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[EricHVela]

The teaser we got of Orlais in MotA and the stories we've heard, it's obvious that Orlesians have a certain, how the French say, I don't know what.

Part of me hopes they actually use spoken French and not just "French" accents (or rather, what people think a French accent sounds like).

"C'est la vie. C'est l'amour. C'est la guerre."

EDIT: To clarify, I would like to see them use French in the English version.

Modifié par ReggarBlane, 27 septembre 2012 - 12:15 .

[Oloos]

Being french myself, i must admit that the game taking place in Orlais makes me worried a little bit. Not about the culture or the clothes centered mind of the inhabitants (it's obviously a nobles thing only). It's just about the accent.

Lelianna's was great, the other ones, not so much. They are just "over the top", "cliche".

To be honest, there is, in fact, french people who talks like that. But they are those who don't really speaks english, or just really bad. Those who don't practice, those who don't hear english every days. The other ones, even if they don't have an accent as good as Lelianna's, are just "correct". And "correct" is NOT in any means Isolde accent (which is even worse knowing she is suppposed to have lived in Ferelden since years and still have this awfull accent)... 

So yeah... I may be a little worried about the game taking place in Orlais.





Other option, every one in Orlais (player included) just speaks plain french with english subtitles... THAT would be very fun i'd say...  (and even more fun on the forums)

[cindercatz]

It would, except I tend not to display subtitles while I play. Even when I played Sleeping Dogs and they start speaking Mandarin, which I don't speak any of at all, I tend to avoid subtitles while playing. lol

But hey, I watch a lot of foreign films with subtitles, so I'm down.

ReggarBlane wrote...

EDIT: To clarify, I would like to see them use French in the English version.

Same here, ambient dialogue and inserts, all that, like Assassin's Creed 2. There aren't many English language games that use French at all, or well. Would be very cool, done right.

Modifié par cindercatz, 27 septembre 2012 - 12:50 .

[Jerrybnsn]

I've been avoiding this thread, because I don't want them to say no to Orlais, but am looking forward to seeing it and hearing frnch accents; however, I knowt that only a few key characters will have accents while the rest speak British or American.

[cindercatz]

I honestly hope that, except when we visit Fereldan and such, there are very few British accents present in the game, or American visiting Orzammar, etc. It wouldn't make a lot of sense to me.

I do hope the Dalish are present and keep their Welsh accents, however.

[MiSS Provencale]

Assassin's creed 2 is for me the best game in the world. We discovered the Italian Renaissance in all its splendor even though it's still a video game.<3

To return a DA3, I just wish it n 'there will be no negative French as the baguette, wine and cheese (though Alistair love her!).:wub:

Orlais definitely holds the key to many things in DA3. Cassandra and Leliana review will be great even if I start to doubt their intentions ... she did not seem at all clear ...

In advance if my English is incomprehensible I apologize. I am French and I try to make every effort to express myself best.:sick:

Friendly.

MiSS

[Abraham_uk]

MiSS Provencale wrote...

Assassin's creed 2 is for me the best game in the world. We discovered the Italian Renaissance in all its splendor even though it's still a video game.<3

To return a DA3, I just wish it n 'there will be no negative French as the baguette, wine and cheese (though Alistair love her!).:wub:

Orlais definitely holds the key to many things in DA3. Cassandra and Leliana review will be great even if I start to doubt their intentions ... she did not seem at all clear ...

In advance if my English is incomprehensible I apologize. I am French and I try to make every effort to express myself best.:sick:

Friendly.

MiSS

I had no trouble understanding your English.
In fact had you not told me English wasn't your first language, I'd be none the wiser.
Seriously, your attention to spelling and grammar is superior to mine (and English is my first language).
So apology is not necessary.

Regarding what you said. I don't have a clue why Orlais is seen as a poor choice as a location.

2 of the most interesting characters were born there.
It is an opportunity to be introduced to a new country with different culture and values.
French people in real life are pretty interesting, and I'm interested to see how their quirks, mannerisms and culture translate into the Dragon Age universe.

[cindercatz]

MiSS Provencale wrote...

Assassin's creed 2 is for me the best game in the world. We discovered the Italian Renaissance in all its splendor even though it's still a video game.<3

To return a DA3, I just wish it n 'there will be no negative French as the baguette, wine and cheese (though Alistair love her!).:wub:

Orlais definitely holds the key to many things in DA3. Cassandra and Leliana review will be great even if I start to doubt their intentions ... she did not seem at all clear ...

