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[Yobel]

 I would like to say big NO to actually anything that comes from Orlais - language (accent I mean), land, characters, quests, etc. Dragon Age franchaise has so rich and beautifull world, it doesn't need this irritating, pretentious fragment of the lore.

I respect that someone wants to dig in in this France-styled part of the lore, but I personally think it sucks. You can easily do showy accent in English, without running to France, which doesn't complement the world of DA AT ALL. It doesn't stick, it doesn't mash, is a puzzle that doesn't really give justice to the rest of the beautifly crafted lore.

So no, I don't wannna Orlais in any form in DA III and in future games in DA world, hope some people agree with me. Orlais is boring and it's like chalk and cheese!

[Dio Demon]

Thedas is actually inspired by Medieval Europe so it would make sense France = Orlais, France is in Europe last time I checked (but that is subject to change at my whim and my whim only) and anyway NO-ONE aside from BioWare Developers and few lucky individuals have any real idea what Orlais will look like aside from Stereotypes and Leliana's description. So as they say to knock it until you try it.

[Herr Uhl]

YobelX wrote...

It doesn't stick, it doesn't mash, is a puzzle that doesn't really give justice to the rest of the beautifly crafted lore.

And I was under the impression that it was one of the centrepieces (or cornerpieces might be a better analogy) to the lore.

Most of what we've seen of Orlesians thus far has been played for laughs (poncy nobles being ponces), I highly doubt everything is that way.

[Plaintiff]

The most powerful country on the entire continent is a "pretentious fragment" of the lore?

Orlais sounds amazing. I'm sick of trudging through mud and grey stone. I want to see the fantastic architecture of Val Royeaux.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 25 septembre 2012 - 09:50 .

[KiwiQuiche]

I really damn hope we just visit that place and not live there; I couldn't tolerate those clothing obsessed idiots and their voices. And if the main character has an Orlesian accent BLEGH

[Yobel]

You can easily mention this 'most powerful country in the lore' without actually going into it, have quests and characters and this most annoing accent inside the game. OK, it's rather important to the game, but I don't wanna heard anything about it. I agree, making fun of Orlais can be fun, I understand that people like to make analogies between the lore and the real world, but I don't like France, sorry but hate the accent and I find everything about them to be pretentious. Sorry, that's how I see it. Accent alone makes my ears bleed.

It isn't too dificult to just dance around the subject without actually stuff it in the game itself. Please BioWare, forget about this annoing place - Orlais!

[Plaintiff]

Ohhhhhhhhhhh, so you hate the French.

Well, that makes everything better.

[Foolsfolly]

It's not like we have a say on where DA3 will take place.

And even if we did I wouldn't say no to Orlais. I'd say no to Ferelden or Kirkwall though. Show more of the world before we return to Ferelden.

[whykikyouwhy]

YobelX wrote...
It isn't too dificult to just dance around the subject without actually stuff it in the game itself. Please BioWare, forget about this annoing place - Orlais!

I doubt that Orlais will be so readily cast aside as fodder in the DA-verse, considering that its significance was evident in Origins - Empress Celene was going to aid Fereldan in its battle against the Blight, and there were tensions within Fereldan due to the previous occupation by Orlais. The empire and its people are deeply ingrained in and tied to the events currently taking place in the narrative. I don't think there's a way to not include something Orlesian.

[LTD]

I wonder if posters home nation and how annoying the accent sounds to their ears correlates. I'm guessing it is British and/or Americans who find it so annoying somehow?
In my Finnish ears it rings sensual infested-in-scheme accent of betrayal and secrets, I quite like it..If it comes out of a mouth of a good VA. IIRC I really enjoyed everything I heard of Orlais in DA:O(with exception of Leliana's Song which, ofc, was utter ****)

.....Just be glad they don't speak with Finnish accent:P

Modifié par LTD, 25 septembre 2012 - 10:01 .

[Yobel]

Plaintiff wrote...

Ohhhhhhhhhhh, so you hate the French.

