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[Remmirath]

We don't know how far in the future from Origins and DA II DA III is set yet, but I'm guessing it isn't that far (although, of course, it could be).

Lord Aesir wrote...

I honestly think the only satisfying way for the previous protagonists to appear is to make them playable in brief segments (I've posted my lyrium flashback idea before, but I'll say it again)

So say as part of one of the Inquisitor's missions he/she does retrace Hawke and the Warden's footsteps, while doing so he/she encounters lyrium pool and, upon touching it, lives through the memories of Hawke and/or the Warden. Thus, a playable segment and some justification for xp carrying over back to the Inquisitor. Appearance and leveling the character would still be a headache though.

Yeah, I think you're right, that being playable in brief segments is really the only way it would be satisfying. The lyrium flashback idea is interesting.

Otherwise, I honestly think mostly leaving it to the imagination is the best way to go. And, particularly with all the changes between games, perhaps the best way to go at all at this point - I know that I, at least, don't really want to know how the elven Wardens would end up looking, and the more the underlying combat system and engine and all changes I would assume the more infeasible playable segments would become. Plus, as has already been mentioned, there's the voice thing.

[Heimdall]

BrotherWarth wrote...
And show me where they said Fiona is leading the mages in the war in DA3.

I thought that was stated in Asunder?

[GodWood]

FemaleMageFan wrote..
I would rather bioware takes my warden and does anything they feel with her. At this rate there will be no development with her character and details will remain vague.

I would absolutely hate this.

The Warden's story is over. They don't need any more development.

[thenemesis1]

The Warden was not just some other warden that goes and dies in the deeproads. This Warden had a hell of alot more go on in his/her life that proceeds that. So many things happend to this guy/girl that just not a Warden could do. You all seem to get stuck in this person is just a Warden, that was just a part they played that they overcame and there where many means to do so and has been spoke here. Morrigan and the DR she set on him/her. Going into the Mirror with Morrigan to Maker knows where, The green vile of stuff that was in the old Warden base and the fact that one of the Bioware guys said if we gave the Warden a end then if we wanted to use them again would make it hard.

I really think its right in front of your face, The Warden is not dead and won't be for a long time. I think David said he is their character now, so that means they will do what they want and I hope like hell He/She shows up in DA3 and just shuts us all up and its a jaw dropping kind of thing. All this crap..it's not my voice or thats not my Warden...hell I just want them back in the game...and thats not to say they won't use them again..but from here on out it's going to be voiced PC and yea I don't like it but it's part of it. If I could play the Warden like in DA4 or 5, I would take that voiced acting.

The part where people take WH with Morrigan and the Warden as not part of the overall game..just take this in. Merrill could not find all the parts of the mirror and I think it was David that told us why...the Warden found them first to find Morrigan..the truth of things is out there and you just have to find them.

Then at the end of DA2 people were like where is the Warden..did David say that they could not find him/her because they were not here in this here, physically speaking? It was something like that and that told me just where they were...as to where Hawke is..I have not a clue.

So if the Warden and Morrigan come out of the Mirror and The Warden talks to you...don't spaz out, lol, it will be fun. I love a good story. I bet the Warden kills your character at the end of 3..omg I would LMAO!

Modifié par thenemesis1, 26 septembre 2012 - 02:42 .

[Emzamination]

Wulfram wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

What individual personality? The warden's personality was the player's personality.There was no good/evil meter measuring his/her actions.

Yes, the Warden's personality was supplied by the player.  Which means the game has no way of showing that personality.

So you end up with a cameo of someone who doesn't look, behave or talk like the character.  So why bother?  What satisfaction is watching some genericised figure going to give?

You heard as well as I did that bioware now owns the warden and while they'll try to step as lightly as they can, ultimately the warden and hawke will be used in the new games.

Modifié par Emzamination, 26 septembre 2012 - 02:22 .

