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[Heimdall]

LolaLei wrote...

He's a Warden in mine, so it still happened... but slightly differently.

I think the only way it could conclusively not have happened would be if both Alistair and Loghain were dead.

[LolaLei]

Lord Aesir wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

He's a Warden in mine, so it still happened... but slightly differently.

I think the only way it could conclusively not have happened would be if both Alistair and Loghain were dead.

Yeah, that would throw in a few problems... unless there really is a third Theirin kid, in which case maybe he done it. *Shrugs* who knows.

[Heimdall]

LolaLei wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

He's a Warden in mine, so it still happened... but slightly differently.

I think the only way it could conclusively not have happened would be if both Alistair and Loghain were dead.

Yeah, that would throw in a few problems... unless there really is a third Theirin kid, in which case maybe he done it. *Shrugs* who knows.

I have a theory on that front, sort of a shot in the dark.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 29 mai 2013 - 04:44 .

[LolaLei]

Lord Aesir wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

He's a Warden in mine, so it still happened... but slightly differently.

I think the only way it could conclusively not have happened would be if both Alistair and Loghain were dead.

Yeah, that would throw in a few problems... unless there really is a third Theirin kid, in which case maybe he done it. *Shrugs* who knows.

I have a theory on that front, sort of a shot in the dark.

So long as I don't have to be King/Queen! 

[Harlequin2]

I liked it. I suppose it wasn't realistic to have him survive. I'm glad they didn't cop out and have a revived Maric sit on the throne, like the Udina-replaces-Anderson-whatever-happens. This was a nice distraction whilst we wait for E3.

[Lady Niltiak]

Mae mentions rumors about a Dalish and a Magister exiled in the Anderfels, able to "graft spirit onto flesh and restore life." This could be interesting if it is shown in DA:I.

Here's a question. Where is Sten/Arishok? They went to the fade and he just vanished. POOF. Never mentioned again.

[Mr.House]

I'm happy that Maric died tbh. It's good to find out what happen to him, but as long as he is alive, he is the rightful king of Ferelden which would have made the choice in DAO completely pointless like the Udina/Anderson thing, so I'm happy Maric got a heroic death instead of surviving and making a choice useless.

[Face of Evil]

I always figured Maric was dead/was going to die because his survival would "complicate the narrative."

Modifié par Face of Evil, 29 mai 2013 - 09:06 .

[Sister Goldring]

I enjoyed the whole series and it was really nice to see Varric, Isabella and Alistair again. I think Mae would make a great companion character sometime (hint hint Bioware)

I felt like I wanted a bit more from the Alistair and Maric reunion. Am I greedy or just really cheesy? There were some questions that I wanted Alistair to ask. Maybe they were all answered off the page in the dream but I wanted to see some fallout from the whole abandonment thing. I know that they were fighting the big bad and so it wasn't really the time for a family fight but I still I wanted something more.

I should go back and read it again and see if there's something there that I didn't pick up on the first time.

[Corker]

The MacGuffin is named the Magrallen? o.O

[Dave of Canada]

My thoughts on all three comic "series": I'm disappointed but not as much as I thought I'd be.

There wasn't much point in making the Theirins into dragon warriors, Maric's "death" at sea was--least in my opinion--superior as it fit the idea that historical figures don't always die glorious deaths, the antagonist was pretty black to the character's white and Alistair still seems like a bad choice of king.

I enjoyed was their depiction of the Fade being similar to The Calling, the fact that not all of Tevinter is "Rawr evil" and more Varric.

Art varied from great to passable.

6.5/10, above average overall. Decent read for fans but passable otherwise.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 30 mai 2013 - 02:20 .

[Chiramu]

Lucky for Alistair he doesn't get to remember his dad as he was in the Fade but how he turned out in the real world. Not exactly the nicest way to remember your late father, will Alistair have any nightmares with that skeletal face talking to him? It would have almost been nicer to let him stay in the Fade :<.

[Reznore57]

Firky wrote...

Very sad.

I thought it was a good "use" of the Fade, conceptually. I always think, like from Origins - and also DA2, that the most compelling thing about the Fade is, why would you ever try to challenge it?

I find the idea of laying down your burdens so easily very seductive. It's like a kind of heaven. (And also, not, obviously. But still ...)

