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[Bekkael]

It would be wonderful if we could see the Arishok again, but since I'm sure most killed him, please at least consider using his voice actor again. Nothing in DA2 gave me more shivers than hearing this actor speak.

More Rick Wasserman please!

[Iron Star]

You know Sten from DA:O is the new Arishok right?

[ManOfSteel]

The Kossith are my favourite non-human race in the Dragon Age universe, so I would welcome more of them in the games, as long as there's a good story reason for them to be present.

Get fired up wrote...

You know Sten from DA:O is the new Arishok right?

 

...and he looks awesome.

Modifié par DoomHK, 25 septembre 2012 - 05:12 .

[Lithuasil]

Well, they are still hellbent on enslaving every single sentient being in thedas, so their invasion isn't too unlikely.
I could do without though, I prefer morally ambiguous adversaries over pure-evil (And that's what the Qunari are, period)

[Punahedan]

Lithuasil wrote...

Well, they are still hellbent on enslaving every single sentient being in thedas, so their invasion isn't too unlikely.
I could do without though, I prefer morally ambiguous adversaries over pure-evil (And that's what the Qunari are, period)

You're saying the qunari are pure evil? 

....Are you a Chantry priest? Are you Sister Petrice? Are you keeping the hatred of qunari alive in every sermon? 

I love qunari. I think they offer an intersting alternative to the Chantry-dominated lifestyle. I don't necessarily agree with everything they do, but we only know their more militant aspects. I'd like to see more of their artisans, farmers, craftsmen, and, most importantly, the Tamassran.

[marshalleck]

Dragon Age has become pretty terrible, but the qunari are one of its few remaining shining lights, so if this series is to have any recovery the qun and the kossith will necessarily be at the core of it. And hopefully our protagonist won't be ham-fistedly forced into antagonizing them again, which is largely what made DA2 so bad.

From the moment my Hawke stepped off the boat in Kirkwall, he saw nothing but a haven of criminality, corruption, injustice, and a class of decadent aristocrats utterly out of touch with reality, leading to an abject systemic failure of leadership from the crown on the viscount's head, all the way down to the lowliest slum. By all rights he felt no particular loyalty or allegiance to Kirkwall's quagmire status quo and wanted to join in the purge and cleanse that awful blight of a city with fire and steel along with his qunari brothers. 

But no, I had to chose one of three idiotic spiels that made no sense and then challenge the Arishok to a duel, which made even less. ****ing whatever.

Modifié par marshalleck, 25 septembre 2012 - 05:32 .

[Bekkael]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Sten and the Arishok are two of my favourite characters, so I support more qunari.

Just no qunari LIs. I don't see that working at all.

No Qunari LIs are needed. I want more of their culture, and more deep-voiced actors.

[Lithuasil]

Hawkeyed Cai Li wrote...

You're saying the qunari are pure evil? 

The entire purpose of their civilization is to rapidly expand and enslave every single sentient soul on the planet, and to murder (or brainwash) anyone who opposes.
Even Sauron of all evil overlords just wanted to rule middle-earth, as opposed to dictating every single thing in the life of every single individual. So yeah, the qunari are pure evil, and it eludes me how anyone can squint their eyes hard enough to believe otherwise.

[Bekkael]

Get fired up wrote...

You know Sten from DA:O is the new Arishok right?

Is this true, because I have not heard any such thing. Source?

[Iron Star]

Bekkael wrote...

Get fired up wrote...

You know Sten from DA:O is the new Arishok right?

Is this true, because I have not heard any such thing. Source?

It's from the new DA comic, Those who speak (direct follow-up to the silent grove). http://dragonage.wik...Those_Who_Speak

Also, DoomHK linked a pic featuring Sten as the new Arishok. He has a goatee now, and I approve.

But where the hell is Asala?

Modifié par Get fired up, 25 septembre 2012 - 05:33 .

[Bekkael]

Get fired up wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

Get fired up wrote...