[KiwiQuiche]

My Queen and her hubby will be kicking some ass...but I would prefer if we don't see the Warden; maybe references and you could met all the companions they had, but not physically see them, to prevent loads of "THAT IS NOT MY WARDEN" rage. I wouldn't mind meeting Alastair again and him telling me about his wife XD

[RazorrX]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...
And show me where they said Fiona is leading the mages in the war in DA3.

I thought that was stated in Asunder?

She took on a leadership role with the group of mages gathered at the end of Asunder by basically strong arming everyone to fall in line behind her. She got the role by default because she's the most forceful and loud mouthed. But that gathering of mages was not every mage in Thedas, not did it dictate the future of the mage rebellion. Who knows what happens after that gathering? Fiona is abrasive and a bully. People like her can't hold loyalty for long. Especially not when people like Rhys are there to offer level heads and a measure approach.

And if the leaks are to be believed(and there's no reason not to believe them since they gave us the Inquisition title a month before it was announced) the mage/Templar war is just the backdrop of the introduction of the game and not even nearly the focal point of the story.

Actually, she was elected by her peers as the Grand Enchanter, leader of the circles.  She called for the vote to either stay or fight sparking the actual revolution to begin.  

At the end, she is still the Grand Enchanter, and puts the rebellion up to a vote and agrees to abide by whatever outcome there is.  She is the leader of the circles until they vote otherwise.  
Fiona never struck me as a bully, she was fed up with what was going on, charismatic enough to be elected as Grand Enchanter and powerful enough to back what she says.

They have a leader who has been trained to fight wars.  Fiona was a grey warden, trained to fight against great odds of warriors.  The Templars will not be going after a group of mages who do not understand battle tactics.  Now will the mages win?  Who knows.  But they should not be pushovers.

[RazorrX]

BrotherWarth wrote...

RazorrX wrote...

Actually, she was elected by her peers as the Grand Enchanter, leader of the circles.  She called for the vote to either stay or fight sparking the actual revolution to begin.  

At the end, she is still the Grand Enchanter, and puts the rebellion up to a vote and agrees to abide by whatever outcome there is.  She is the leader of the circles until they vote otherwise.  
Fiona never struck me as a bully, she was fed up with what was going on, charismatic enough to be elected as Grand Enchanter and powerful enough to back what she says.

They have a leader who has been trained to fight wars.  Fiona was a grey warden, trained to fight against great odds of warriors.  The Templars will not be going after a group of mages who do not understand battle tactics.  Now will the mages win?  Who knows.  But they should not be pushovers.

It's a rebellion, not a structured army. Anyone from any Circle in Thedas who doesn't want to follow Fiona doesn't have to.
And Fiona never struck you as a bully? She did nothing but bully and browbeat Rhys throughout Asunder. She tried to force him to take extreme actions at every turn and took control of the gathering of mages before she was voted in.

You are confusing Fiona with Adrian.

[RazorrX]

Yeah, I did not like Adrian either.

[Jerrybnsn]

GodWood wrote...

Terrible idea.

Jerrybnsn wrote...
The Warden's Calling needs to be at least a twenty hour expansion of you going into the Deep Roads for your calling. But it's not going to be any calling, because this isn't any grey warden. This is THEE Grey Warden and its going to shake the darkspawn up like it never been shaken before. And you take Ogrhen and Sigurn with you! You and your small party will be your own Blight against the dark spawn! Because killing darkspawn is warden's business, and business is booming!!

Not everyone roleplays their wardens as bad 90s action heroes.

I was actually thinking more of a bad 80s action hero.

But seriously folks,  what would you get out of playing your calling? (And I only espouse this idea with the understanding that my warden will no longer have any impact on the shaping of the world of Thedas as he/she did in Origins.  Maybe, bioware has something different in mind, but until that is known, I'm all in favor with one last big hurrah with the warden in epic style.)

