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[Heimdall]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

I think the only important thing to take away here is that dragon blood = important. I think we'll be seeing more of Alistair. Or maybe dragons. Or maybe the Inquisitor has dragon blood. CALLED IT.

Beat you to it

[Estelindis]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Face of Evil wrote...
I always figured Maric was dead/was going to die because his survival would "complicate the narrative."

+1 for reference.

I thought this was likely too, but I really hoped it wouldn't happen, both because it's kinda clichéd and because Maric and Alistair just deserved better.  I think that the way it was implemented was actually pretty good.  We had a nice hope spot there before the real ending.  I think that Maric agreeing to try (whether or not he really knew how little chance that had of working out) was far better than some lame "but you must sacrifice me to succeed!" situation. 

I feel sad.  It was good, but I still have hurty feelings in my heart.  A bit like the ending of DA:O, to be honest, which is a compliment.

Modifié par Estelindis, 31 mai 2013 - 11:11 .

[Renmiri1]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

I think the only important thing to take away here is that dragon blood = important. I think we'll be seeing more of Alistair. Or maybe dragons. Or maybe the Inquisitor has dragon blood. CALLED IT.

Beat you to it

Dovahkiin!!

Seems we are going to be "dragonborn" on DA as well :wizard:

[Renmiri1]

Estelindis wrote...

I feel sad.  It was good, but I still have hurty feelings in my heart.  A bit like the ending of DA:O, to be honest, which is a compliment.

On The Calling one of the party members choses to stay in the fade rather than facing his lover's death. I guess Maric wanted the same, but agreed with Alistair that he should try reality.. If only for a moment.

BTW, DG feeds on our tears 

http://dgaider.tumbl...ommandershepard

Modifié par Renmiri1, 31 mai 2013 - 08:01 .

[Renmiri1]

Lady Niltiak wrote...

Mae mentions rumors about a Dalish and a Magister exiled in the Anderfels, able to "graft spirit onto flesh and restore life." This could be interesting if it is shown in DA:I.

Here's a question. Where is Sten/Arishok? They went to the fade and he just vanished. POOF. Never mentioned again.

He had agreed to deliver then at the beach and gave them a small number of soldiers to create a distraction, but he never left the ship and went on his merry way...

[WhiteKnyght]

Gaider obviously likes bittersweet endings. Alistair got to meet his father and spend some time with him, but in order to keep him meant Maric having to live a half-life as an invalid, so he took mercy on him.

But I have to wonder how this will impact Dragon Age III. Aurelian Titus' plan was pretty drastic, using Maric's blood to power a weapon that would allow him to control all of Thedas through their dreams.

If Alistair or Loghain aren't alive or in the right circumstances to stop Titus, it'd make a decent side quest in DA3 to bring the bastard down.

[InfinitePaths]

I actually think that Maric was evil and that he was the one who dreamt about power and having the golden city for himself.But that's just me and my crazy ideas.I for one loved the visuals,especially in the 2nd one,the fade looked and felt great.This was the first time it was done perfect IMO,ever changing,telling you what you want to be told.

I'm still so confused about the old dreamers-old gods-old tevinter magister,mage,dragon blood,dream-golden city-fade thing.I was just mindf---ed by it.Who were the old dreamers before Tevinter?How do the old gods and dragon blood tie up to it?Magic and reallity and the fade?How were the mages of Tevinter so close to bring the golden city alive?I'm not confused about the mind control thing,I'm more confused now about the concept of magic,fade,dreamers,old gods and the dwarfs and magic,god,so much confusion about this.And was that tevinter dream actually the golden/black city?How could the old tevinters be close to bringing a city from the fade in to reallity?Why did it turned black if so?Is the fade actually a manifastation of magic,is it actually in our head.What do the dragon blood have to do with anything?

[Heimdall]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Gaider obviously likes bittersweet endings. Alistair got to meet his father and spend some time with him, but in order to keep him meant Maric having to live a half-life as an invalid, so he took mercy on him.

But I have to wonder how this will impact Dragon Age III. Aurelian Titus' plan was pretty drastic, using Maric's blood to power a weapon that would allow him to control all of Thedas through their dreams.

If Alistair or Loghain aren't alive or in the right circumstances to stop Titus, it'd make a decent side quest in DA3 to bring the bastard down.