You know Sten from DA:O is the new Arishok right?

Is this true, because I have not heard any such thing. Source?

It's from the new DA comic, Those who speak (direct follow-up to the silent grove). http://dragonage.wik...Those_Who_Speak

Also, DoomHK linked a pic featuring Sten as the new Arishok. He has a goatee now, and I approve.

But where the hell is Asala?

That is bloody awesome! I love Sten. Thank you for the link.

[Wulfram]

I'm only really interested in seeing them if they get round to actually invading rather than posturing about it.

And I found it annoying how much the game seemed intent on telling me they were awesome, and not giving me adequate opportunity to disagree with them or oppose them without being a crazy zealot.

[Punahedan]

Lithuasil wrote...

Hawkeyed Cai Li wrote...

You're saying the qunari are pure evil? 

The entire purpose of their civilization is to rapidly expand and enslave every single sentient soul on the planet, and to murder (or brainwash) anyone who opposes.
Even Sauron of all evil overlords just wanted to rule middle-earth, as opposed to dictating every single thing in the life of every single individual. So yeah, the qunari are pure evil, and it eludes me how anyone can squint their eyes hard enough to believe otherwise.

They believe that everything can work harmoniously and that everyone can do something to contribute. Why is that so wrong? Those who refuse to do what they would be best suited to do are doing others and themselves a disservice.

[nightcobra]

Hawkeyed Cai Li wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

Hawkeyed Cai Li wrote...

You're saying the qunari are pure evil? 

The entire purpose of their civilization is to rapidly expand and enslave every single sentient soul on the planet, and to murder (or brainwash) anyone who opposes.
Even Sauron of all evil overlords just wanted to rule middle-earth, as opposed to dictating every single thing in the life of every single individual. So yeah, the qunari are pure evil, and it eludes me how anyone can squint their eyes hard enough to believe otherwise.

They believe that everything can work harmoniously and that everyone can do something to contribute. Why is that so wrong? Those who refuse to do what they would be best suited to do are doing others and themselves a disservice.

they have their good points though their bad points are also pretty bad, like viewing other civilizations out of the Qun as inferior and viewing individuals who won't submit to the Qun as diseased, kidnapping them to their temples for "healing" them into the Qun, if the subject resists this "healing" they use a substance that destroys the subject's mind and leaves them as souless laborers.

both the chantry and the Qun could learn a lot from each other.

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 25 septembre 2012 - 06:52 .

[Nethalf]

More assassinating of the Qun followers, please. I definitely hate dat ****ty religion.

[Wulfram]

Hawkeyed Cai Li wrote...

They believe that everything can work harmoniously and that everyone can do something to contribute. Why is that so wrong? Those who refuse to do what they would be best suited to do are doing others and themselves a disservice.

Because that "harmony" is achieved by the enslavement or murder of anyone who has different desires or opinions

[marshalleck]

nightcobra8928 wrote...


they have their good points though their bad points are also pretty bad, like viewing other civilizations out of the Qun as inferior 

How is that bad?  It's entirely possible to objectively judge one culture or civilization as inferior to another based on some metric. 

The kossith have gunpowder and cannons on their dreadnoughts. Do any nations of Thedas match their scientific advancement? No. Ergo, all other nations of Thedas that we are aware of are technologically inferior to the Qunari.

Unfortunately we do not have a good glimpse into real, every day qunari culture as their people experience it, but from sources we have available it does seem like the overall standard of living is better for all than it is in any other land. Minimal crime, no poverty, every able-bodied person contributes to the whole and receives back in kind, and the infirm are cared for. So yeah, seems to me many nations of Thedas are inferior. 

Yes, mages are disproportionately repressed in their society. But mages represent a disproportionate threat to the safety and well-being of others in their immediate surrounding. Normal people can't fling fireballs with a mere thought, or become twisted demon abominations, so their activities aren't curtailed as such.

Modifié par marshalleck, 25 septembre 2012 - 07:03 .

