[BlazingSpeed]

Vandicus wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

Dragon swoops in and kills enemy.
Player: "Flemeth! Thank god you have arrived, just in the nick of time!"
Dragon: I'm not Flemeth.....RAWR!"
Player: "Damn."

We kill dragons all the time. Now if it spoke and was actually not Flemeth, then damn is totally an appropriate response.