Seems a bit too big to be a side quest.  More likely the Qunari or something would have destroyed him otherwise.

[Jonata]

Guys I'm sorry if I'm too much off topic but I'd really like to read the Dragon Age comics, however they are not available in Italy in printed form (or at least there are no editions that I am aware of), so I'd like to ask you where I can find The Silent Grove and Those Who Speak in digital form (legally, obviously).

Are they on ComiXology or something? I still have no account there but I can make one if it is necessary.

Modifié par Jonata, 31 mai 2013 - 11:00 .

[Sister Goldring]

They're available at darkhorse comics.

http://www.darkhorse...arch/dragon age

Click on buy now and you'll get a digital option.

[WhiteKnyght]

Lord Aesir wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

I don't see how there's any clashings with Alistair's birth date. Gaider said the dating in novels was errored, and Origins would place the events of the Calling around 20 years before the Blight.

I can believe Alistair being 20 years old during Origins, he looks young and still looks like he's pretty young during Dragon Age II.

this is all why I think Alistair was originally intended to be Maric and Fiona's child, but the timeline in The World of Thedas plainly places his birth in 9:10, making him 20 at the time of Origina, while the events of The Calling are placed at 9:15.  Gaider said he messed up, but they've been fairly consistent with it.

The Calling took place around 9:15 as stated in the book, and later clarified by Gaider as an error.

Origins(which takes place at 9:30 Dragon) says that Maric allowed the Grey Wardens to return to Ferelden 20 years ago. Meaning the date is really 9:10 Dragon, not 15.

Which places Alistair's birthdate at the same time as Fiona's child.

[Bleachrude]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...


David Gaider replied to a tweet of mine and said Maric's line can be interpreted in a lot of different ways. And that it depends on how up to date on current events we believe Maric to be.

I definitely think that the child at the end of The Calling was originally intended to be Alistair, but I find t difficult to believe that they would be so consistent about the timeline issue and Alistair's birth date.  Gaider also mentioned that some things in the comics foreshadowed things in Inquisition and he only the only real issue I could see carrying over is the Theirin dragon blood.  With Maric and potentially Alistair dead, a third child seems pretty darn likely as a major character.

Which statement of Maric's was referring to though?

When Maric elected to stay in the Fade dream, his reason was that everyone from his life, Loghain, Cailan, Alistair's mother, etc, were all gone/dead.

That's not exactly true though...Maric's ACTUAL words were,

"The people I love are all here - Cailan, your mother, Loghain......None of them are in the real world any longer, are they?"

Implying that maric doesn't actually know...remember, at this point in time, Maric is simply dreaming and in his dreams, everyone he loved is with him and he is challenging alistair about this as to why the real world would be any better

[WhiteKnyght]

Another thing, Aurelian Titus shouldn't be dead. As he was killed in the Fade.

Remember what Keeper Marethari said: A death in the fade will render a mage tranquil, not deceased.

And as of Asunder, Tranquility is curable. Meaning Titus could very well come back later.

[WhiteKnyght]

Bleachrude wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...


David Gaider replied to a tweet of mine and said Maric's line can be interpreted in a lot of different ways. And that it depends on how up to date on current events we believe Maric to be.

I definitely think that the child at the end of The Calling was originally intended to be Alistair, but I find t difficult to believe that they would be so consistent about the timeline issue and Alistair's birth date.  Gaider also mentioned that some things in the comics foreshadowed things in Inquisition and he only the only real issue I could see carrying over is the Theirin dragon blood.  With Maric and potentially Alistair dead, a third child seems pretty darn likely as a major character.

Which statement of Maric's was referring to though?

When Maric elected to stay in the Fade dream, his reason was that everyone from his life, Loghain, Cailan, Alistair's mother, etc, were all gone/dead.

That's not exactly true though...Maric's ACTUAL words were,

"The people I love are all here - Cailan, your mother, Loghain......None of them are in the real world any longer, are they?"