PS. I also thought it was good that Varric was telling it  - because it lent it some distance.

I also have this "heaven/after life " feelings about the Fade ...
But I really disagree that as a concept , it is well done.
In the game , books , comics , it's a very poor dream world.And it's not just the writing , i think it fails on a visual level.
I'm a big fan of comics like Sandman ,I like symbolism etc ...so the fade from DA is really a let down.
My favorite scene from the fade is still Cole from Asunder because it was so tragic , on an emotion level it really worked ...
But I don't want every character to be this traumatized to make their dreamspace interesting.

The idea of "living" the mirage is interesting though , and I thought that was the most interesting idea  with this issue.Leaving the dream behind just to die .
Way "funnier" than Alistair solving his daddy issue .And Marric passing the very obvious  torch.

Well , I'm rambling ...
Anyway as i mentioned before I enjoyed the comics , and I think it's a nice way to expand the DA universe.
It could be cool to have short stories for character that may not play a bigger role in the future ...don't know like Zevran , Shale .

[Firky]

I'm not sure if I think the Fade is always well done in DA. I thought it was done well in this comic. Alistair had some conflict, etc.

I don't like the visuals either, for the most part. But, I did really like the "where did I leave my glasses?" thing in DA2. (I know some people hated that.)

But I thought it was also presented well in Origins, where you were challenged to lay down your burdens, like the blight. (And, yeah, I thought that bit with Cole was really evocative.)

(But I don't know why, the Fade always tricks me so easily.)

[Newschmoo]

[quote]Sister Goldring wrote...

I enjoyed the whole series and it was really nice to see Varric, Isabella and Alistair again. I think Mae would make a great companion character sometime (hint hint Bioware)[quote]

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I liked Mae and I think she would make an interesting companion too.

I liked the comic series if only because you got to see a bit more about Varric and Isabela's background. I kind of thought that Maric would die. But I was a bit disappointed that he said that Alistair's mother had died, which implies that his mother was the same as Goldanna's (I hoped it was Fiona).

Modifié par Newschmoo, 30 mai 2013 - 07:01 .

[WhiteKnyght]

If Alistair and Loghain are dead, Yavana or maybe even Flemeth probably rescues Maric. They needed his blood anyway.

Also as for the remark about Alistair's mother, it's possible Maric just doesn't know that Fiona is still alive(he has spent the last fifteen years of his life as a blood farm for Titus) and is just assuming she's dead. Or maybe Titus lied to him and said she was to break his spirit.

Or! Maybe Maric knows Fiona is still alive and is just lying to Alistair. Fiona made Maric promise to tell their child that his mother was human and dead, and that promise doesn't expire just because Alistair is a king.

It seems kind of a d*ck move to write Maric as having another child who has the same circumstances and background as Alistair(being told that his mother was human and dead, being raised outside of the court, unacknowledged, and having Duncan promise to look out for him) who isn't Alistair.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 30 mai 2013 - 02:27 .

[leighzard]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Or! Maybe Maric knows Fiona is still alive and is just lying to Alistair. Fiona made Maric promise to tell their child that his mother was human and dead, and that promise doesn't expire just because Alistair is a king.

It seems kind of a d*ck move to write Maric as having another child who has the same circumstances and background as Alistair(being told that his mother was human and dead, being raised outside of the court, unacknowledged, and having Duncan promise to look out for him) who isn't Alistair.

Huh... I'm willing to buy that.  I've always liked Fiona for Alistair's mom.  The World of Thedas timeline makes it impossible, though.  I get that the timeline doesn't necessarily map exactly to the books, but another one of Maric's sons running around in Thedas would make it possible for them to continue this blood of dragons thing if they want to use it in game.  It seems like it ties to Flemeth.

And I agree that Mae could make an interesting companion.

[nightscrawl]

Sister Goldring wrote...

I enjoyed the whole series and it was really nice to see Varric, Isabella and Alistair again. I think Mae would make a great companion character sometime (hint hint Bioware)

It certainly was nice to have a mage who wasn't bat-crap-crazy, from Tevinter no less, and had an interesting background to boot! And hey, any friend of Varric's is a friend of mine.

