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[Daveros]

BuckshotSamurai wrote...

Ya'll are blind. The Grenade buffs (while welcomed) are just a cover up of the joke of a buff on the Eagle. We get 14 (that's FOURTEEN) more damage per bullet at Level X. Come on man, that isn't even going to be noticed.

It's a 15% buff. It's not overly huge, but I think it may be enough to make some difference. Plus, extended barrel, amps, gears, powers, etc, will be based off the new figure.

Therefore, EB+Buff is not a 40% damage increase on the unmodded weapon from last week, it's actually ~43%, and so on and so forth.

So, I mean, it's not a horrific figure, especially coupled with the encumbrance decrease.

Modifié par Daveros, 25 septembre 2012 - 10:47 .

[Daynan]

MattLeft99 wrote...

Carnifex: Latin term meaning "executioner."

Carnifax: a machine that transmits meat over large distances using telephone lines.

YES!

[GroverA125]

Good work Eric and Co. Nice set of changes this week.

Good to see some of the pistols now weigh less, it was amusing having a pistol that weighed more than some shotguns. Also the increase to the Strikers ammo may warrant some use, and most importantly, that Eagle buff has put it in a nice cozy spot. Cheers for all the work.

[BabyfaceAssassin]

Horrible work Eric.
Nerfing the Carnifex & P. Shotgun only kill the game even more.

Oh well.

[solidprice]

Pirahna nerf is sad but its power was given to buff the others.
Back to the Talon .
good job keep the buffs coming.

[uzivatel]

Hard to believe the Piranha design makes even less sense than it did originally.
Carnifex is now pointless.
Disciple still sucks.

[BioticArm]

oh well... pirahna less bullets

[Dbohr]

solidprice wrote...

Pirahna nerf is sad but its power was given to buff the others.

That is a good way of looking at it... 

[rymajn3]

BabyfaceAssassin wrote...

Horrible work Eric.
Nerfing the Carnifex & P. Shotgun only kill the game even more.

Oh well.

Because using the Carnifex and Piranha over and over and over and over and over again doesn't get boring at all.

[Xeraphas]

Siran wrote...
The encumbrance, meaning weight of the Carnifex was increased from a starting encumbrance of 1.0 on level 1 to a starting encumbrance of 1.2. Same with level X - encumbrance before was 0.5, now it is 0.7 - each bracket is the encumbrance-range (for level 1 - X) before and after the change.

Well I did figure, it meant from level 1 at one end to level 10 at the other, but the order and way it was stated can be confusing.  As I mistook it, you can read the 1.0 - 0.5 as dropping from 1 at the lowest level to 0.5 or it it can be read as , 1.0 at level 1 - 0.5 at level 10.

[Original Twigman]

This patch was awesome. Don't mind the nerfs on pirahna and carnifax. they are fair. srs

[DSxCallOfBooty-]

[quote]Eric Fagnan wrote...

Battlefield 3 soldier kit now available as a new Rare card
[/quote]

BF3 Soldier isn't all that great, but it's great that all players have access to it.

[quote]
Typhoon Assault Rifle
- Recoil no longer gets worse as the weapon levels up.
[/quote]

Weapon is still likely a bit underpowered, especially for the weight.  The nerf for this weapon hit HARD, and I'd suggest that the "ramp-up multiplier" be increased slightly.

[quote]
Striker Assault Rifle
- Max spare ammo increased from [48-60] to [60-72]
[/quote]

Like the Typhoon, I doubt this is going to really make the Striker a great weapon.  This patch alongside a recoil reduction or large damage increase would make it usable.

[quote]
Eagle Pistol
- Damage increased from [74.9-93.7] to [86.1-107.7]
- Encumbrance decreased from [0.6-0.25] to [0.45-0.25]
[/quote]

This weapon should be plenty useful now.  Or not.  The damage buff is pretty high, though.

[quote]
Paladin Pistol
- Encumbrance decreased from [1.25-0.7] to [1.0-0.7]
[/quote]

This weapon was already phenomenal (apparently, I don't happen to have one), especially at higher levels.  Now it should be great right out of the box.

[quote]
Talon Pistol
- Encumbrance decreased from [1.1-0.6] to [0.9-0.6]
[/quote]

Not sure why this weapon got a buff, but it isn't unreasonable or anything.  Even more reason to use it!

[quote]
Carnifex Pistol
- Encumbrance increased from [1.0-0.5] to [1.2-0.7] 
[/quote]

Not sure why this was done.  Paladin > Carnifex now, rather than the two being on relatively even ground.  There's no denying that the Carnifex is (was?) a good weapon, but that was mainly due to it's low weight.  Without that, the only reasons to pick this over the Paladin are: Carnifex is a significantly higher level, and if you want a big clip.  The higher level argument shouldn't really be considered for weapon balance in most cases, and the big clip is irrelevant, IMO.