Implying that maric doesn't actually know...remember, at this point in time, Maric is simply dreaming and in his dreams, everyone he loved is with him and he is challenging alistair about this as to why the real world would be any better

Technically, Maric has been Titus' prisoner for the last 15 years, five years before the Blight even happened. So how should Maric know that Cailan, Fiona, and Loghain are not in the real world(meaning dead). I doubt Titus kept him up-to-date on recent events. And considering the fact that he still refers to Loghain as someone he cares about means he likely doesn't know what he did at Ostagar and during the Blight. I don't think Maric meant for Loghain to so easily leave his own son to die when he made Loghain promise. That promise was that he wouldn't put Maric's life over saving Ferelden/the resistence.

Also wanting to stay in the Fade is uncharacteristic of Maric, considering he elected not to stay in the Fade with Katriel in The Calling. He knows the difference between an illusion and the real thing.

Also another fun fact: Flemeth warned Maric that a Blight would happen after his death. But he was still alive during Origins thanks to Titus. Meaning there could be another on the way, as the Fifth Blight only happened by mistake on The Architect's part, so the Darkspawn could have been close to uncovering another Old God by conventional means.

Maybe that's what'll happen in DA3. Another Blight arises while the known world is at war with itself and the player has to get everyone to stop killing each other and fight the Darkspawn. Probably sounds like a rehash of Origins' plot -- stopping a civil war and solving everyones' problems, but there are arguably a lot of different ways Bioware can spin it to keep originality. And one of the slides in Awakening did mention rumors of a new Blight rising in the Anderfels. And Flemeth's message to Maric was, IIRC, that a Blight would come to Ferelden after his death, not begin in Ferelden.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 01 juin 2013 - 05:24 .

[Fredward]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Another thing, Aurelian Titus shouldn't be dead. As he was killed in the Fade.

Remember what Keeper Marethari said: A death in the fade will render a mage tranquil, not deceased.

And as of Asunder, Tranquility is curable. Meaning Titus could very well come back later.

Maaaan I hope not. His hairline makes me cry.

[themageguy]

Lady Niltiak wrote...

Mae mentions rumors about a Dalish and a Magister exiled in the Anderfels, able to "graft spirit onto flesh and restore life." This could be interesting if it is shown in DA:I.

Here's a question. Where is Sten/Arishok? They went to the fade and he just vanished. POOF. Never mentioned again.

Yeah I found this interesting too.
Also, in regards to the Dalish. In the world of thedas book, it mentions that Dalish use spells that affect the environment around them (sound Druidic) and distrust spirits....yet zathrian binds a spirit to a wolf, Velanna summons sylvans? And we know about Merrill and her demon...
Though I'm thinking they're oddities rather than the norm. I imagine most keepers treat spirits the way marethari does in Merrill's short story.

[Heimdall]

The Grey Nayr wrote...
The Calling took place around 9:15 as stated in the book, and later clarified by Gaider as an error.

Origins(which takes place at 9:30 Dragon) says that Maric allowed the Grey Wardens to return to Ferelden 20 years ago. Meaning the date is really 9:10 Dragon, not 15.

Which places Alistair's birthdate at the same time as Fiona's child.

I would agree, had they not remained consistent with this so called error I the official timeline.  I take new releases as more important as they represent the most recent plans for the franchise.  Not to mention, the timeline also says that Maric allowed the Wardens back in Ferelden before the Calling, presumably they just failed to act on it immediately.  So there is no contradiction there of I'm remembering correctly.

EDIT:

The Timeline says:
9:10 - Alistair is born
9:10 - Maric Welcomes the Grey Wardens back to Ferelden
9:14 - The Architec tries to infect the purpose

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 01 juin 2013 - 10:33 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Remember what Keeper Marethari said: A death in the fade will render a mage tranquil, not deceased.

Which is fine for her to say, right up until Hawke kills both Anders and Merrill in the Fade and neither of them suffer for it.

That said, I don't think it always happens as Marethari says.

[Cirram55]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Remember what Keeper Marethari said: A death in the fade will render a mage tranquil, not deceased.

Which is fine for her to say, right up until Hawke kills both Anders and Merrill in the Fade and neither of them suffer for it.

That said, I don't think it always happens as Marethari says.

I thought Merrill didn't become tranquil because that was Feynriel's dream, not hers. And Anders cannot be defeated in the fade IIRC.
Alistair probably killed tranquil!Titus before finding Varric.

