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[Maclimes]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

What individual personality? The warden's personality was the player's personality.There was no good/evil meter measuring his/her actions.

The Warden's personality is the one assigned him by the player.  BioWare has no idea what that personality is.

With the hundreds of side quests and main quests, they could sort of "extrapolate" a personality for him/her. Or if not a personality, at least an understanding of goals and general attitude.

IF the Warden shows up, it needs to be so brief that this tiny snippet of information is enough. (In other words, no long drawn out conversations where you learn about his/her personality. Keep it short, and stick to the important issues, and it might not be too painful ... maybe.

[Fiacre]

  You're wrong because your Warden only has the options Bioware gives
him/her. It may be your character, but it's Bioware's story and happens
between games is not up to you. Maybe Shea recommitted himself to the
Wardens? Maybe ignoring the Calling put his family in danger because of
the taint so he goes on the calling to do one last act of good before he
dies? If Bioware thinks that's a good way to go about it then that's
what will happen.

If Bioware decides that, it does indeed happen. That doesn't stop recommitting himself from being OOC, nor does it stop me from questioning why he couldn't just stab himself, but I'd have to deal with it. It's simply... I'd much rather not deal with it, which is why I argue against it. Since your idea isn't canon yet, Bioware hasn't narrowed my -- Shea's -- options down to what you've presented and I'm free to say that I don't like it and it'd be OOC without wanting to break out of the restrictions Bioware placed on me.

Modifié par Fiacre, 25 septembre 2012 - 08:49 .

[Jerrybnsn]

Fiacre wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

But it seems to come down, which unsatisfactory aspect can they use without upsetting the most fans.

That is the conlcusion I've come to as well (in fact, I've even gone so far as to inlude playable aspects, since I dread to think what the new conversation system would make him into -- it's fine for new characters, but there's too much headcanon for him now) and have decided that the least upsetting idea is leaving him disappeared for me. Just my personal opinion, of course.

So the question comes down to, why are they even thinking about bringing back the warden or giving some sense of closure if they know there'll be backlash?  Because the fans want their warden back. But at the same time, if they can't play their warden a lot of these same fans don't want to see him/her at all and ruin their previous warden experience.

[Shadow Fox]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Hello tiny little kettle meet the big fat pot.

I'm not a writer and don't claim to be one. I don't think you know what that phrase means.

Maclimes wrote...

If Bioware didn't have a plan for the
Warden, the whole dissapearance thing would never have been mentioned.
They would have just ignored him.

The fact that they went out of
their way to say, "The Warden's story is not quite over!" tells me
they've got something up their sleeve.

I think Mass Effect 3 proves that they don't have all the details worked out before they make the sequels.

Fiacre wrote...

I'm not a professional, nor do I have any
desire to be one, but I still write :| And "Are you a writer?" is not an
argument. I don't think your idea would make for a satisfactory
conclusion to the Warden's story -- particularly in my case, since I can
only really know my own thoughts and feelings on the matter. I see not
why it is so difficult for you to accept that others don't like your
idea and prefer something you dislike. It happens.

I don't mind if you don't like the idea. But your reason for not liking it is childish. Your Warden would rather be executed than answer the Calling? That's childish and that's why I compared it to a Warden riding the Archdemon with a bag of goodies for children.

NO you apparently don't know  what it means calling someone's ideas childish while refusing to accept that your own idea is childish it's self is a case of pot and kettle.

Modifié par Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke, 25 septembre 2012 - 08:54 .

[unbentbuzzkill]

if bioware would have just stuck with one protag none of this would be a issue i'm just saying.

[Jerrybnsn]

Fiacre wrote...


Unless Bioware can make a cameo that works with all the different personlities a Warden can have developed in the limitations Origin presented us with -- which Shea fits into, your idea does not -- any cameo will be unsatisfactory.

And this is the out that Mike Laidlaw and David Gaider have repeated.  If they feel they can't do justice to the warden's appearance then they just won't do it.  Which means "We're not going to have the Warden return"....just a codex.

[TEWR]

My Warden went through the Eluvian with Morrigan.

[Fiacre]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

So the question comes down to, why are they even thinking about bringing back the warden or giving some sense of closure if they know there'll be backlash?  Because the fans want their warden back. But at the same time, if they can't play their warden a lot of these same fans don't want to see him/her at all and ruin their previous warden experience.

Indeed. I wanted him back at first as well, but I've resinged myself to making AU runs with him on my shiny, new PC version and drawing lots of fanart. Still seems like the best solution to me, as much as randomly disappearing is a kind of "meh" ending for any character.