1)  A chance to say goodbye:  Some may say, 'I said goodbye when I did the Ultimate Sacrifice'.  Well, then this doesn't concern you, does it?  Your dead and chose not to continue on as Warden Commander in the expansion or any of the dlc.  That's a conclusion for you.  However, those that chose to live and continue on with their wardens still have a live warden with nothing to do and likely will never be seen or heard from again.  Players have put enough emotional investment with this character to at least have a chance to say goodbye in a more fulfilling enviroment and play out that experience since, after all, the Warden is an extension of themselves. A codex is just not enough.   If you rather not play out the calling and just remember your warden the way they were, then don't buy the game.

2)  To fully understand the sacrifice the Wardens actually make for the rest of Thedas:  "Yeah, yeah...Taint, schmaint!  So what?  Me and Zeveran are happily having adventures in between his taking over the Antivian Crows. That's my head canon! Leave my Warden alone!"--The Joining ritual doesn't make a warden immune to the taint, but gives you the taint while at the same time slows it down.  And the taint will overtake your warden.  We've argued here whether it's ten years that happens or thirty years (it's thirty, by the way), but regardless, it will happen, and unless Bioware has something up their sleeves to fix the taint completely,( which I do believe they will, but not before milking this franchise for all they can get, and not soon enough to save your warden) your warden will become a mindless ghoul.  Zeveran is going to have to kill you before you kill him, because you're going to lose who you are.

And that's how this expansion should be played.  You start out billy-bad-ass as the maxed out warden leveld 28 or 27, wherever you left off.  Then the taint starts to take hold and you start to lose your special abilities, you begin to lose your combat effectiveness, you begin to lose your strength, your willpower, your magic, dexterity...in essence, you'll be playing an rpg backwards as you level down. The game will get harder not because the enemies are leveling up with you (like in DA2) but because you're succumbing to the taint.  If you die before the game is over then the red screen can ask you "End your calling now?", which is in essence would be the same as if you just dropped your weapon and let death come.  Or you can say "no" and push onwards to make the most of your calling as possible....and play to the most dramatic death scene ever realized in video game history.

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 26 septembre 2012 - 10:49 .

[dsl08002]

After WH and the ending of DA2 i got more conviced that the wardens story isn´t over,

in WH i watched morrigan go through the eluvian, then in the act 3 of DA2 the warden return to denerim, then afterwards disappears.

Then Leliana shows up in the end of DA2 and she is my LI. she says that it is no coincidence that both warden and hawke are missing.

That was to me obvious to continue that adventure of the warden.

Just let us choose who to play as, warden, hawke or new character. Best compromise ever

[Heimdall]

BrotherWarth wrote...


And if the leaks are to be believed(and there's no reason not to believe them since they gave us the Inquisition title a month before it was announced) the mage/Templar war is just the backdrop of the introduction of the game and not even nearly the focal point of the story.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the leaks say that the Inquisitor's goal was to find the puppeteer manipulating the War to his/her own ends?  Seems like more than a backdrop to me.

[Heimdall]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Ah crap, you're right. How the hell did I flip them? It wouldn't even make sense for one to be the other in any way.

Ah, that makes more sense.  I don't think I've encountered many characters I dislike more than Adrian.

[Wulfram]

Emzamination wrote...

You heard as well as I did that bioware now owns the warden and while they'll try to step as lightly as they can, ultimately the warden and hawke will be used in the new games.

Using the Warden for something worthwhile that contributes to the plot is one thing, but a fanservice cameo such as is proposed by the OP is another.  There's no point in fanservice if all it will do is annoy the fans.

And just because Bioware takes that position, doesn't mean I like it or agree with it.

[Arokel]

No no no. You all have it wrong. The Warden and The Champion will not reappear for several more games. All future game's protagonist will disappear as well.

In the final DA game we will learn what really happened. Morrigan has been kidnapping them and taking them with her beyond the Eluvian.

There she creates the ultimate Thedas saving team! The... the... I can't come up with a good super team name...