Anyway, I'm kinda bummed they didn't explain why the Magrallen does not regenerate and where the heck did Aristen go.

And I'm calling it now, the "exiled magister" is Dorian Pavus from the survey: the inquisitor's party needs a healer after all.

[thinfeniel]

maybe the Magrallen depended on Maric's blood to regenerate?
When Varric shot the Magrallen, Maric was unhurt and still attached to it, meaning the Magrallen could still drain power from him.
When Alistair smashed the Magrallen however, Maric disintegrated, there was hardly anything left of him.

[WhiteKnyght]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Remember what Keeper Marethari said: A death in the fade will render a mage tranquil, not deceased.

Which is fine for her to say, right up until Hawke kills both Anders and Merrill in the Fade and neither of them suffer for it.

That said, I don't think it always happens as Marethari says.

Hawke defeated Anders and Merrill and they vanished, he didn't impale or decapitate them.

Hawke impales Feynriel with the murder knife.

Maric beheaded Aurelian Titus.

[WhiteKnyght]

Lord Aesir wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

The Calling took place around 9:15 as stated in the book, and later clarified by Gaider as an error.

Origins(which takes place at 9:30 Dragon) says that Maric allowed the Grey Wardens to return to Ferelden 20 years ago. Meaning the date is really 9:10 Dragon, not 15.

Which places Alistair's birthdate at the same time as Fiona's child.

I would agree, had they not remained consistent with this so called error I the official timeline.  I take new releases as more important as they represent the most recent plans for the franchise.  Not to mention, the timeline also says that Maric allowed the Wardens back in Ferelden before the Calling, presumably they just failed to act on it immediately.  So there is no contradiction there of I'm remembering correctly.

It's been years since The Stolen Throne and The Calling were printed and they never bothered to release a second print with any corrections. Whoever put together The World of Thedas probably didn't know about the errors.

Also perhaps you need to re-read the novel.

In The Calling, the Grey Wardens had to have permission to enter Ferelden and speak to Maric to get a guide to Ortan Thaig because Arland's edict banning the Wardens had not yet been lifted. Genevive even mentioned to Maric that they didn't need to go see him to go to Orzammar and go to the Deep Roads because he doesn't own the tunnels under Ferelden.

Maric didn't lift the edict until after they stopped the Architect, because he'd befriended and came to trust the Grey Wardens.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 01 juin 2013 - 05:53 .

[Heimdall]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

In The Calling, the Grey Wardens had to have permission to enter Ferelden and speak to Maric to get a guide to Ortan Thaig because Arland's edict banning the Wardens had not yet been lifted. Genevive even mentioned to Maric that they didn't need to go see him to go to Orzammar and go to the Deep Roads because he doesn't own the tunnels under Ferelden.

Maric didn't lift the edict until after they stopped the Architect, because he'd befriended and came to trust the Grey Wardens.

I would have to reread t to check your facts, but the timeline is clear

9:10 - Maric lifts the ban on the Grey Wardens (Because of Flemeth's warning I believe)

9:14 - Architect attempts the infect the surface

Bioware's own writers and editors put together The World of Thedas.  Presumably they were drawing from the official in house timeline.  If that doesn't put Alistair's birth at the same time as The Calling, I'm inclined to believe it.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Remember what Keeper Marethari said: A death in the fade will render a mage tranquil, not deceased.

Which is fine for her to say, right up until Hawke kills both Anders and Merrill in the Fade and neither of them suffer for it.

That said, I don't think it always happens as Marethari says.

Hawke defeated Anders and Merrill and they vanished, he didn't impale or decapitate them.

Hawke impales Feynriel with the murder knife.

Maric beheaded Aurelian Titus.

My point is that the Fade* will be convenient for whatever the writers need from the plot.

*Edit: And the Real World too, for that matter. *significant look at Oghren and Leliana*

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 02 juin 2013 - 01:24 .

[SynGMW]

With the date of Alistair's birth being before the Calling, it reminds me of a brief moment in the Calling: On the way to Orzammar, Maric has the party stop and stay behind for a moment while he goes into a small house. When he returns, he says nothing about what he was doing. I have always wondered if that was Maric secretly visiting little Alistair.

Nice to know that I'm not the only one that pondered what it meant for Maric to say all the people he loved were in the Fade.