Edit:

And this is the out that Mike Laidlaw and David Gaider have repeated. 
If they feel they can't do justice to the warden's appearance then they
just won't do it.  Which means "We're not going to have the Warden
return"....just a codex.

That's what I least read about the topic as well and is indeed what I like the most. Guess I'm lucky.

Modifié par Fiacre, 25 septembre 2012 - 08:59 .

[Vandicus]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

My Warden went through the Eluvian with Morrigan.

So did mine. I wanted to learn about the Matrix.

[Shadow Fox]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Well he wasn't on his calling in Origins....and if he was twenty in 910 that would make him 40 years old in 930.  Do you say this is reasonable?  Remember, Fiona was ten years older than Duncan and she had a child shortly after those events.  And just because Duncan tells Alistair that he's thinking he'll go on his calling soon, doesn't mean he meant that year or the next or the next, which will put him closer to the thirty year mark.

(Side note: That would make Fiona, who everyone is expecting an appearance in DA3, 60 years old!)

The Warden's don't have long after they feel the calling before they start showing signs of the taint taking hold. The Calling novel established that.
Fiona has either been retconned out of being a Warden has done some mysrerious thing to cleanse herself of the taint. No Wardens live that long. Duncan said as much in Origins.

And who is this "everyone" who's expecting Fiona to appear in DA3?

Fiona wasn't mentioned by Duncan in Origins because she's an impossibley rare case don't want to give em false hope plus if knowledge that the taint could be cured gets out do you really think that they wouldn't try to replicate it? It'd be Avernus all over again even Wardens have lines they wont cross.

Because she's the defacto leader of the mage rebellion.

[Shadow Fox]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
NO you apparently don't know  what it means calling someone's ideas childish while refusing to accept that your own idea is childish it's self is a case of pot and kettle.

Umm, who called my idea childish? That remark was not at all logical.

I.  just.  DID!

[Jerrybnsn]

BrotherWarth wrote...

The Warden's don't have long after they feel the calling before they start showing signs of the taint taking hold. The Calling novel established that.
Fiona has either been retconned out of being a Warden has done some mysrerious thing to cleanse herself of the taint. No Wardens live that long. Duncan said as much in Origins.

And who is this "everyone" who's expecting Fiona to appear in DA3?

1)  I'm pretty sure its closer to thirty years or more depending on one's willpower, not ten years as you assert to succumb to the taint

2) Why Fiona hasn't succumb to the taint yet is mentioned in the book the Calling if you remember what happened to her and Duncan.

3) Those that read Asunder and Fiona's role in that book are expecting her appearance.

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 25 septembre 2012 - 09:10 .

[unbentbuzzkill]

well that's true to a point but at least imo it's better then wondering wtf is going on with certain stories it would have been better to kill the warden out right then just to leave hiim/her dangling in the wind

[Jerrybnsn]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Because she's the defacto leader of the mage rebellion.

The leaks suggest that the mage/Templar war doesn't play much of a role in DA3's story though. Just saiyan.

The fact is that she will play some role in DA3 and she'll be a 60 year old warden.

[WhiteKnyght]

BrotherWarth wrote...

OK, so we're probably getting a Grey Warden companion in DA3. Bioware used a Grey Warden(and Cassandra) to show off the new companion armor system of DA3 months back.
And a lot of people want to see their Warden again, but Bioware says we won't be using our Warden as a PC again and that he or she won't be a companion(which is a decision I support). So that leaves us with a cameo. So I got to thinking, why not a personal quest for our Grey Warden companion to help a fellow Warden that turns out to be THE Warden?
Our companion,(who'll we'll call Wardy), Wardy, has recieved word that a friend and fellow Warden must embark on his/her calling and wants to use a specific entrance to the Deep Roads. This entrance is said to lead directly to a breeding center, where possibly thousands of Darkspawn are spat into Thedas every fortnight. This Warden aims to kill as many Broodmothers as is humanly(or elfly or dwarfly) possible. But the entrance is sealed and can only be opened by two senior Wardens. So you must travel to the mountains(or wherever) where the entrance is located, which are filled with Darkspawn, to meet this Warden and open the mystical door for him/her to embark on his/her Calling. After battling through nearly a horde of Darkspawn, you arrive and find a Warden standing in front of the massive, foreboding entrance to hell on Thedas. Wardy says he'll approach the Warden alone. From a short distance you see Wardy and the Warden talking for a short while, them embrace in a short hug before each stands on either side of the door and place their bare hands on blank panels. After a moment a rumble is heard and the door begins to open, slowly. Wardy hands the Warden a pack of supplies and nods before walking back to your group. As Wardy is walking toward you, you catch a glimpse of the Warden's bright, glowing blue eyes. Then the Warden puts the pack over his/her shoulder and walks into the newly-opened chasm, weapon/s in hand.
The massive door shuts behind him with a clap of thunder.