[WhiteKnyght]

leborum wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Or! Maybe Maric knows Fiona is still alive and is just lying to Alistair. Fiona made Maric promise to tell their child that his mother was human and dead, and that promise doesn't expire just because Alistair is a king.

It seems kind of a d*ck move to write Maric as having another child who has the same circumstances and background as Alistair(being told that his mother was human and dead, being raised outside of the court, unacknowledged, and having Duncan promise to look out for him) who isn't Alistair.

Huh... I'm willing to buy that.  I've always liked Fiona for Alistair's mom.  The World of Thedas timeline makes it impossible, though.  I get that the timeline doesn't necessarily map exactly to the books, but another one of Maric's sons running around in Thedas would make it possible for them to continue this blood of dragons thing if they want to use it in game.  It seems like it ties to Flemeth.

And I agree that Mae could make an interesting companion.

David Gaider replied to a tweet of mine and said Maric's line can be interpreted in a lot of different ways. And that it depends on how up to date on current events we believe Maric to be.

[Heimdall]

The Grey Nayr wrote...


David Gaider replied to a tweet of mine and said Maric's line can be interpreted in a lot of different ways. And that it depends on how up to date on current events we believe Maric to be.

I definitely think that the child at the end of The Calling was originally intended to be Alistair, but I find t difficult to believe that they would be so consistent about the timeline issue and Alistair's birth date.  Gaider also mentioned that some things in the comics foreshadowed things in Inquisition and he only the only real issue I could see carrying over is the Theirin dragon blood.  With Maric and potentially Alistair dead, a third child seems pretty darn likely as a major character.

Which statement of Maric's was referring to though?

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 30 mai 2013 - 04:19 .

[WhiteKnyght]

Lord Aesir wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...


David Gaider replied to a tweet of mine and said Maric's line can be interpreted in a lot of different ways. And that it depends on how up to date on current events we believe Maric to be.

I definitely think that the child at the end of The Calling was originally intended to be Alistair, but I find t difficult to believe that they would be so consistent about the timeline issue and Alistair's birth date.  Gaider also mentioned that some things in the comics foreshadowed things in Inquisition and he only the only real issue I could see carrying over is the Theirin dragon blood.  With Maric and potentially Alistair dead, a third child seems pretty darn likely as a major character.

Which statement of Maric's was referring to though?

When Maric elected to stay in the Fade dream, his reason was that everyone from his life, Loghain, Cailan, Alistair's mother, etc, were all gone/dead.

But Fiona is confirmed to be alive as of Asunder, which happened a couple of years before TSG/TWS/UWS.

It implies that either Fiona isn't Alistair's mother, or Maric is misinformed about her status.


I don't see how there's any clashings with Alistair's birth date. Gaider said the dating in novels was errored, and Origins would place the events of the Calling around 20 years before the Blight.

I can believe Alistair being 20 years old during Origins, he looks young and still looks like he's pretty young during Dragon Age II.

[iawebb20]

A person does not have to be dead to be seen in the fade.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Even if Maric didn't have more kids, Cailan dallied with enough women that he might have.

[Fredward]

Lady Niltiak wrote...
Mae mentions rumors about a Dalish and a Magister exiled in the Anderfels, able to "graft spirit onto flesh and restore life." This could be interesting if it is shown in DA:I.

I thought that kinda sounded like a spirit healer. Which would also mean that spirit healers are really rare if the only one Mae can think of is sitting in the Anderfels.

I think the only important thing to take away here is that dragon blood = important. I think we'll be seeing more of Alistair. Or maybe dragons. Or maybe the Inquisitor has dragon blood. CALLED IT.

Face of Evil wrote...
I always figured Maric was dead/was going to die because his survival would "complicate the narrative."

+1 for reference.

[Heimdall]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

I don't see how there's any clashings with Alistair's birth date. Gaider said the dating in novels was errored, and Origins would place the events of the Calling around 20 years before the Blight.

I can believe Alistair being 20 years old during Origins, he looks young and still looks like he's pretty young during Dragon Age II.

this is all why I think Alistair was originally intended to be Maric and Fiona's child, but the timeline in The World of Thedas plainly places his birth in 9:10, making him 20 at the time of Origina, while the events of The Calling are placed at 9:15.  Gaider said he messed up, but they've been fairly consistent with it.