Well, that makes everything better.

Hate is a very strong word and it's reserved to emotions that are ugly and very, very bad. I don't hate French, I am not even American:P All I am saying is - I find everything related to French and their culture (well, almost) irritating as hell and boring. And from my point of view, what BioWare made in the past, and regarding the Dragon Age lore, reflects that perfectly, which unfortunattely, isn't good for the game itself. 

I belive franciscoamell has a point - Tevinter, Rivain and Antiva are brutal, dark and fascingating places, kinda you know they dangerous and you wanna be there in the game, but not exactly in the real world. The world of Orlais, with their fancy, colorfull, enjoyable clothes, accent that makes you wonder isn't Orlais the whole different planet inside Dragon Age lore, don't mesh.

Modifié par YobelX, 25 septembre 2012 - 10:13 .

[Cutlass Jack]

I say YES to Orlais. I've been wanting to play there since DAO. Even moreso since MoA. So hush up and fetch my my rapier. There's swashbuckling to be done.

[mousestalker]

Je dis oui a la Orlais.

[Das Tentakel]

LTD wrote...

I wonder if posters home nation and how annoying the accent sounds to their ears correlates. I'm guessing it is British and/or Americans who find it so annoying somehow?
In my Finnish ears it rings sensual infested-in-scheme accent of betrayal and secrets, I quite like it..If it comes out of a mouth of a good VA. IIRC I really enjoyed everything I heard of Orlais in DA:O(with exception of Leliana's Song which, ofc, was utter ****)

.....Just be glad they don't speak with Finnish accent:P

There is probably no correlation. We are all reasonable people here. Any impression created of Orlesians being mostly evil-ish and/or silly is pure misunderstanding on our (the gamers’) part. It’s really cool and impressive, once we see it. It’ll be like Gondor, only ten times as cool. But with French accents.

If not, we can always wail and whine afterwards.

Agree about the Finnish accent. Or a Dutch accent, that could be pretty bad too.

www.youtube.com/watch

[hobbit of the shire]

If it's set in Orlais, I do hope it is a rich and varied world instead of foo-foo and annoying accents (as what I've gathered from Leliana and other Orlesians we've met). I'm not an expert in European history, but if they are modelling Orlais after medieval France, then it shouldn't be crazy different than Ferelden. Middle France would be pretty cool to see. Language (which is like a mix of Latin and modern French), culture and religion would be interesting. However, if it's modelled after baroque France, then let the foo-foo "let them eat cake" fest begin!

That being said, the Orlesian accents we've heard so far are very grating. I like the French language so I dunno maybe it's the VAs or that they aren't speaking French but English! Maybe they should be voiced by very lightly-accented speakers..... French people that moved to English-speaking places when they were teens or something so have a natural tinge of an accent. Nothing forced. Or just different vocabulary. Stick in a few different words. Like, do they say messere when they address people?

Some Orlesian finery is okay, but if every single person in Orlais is dressed like Louis XIV, then that would be annoying. Most people would be poor commonfolk and such and be dressed like other regular Fereldens. Perhaps the arts is a bit more revered in Orlais so there could be a bit more visually-interesting art/architecture and some unique Orlesian music (any decent composer should be able to artificially create a specific "Orlesian" sound.... heck, just use renaissance French music, which is quite different from renaissance English music [if that is Ferelden]). But, I don't want to be seeing troubadours prancing about on every street corner.

Yeah, Orlais is okay, as long as there isn't prancing. :-P

[Dominus]

BioWare appreciates your feedback, but I feel the need to disagree with you. Looking above at the reasoning for your proposition to remove Orlais completely from the Dragon Age Universe, it seems to be purely due to the accents. I'm quite confident that Post-Launch, the accents would've been one of many issues addressed to the developers. I do agree that it came off weird in my playthroughs. Completely removing Orlais from the picture, however, seems like a very extreme response to a relatively small issue from Dragon Age.