"Wardy, we're not going with him/her? I thought you said s/he was meant to slay thousands of Darkspawn?"
"Aye. His/Her last task."
"What? S/He's throwing his/her life away in that pit?"
"No. S/He's living all of his/her life down in that pit. It's a Warden's duty to fulfill the Calling, the irrisistable pull to the Deep Roads to kill as much evil as is possible before the taint takes us."
"So what if s/he can't kill any Broodmothers?"
"Then it will be an unceremonious end to an extraordinary life."
"What do you mean? Who was he/she?"
"That was the Warden that saved Ferelden. The Warden that slayed an Archdemon and lived."
"The Hero of Ferelden?"
"The Hero of Thedas."


And obviously our Warden would be fully armored/clothed with his/her face covered.

Here's a better idea. How about the Warden be exactly where you left him and the "disappearance" be explained as him/her avoiding the Seekers.

Morriganmancer will appear with Morrigan and the child.

King/Queen Cousland warden will appear in Denerim with his/her spouse.

And all others will correlate to the plans you make during the coronation at the end of DAO.

1. Stayed with the Grey Wardens.(he'd be in Amaranthine)

2. Left with Sten

3. Traveled with Zevran

3. Became Chancellor of Ferelden.

4. Became the new Teyrn of Gwaren

5. Became a Paragon in Orzammar

Coming up with some contrived static storyline is a joke for the Warden. You have the power to choose his/her future plans at the end of DAO, that should be respected.

Obviously staying with Leliana doesn't work out though, unless she's hiding the Warden from the Seekers.

Also for his/her appearance. I say have the game remember our facial selections from Origins, then allow us to edit further to amend importing issues. And give him few lines, but the voice be determined by whichever one we chose for the light comments in the character creator("The Darkspawn have sensed us" "I'm sensing more darkspawn." "We have much to do and little enough time to do it")

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 25 septembre 2012 - 09:14 .

[Fallstar]

Maclimes wrote...

They obviously already have a plan for the Warden and Hawke. The way that Cassandra and Leliana reference Hawke vanishing, "just like the Warden", was likely not a throw-away line. I'm sure they have a story already in mind.

That's exactly what many people are afraid of post SWTOR. You'll probably end up one hitting both Hawke and the Warden in the opening sequences.

[Fiacre]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Here's a better idea. How about the Warden be exactly where you left him and the "disappearance" be explained as him/her avoiding the Seekers.

Morriganmancer will appear with Morrigan and the child.

King/Queen Cousland warden will appear in Denerim with his/her spouse.

And all others will correlate to the plans you make during the coronation at the end of DAO.

1. Stayed with the Grey Wardens.(he'd be in Amaranthine)

2. Left with Sten

3. Traveled with Zevran

3. Became Chancellor of Ferelden.

4. Became the new Teyrn of Gwaren

5. Became a Paragon in Orzammar

Coming up with some contrived static storyline is a joke for the Warden. You have the power to choose his/her future plans at the end of DAO, that should be respected.

Obviously staying with Leliana doesn't work out though, unless she's hiding the Warden from the Seekers.

Also for his/her appearance. I say have the game remember our facial selections from Origins, then allow us to edit further to amend importing issues. And give him few lines, but the voice be determined by whichever one we chose for the light comments in the character creator("The Darkspawn have sensed us" "I'm sensing more darkspawn." "We have much to do and little enough time to do it")

That's vaguely intriguing (though I'm kind of scared what choosing the violent voice would mean for Shea... He's only bloodthrirtsy in battle, I swear! And cuddly like a teddy bear outside of it! Well, som of the time, at least.)

But what role would they play then? Or would we leave it ata a mention and evryone can imagine in what (covert? otherwise it would have to be mentioned...) way their Warden would be involved in the current events? (But what about wardens that wouldn't be covert at all?)

[unbentbuzzkill]

i sense another me3 moment via dragon age 3

[Fallstar]

unbentbuzzkill wrote...

i sense another me3 moment via dragon age 3

ME2 is considered the high point of the series isn't it? I hope DA2 was the DA version of ME3, and that worse isn't in store with DA3.