[Bekkael]

Nethalf wrote...

More assassinating of the Qun followers, please. I definitely hate dat ****ty religion.

How about a Tal Vashoth companion? A freed and angry Saarebas even?

Sten was one of my DA:O favs after Alistair and Zevran.

[Lithuasil]

Hawkeyed Cai Li wrote...

They believe that everything can work harmoniously and that everyone can do something to contribute. Why is that so wrong? Those who refuse to do what they would be best suited to do are doing others and themselves a disservice.

They think if everybody just stopped being an individual, and did precisely as their delusional priest-caste told them, everything would be fluffy bunnies. Not only is that logic incredibly stupid (In the sense that "If everyone was happy to do what we told them to do, everybody would be happy to do what we told them to do" is a complete non-statement), it also defies everything that is human or humane. 
And running the risk of evoking a certain law about internet discussions - you know what real world idology followed the "anyone who whe deem "opposed to our ideology" needs to be killed" line of thought?

Mind you -  the qunari are slightly more interesting then the darkspawn, by virtue of theoretically being capable of reason (which arguably makes them more evil). But they're pure-black, no matter how you look at it.

[Nethalf]

Bekkael wrote...
How about a Tal Vashoth companion? A freed and angry Saarebas even?

Acceptable 

Maybe he'll kill many qunaries and have some brutal kossith-style sex with Morrigan as Sten described.

[Punahedan]

marshalleck wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...


they have their good points though their bad points are also pretty bad, like viewing other civilizations out of the Qun as inferior 

How is that bad?  It's entirely possible to objectively judge one culture or civilization as inferior to another based on some metric. 

The kossith have gunpowder and cannons on their dreadnoughts. Do any nations of Thedas match their scientific advancement? No. Ergo, all other nations of Thedas that we are aware of are technologically inferior to the Qunari.

Unfortunately we do not have a good glimpse into real, every day qunari culture as their people experience it, but from sources we have available it does seem like the overall standard of living is better for all than it is in any other land. Minimal crime, no poverty, every able-bodied person contributes to the whole and receives back in kind, and the infirm are cared for. So yeah, seems to me many nations of Thedas are inferior.

Agreed, for the most part.

We're thinking of it as a suppression of the mystical, fantabulous individual self. But how many farmers in Ferelden get to be princesses? How many poor elves in the alienage get to be shopkeepers? Get to be priests? None. And worse yet, most of these people don't have steady food sources. They may not have a place to live.

WHat we see as "following your dreams" (which isn't all that common except in special instances), they see as trying to be what you don't have the skill for. It's not that you will be FORCED into doing something... it's that you have the skill, mentality, and chance for one particular thing in the galaxy and that if you do something else, you will not be a complete person. You won't be spiritually fulfilled. You won't be the best you can be. You know who said that? Plato. Confucius. Buddha. In this ideal, the community provides for you and you provide for the community.

They don't assign it arbitrarily; they have familial records. We've seen their militant arm... and they're still not as nasty as some Chantry-lovin' folk.

Modifié par Hawkeyed Cai Li, 25 septembre 2012 - 08:07 .

[Lithuasil]

Hawkeyed Cai Li wrote...
It's not that you will be FORCED into doing something... 

No. That's PRECISELY what the qun is. I suppose that'd make for a very healthy tangent in DA3 though - Allow the PC to submit to the qun, whereupon they're tasked with cleaning the floors in the toilets, because some priest stood up with the wrong foot that morning. And the moment the player ceases to play an incredbly boring "swipe the floors" minigame, they get a game over screen, where they get to watch as their character is brainwashed into a mindless labor-drone.
Atleast that'd put things in perspective.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

I'm in favor of more qunari, but only for killing.

[marshalleck]

Well said Hawkeyed. Can't help but notice so many of the arguments against the principles of the Qun are essentially rooted in selfish egotism--as are so many of the ills plaguing the civilizations that indulge the same. Everything wrong with Kirkwall is a prime example.