I'm going to have to say NO... to completely removing Orlais in DA3. If they can pull it off without Orlais feeling out of place and contrived, I'm game for it. Yeah, the accents needed work. Doesn't mean you have to blow it out of the game completely.

[mousestalker]

hobbit_of_the_shire wrote...

That being said, the Orlesian accents we've heard so far are very grating. I like the French language so I dunno maybe it's the VAs or that they aren't speaking French but English! Maybe they should be voiced by very lightly-accented speakers..... French people that moved to English-speaking places when they were teens or something so have a natural tinge of an accent. Nothing forced. Or just different vocabulary. Stick in a few different words. Like, do they say messere when they address people?

Some Orlesian finery is okay, but if every single person in Orlais is dressed like Louis XIV, then that would be annoying. Most people would be poor commonfolk and such and be dressed like other regular Fereldens. Perhaps the arts is a bit more revered in Orlais so there could be a bit more visually-interesting art/architecture and some unique Orlesian music (any decent composer should be able to artificially create a specific "Orlesian" sound.... heck, just use renaissance French music, which is quite different from renaissance English music [if that is Ferelden]). But, I don't want to be seeing troubadours prancing about on every street corner.

Yeah, Orlais is okay, as long as there isn't prancing. :-P

The paragraph just described Corinne Kempe, who voiced Leliana. Just FYI.

As for the last paragraph, try speaking with Liselle in the Denerim Market in DAO. You'll get an earful about the difference between the nobles and the commoners in Orlais.

[Maclimes]

Plaintiff wrote...

Ohhhhhhhhhhh, so you hate the French.

Well, that makes everything better.

I laughed so hard, I spit milk out my nose. Which is insane, because I'm not even drinking milk.

[Yobel]

DominusVita wrote...

BioWare appreciates your feedback, but I feel the need to disagree with you. Looking above at the reasoning for your proposition to remove Orlais completely from the Dragon Age Universe, it seems to be purely due to the accents.

Please read my other posts in this topic, accent it's the first that comes to mind. Orlais doesn't add up, regarding the rest of the universum. It's too... well... colorfull, enjoyable, too pretentious. Rest of the DA lore isn't this at all, so it feels like whole new planet. It's like World of Warcraft parts of the world - here we have snow, than we have desert, than we have forest - but in terms of inner, spirituall and cultural feel. Orlais isn't the part of the lore for me, it's a part of fantasy kitchen sink, that is a logotype for World of Warcraft. DA is way too good for that<_<

[Masha Potato]

Say no to Orlais, eh? I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your gender direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.

[Das Tentakel]

Hopefully the Orlesians have a sense of humour...

YobelX wrote...

Orlais doesn't add up, regarding the rest of the universum. It's too... well... colorfull, enjoyable, too pretentious. Rest of the DA lore isn't this at all, so it feels like whole new planet. It's like World of Warcraft parts of the world - here we have snow, than we have desert, than we have forest - but in terms of inner, spirituall and cultural feel. Orlais isn't the part of the lore for me, it's a part of fantasy kitchen sink, that is a logotype for World of Warcraft. DA is way too good for that<_<

Yobel, Thedas IS an 'everything but the kitchensink' setting. Accept it in your heart and the truth will set you free.

Then sit back, relax and enjoy the ride. If the ride itself is any good, that is:unsure:.

Modifié par Das Tentakel, 25 septembre 2012 - 11:04 .

[Fast Jimmy]

I'm not the biggest fan of Orlesian accents either, but it looks like Orlais is going to be ground zero for most of the events for DA3, at least starting out it seems.

I would very much like to travel to Tevinter, Rivain, even Par Vollen all would be cool locations to visit, and given the map of the possible world DA3 could cover (tentatively, of course), these locations could be included.

The redeeming hope in my mind is that parts of Val Royeaux, from Leliana's description, sound much more like New Orleans, with its musicians and parties, than Paris. I'd like to see a healthy combination of the two cultures, with the French, stuffy side as one part and the wild, partying fun side as another.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 25 septembre 2012 - 10:59 .