In advance if my English is incomprehensible I apologize. I am French and I try to make every effort to express myself best.:sick:

Friendly.

MiSS

lol, no problem :-) I haven't really spoken French in more than ten years, so I think it will be good, or something. lol I know I have some of it locked in my head somewhere.

AC2 was awesome for me, particularly running around Firenze, because I could follow the streets and kind of knew where I was. Very cool. Orlais won't have that of course, but I think it will take a lot from that, from Rome, seems. I'm really looking forward to this game more and more I think.

edit: Hey Abe, I don't think it's seen negatively by most people. I think some people a little less familiar with French ambiance in general might be a little apprehensive, but most people seem pretty positive, I think. I've got high hopes.

Modifié par cindercatz, 27 septembre 2012 - 01:13 .

[Jerrybnsn]

Tres bon.

[dancarrero]

YobelX wrote...

 I would like to say big NO to actually anything that comes from Orlais - language (accent I mean), land, characters, quests, etc. Dragon Age franchaise has so rich and beautifull world, it doesn't need this irritating, pretentious fragment of the lore.

I respect that someone wants to dig in in this France-styled part of the lore, but I personally think it sucks. You can easily do showy accent in English, without running to France, which doesn't complement the world of DA AT ALL. It doesn't stick, it doesn't mash, is a puzzle that doesn't really give justice to the rest of the beautifly crafted lore.

So no, I don't wannna Orlais in any form in DA III and in future games in DA world, hope some people agree with me. Orlais is boring and it's like chalk and cheese!

So I imagine you probably won't be playing DA3 because Orlais is a given,at least a little.

[Abraham_uk]

I don't mind where the game is set.

As long as the story makes sense.
As long as the characters, plot, and art direction is interesting and consistent with previous titles.
As long as the game's combat is more indepth than mindless button mashing.
As long as progressing through the game requires use of brain on higher difficulty setting.

Higher difficulties like Dragon Age Nightmere and Mass Effect Insanity must be about as grueling as playing chess against a computer who is capable of thinking 3-4 moves ahead.

[MiSS Provencale]

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

cindercatz wrote...

ReggarBlane wrote...

EDIT: To clarify, I would like to see them use French in the English version.

Same here, ambient dialogue and inserts, all that, like Assassin's Creed 2. There aren't many English language games that use French at all, or well. Would be very cool, done right.

Yes, totally agree. To 'mark' an Orlesian using french titels to adress him/her and use certain french words in conversation would be a very good idea. A lot of french expressions are very well integrated in the english language and can be used because most people understand what is being said.

:crying:Oooooh please it is not just these things that are clichés. Believe me when I see her I feel uncomfortable because they make fun of us poor French really lol. I never play good in English so if it can do some fun ...

Come and you will see that France has the most hand on heart that you think.B)

[hexaligned]

Isolde's Voice actor: Do not use her. I can not stress this enough.

[cindercatz]

Abraham_uk wrote...

As long as the story makes sense.
As long as the characters, plot, and art direction is interesting and consistent with previous titles.
As long as the game's combat is more indepth than mindless button mashing.
As long as progressing through the game requires use of brain on higher difficulty setting.

Higher difficulties like Dragon Age Nightmere and Mass Effect Insanity must be about as grueling as playing chess against a computer who is capable of thinking 3-4 moves ahead.

Check, check, check, and check, agreed. I get bored pretty quick with same ol' same ol', tappity tappity tap pause tappity and so on. lol

[EricHVela]

It seems that the OP has caused the exact opposite to happen from the OP's apparent intent.

Instead of support against Orlais, there is overwhelming support for Orlais ... as long as they do it well.

What I don't want: French snobs and cockney oppressed guttersnipes.

What I do want: a diverse culture with the castes, politics, cliques as we've been led to believe exists -- with a twist of reality versus hear-say to show us the real Orlais and not just a visualization of the stories we've heard about it.

You can't really know Orlais until you experience it first-hand. Stories about Orlais might have truth in them, but that's not enough to know Orlais. That's the Orlais I want.

Notice that my reason has little to do with French? I would love to have a game with a very strong French aspect for once, but that's not my overall motive. The stories about Orlais are fascinating but quite a stretch to be 100% realistic.

[cindercatz]

Agreed. I've been looking forward to seeing the other side of the story since DA:O.

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

cindercatz wrote...

I honestly hope that, except when we visit Fereldan and such, there are very few British accents present in the game, or American visiting Orzammar, etc. It wouldn't make a lot of sense to me.

I do hope the Dalish are present and keep their Welsh accents, however.

To differentiate people from different nations and cultures there are three things that make that possible:

1) speech
2) looks
3) clothes

The difficulty in that is to find the balance in that. Speech is obviously the one that can be exagerated to much and instead of adding to it it can make it sound...silly . Having the fun element in certain situations with that is of course great.

Would love to see more difference in the clothes that are worn by people of different regions. Ferelden and Orlais seem to be opposites in many ways but one could not really see much difference in appearance in that regard between people.

Agreed. Also, architecture, and expression, and social expectations (like how far someone stands from the other while talking, etc.) but those last two're a lot harder to do.

Modifié par cindercatz, 27 septembre 2012 - 01:38 .

[cindercatz]

MiSS Provencale wrote...

:crying:Oooooh please it is not just these things that are clichés. Believe me when I see her I feel uncomfortable because they make fun of us poor French really lol. I never play good in English so if it can do some fun ...

Come and you will see that France has the most hand on heart that you think.B)

They did a little too much characiture in the first two games, but there were some honest attempts as well (Leliana, of course, a few others, but still faux french :-/ ). It's gonna be cool to see what they can do when they really take it serious.

[MiSS Provencale]

If DA3 should take place in Orlais, I hope they recruit for French development of the game Not really I'm afraid just by seeing the clothes with colors Orlais "candy." They're going to blow the beret with Leliana bottle of wine in his left hand. hahahaha ... after it is surprising that the French have a bad reputation ...

[cindercatz]

MiSS Provencale wrote...

If DA3 should take place in Orlais, I hope they recruit for French development of the game Not really I'm afraid just by seeing the clothes with colors Orlais "candy." They're going to blow the beret with Leliana bottle of wine in his left hand. hahahaha ... after it is surprising that the French have a bad reputation ...

Same here, hoping for a mix of Quebec French-Canadian and French, depending on who the best people are for each role. They've got some advantages, being based where they are and having in-house translation, I'm sure some native French speakers, and all that. Also, Canada's entertainment industry has boomed in recent years because they've got supportive tax incentives and such for the film industry vs. the US (for one). Casting shouldn't be a problem. I expect it will be done well.

[MiSS Provencale]

As Ubisoft is French and who settled in Vancouver. it is sure to tax companies 75% **** Mr. François Hollande has not arranged things for us .. Brief regarding Orlais I just hope not to see too many clichés clothing .. colors .. beurk!!! Lol

[Sandy]

I hope that Orlais isn't made too French. I mean I like the country from what we have heard and seen so far, and I'm cool with the accent as long as it is subtle. Some characters can be more extreme accents of course, I'm ok with that, but I'd rather they try to come up with a unique Orlesian accent instead of copying an over-the-top french accent. Look how they did the Nord accent in Skyrim, it's still very much an understandable English, it just has a slower, Scandinavian / slavic drawl to it. I'm Swedish, and I really liked how the Nords were handled when it comes to their language. It wasn't just Swedish-copy, Norwegian-copy or whatever, it has traces of both Norse, slavic and perhaps something else that I haven't identified.

Also, no actual spoken French in the english version, PLEASE. That would just be so wrong. They are not speaking English or french in Thedas in my mind, they are speaking whatever language they are speaking but it is 'translated' for us gamers into English when we read or hear it. At least that's the way I see it. Using French or Italian in games set in out world is fine, but Thedas is a whole other world, and mixing in our languages just makes no sense to me. Accents are great since they help make the fantasy world feel larger, but if you have to use other actual languages than English, make them original fantasy languages (like Elvish, Dwarven or the Qunari language) instead of existing real-world ones.

[LPPrince]

Even in Orlais not everyone will sound Orlesian, so people should relax.

[Justin2k]

I think they're going to visit set locations for each game and try to establish a world lore (ie Elder Scrolls) rather than a lore based on a particular character (ie Mass Effect). That being said, Orlais is one of the most mentioned and most represented territories in the dragon age universe, so I'd imagine they'd go there.  If every character had the accent it wouldn't be so bad.  The problem is when only one person sounds that way it really sticks out.  If you play Assassins Creed 2, you soon get used to everyone sounding Italian but if only Claudia did, she'd get on your nerves. 

Modifié par Justin2k, 27 septembre 2012 - 06:00 .