[quote]
Piranha Shotgun
- Clip size decreased from 8 to 6
[/quote]

Apparently the weapon model indicates that the clip size should be 8, but whatever.  This nerf should put the Piranha in line with the rest of the weapons in the game.  Well, sort of.  It isn't "the best" any more, I imagine.

[quote]
Frag Grenade Power
- Base damage increased from 750 to 900
- Evolution 4 bleed duration reduced from 10 to 5 seconds. The total damage applied remains the same.
[/quote]

Yay damage increase!  For the changes to the Rank 4 Bleed Evo, it's a mixed bag.  On one hand, you're doing damage quicker, which is nice.  On the flip side, you can't use Frags any more for delaying shield recharge, which was a pretty handy application of the evo at times.

[quote]
Lift Grenade Power
- Base damage increased from 750 to 900
- Evolution 3 increase to max grenades increased from 1 to 2
[/quote]

Lift Grenades will never be truly great until they fix the bugs associated with them, but these balance changes certainly help.

[quote]
Sticky Grenade Power
- Base damage increased from 900 to 1100
- Evolution 3 increase to max grenades increased from 1 to 2
[/quote]

The increase to max grenades should be helpful, certainly.  Still not an excellent power though, I imagine.

[quote]
Cluster Grenade Power
- Evolution 3 increase to max grenades increased from 1 to 2
[/quote]

The best gets better.  Not sure why these were buffed, aside from keeping them in line with the other grenade types.  At any rate, not a huge problem that these were buffed.

[quote]
Inferno Grenade Power
- Base damage increased from 125 to 150 per second
- Evolution 6 impact radius bonus increased from 40% to 50%
[/quote]

I've forgotten whether or not the Rank 5 Evo gave you +1 or +2 grenades, but I'm going to assume it was +2, otherwise it would be rather silly for the grenade capacity increases given to many other grenade types this week, not to have been given to the Infernos.  Back OT, no complaints with these changes, except for that Inferno Grenades are still likely not as strong as many of the other choices.

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Overall, pretty good job with the balance changes this week.  Not too many complaints, except for what was done to the Carnifex, which I believe should have retained it's weight.  A clip size decrease to 5 would've been better alongside a lesser weight nerf, maybe.

EDIT:  Fixed a typo.

Modifié par DSxCallOfBooty-, 25 septembre 2012 - 11:41 .

[WolfWyrm]

I really think this was a nice update all around. And adding the BF3 Soldier as a rare card is just a very nice bonus to those who don't already have him (like me!).

Even the nerfs weren't anything to complain about in my opinion. Having this being discussed with the community beforehand was pretty great to see as well.

And adding a lighter starting wieght to both the talon and the paladin helped make the carnifex weight increase that much easier to swallow. That honestly was a good tactic.

[Atheosis]

I'm sorry, but adding the BF3 soldier to the rare pool is a terrible idea. It's ugly as sin, and really adds nothing to the class pool. Just more junk rares to sort through...

Oh and the Inferno Grenade buff makes zero sense.  Inferno Grenade was already arguably the best grenade power in the game.

Modifié par Atheosis, 25 septembre 2012 - 11:48 .

[Zjarcal]

Xeraphas wrote...

The Piranha was not overwhelming after the last nerf, now it is almost not worth using. 

Lol... just... lol... are you... I'm sorry, are you actually attemtping to be serious? If so, let me laugh even harder.

Piranha is still one of the top guns in the game, period.

Atheosis wrote...

I'm sorry, but adding the BF3 soldier to the rare pool is a terrible idea. It's ugly as sin, and really adds nothing to the class pool. Just more junk rares to sort through...

 

It's only one gold card though since it doesn't have any colors to unlock, so it's a case of get it once and forget about it.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 25 septembre 2012 - 11:47 .

[B.Shep]

Just tested, now my Eagle III is a nice weapon to use with my Human Adept.

Also the stick grenades in my Quarian Female Infiltrator now do more than 2500 damage, i can kill a brute/ravager in a gold match using only two grenades.

Modifié par B.Shep, 25 septembre 2012 - 11:58 .

[ErrorTagUnknown]

really from the SP description the paladin is supposed to be a light, hard hitting, concealable pistol.... for cops to use in a pinch. So it makes sense kinda to make it lighter than the carnifex. harder hit, easier to carry -- but less ammo because it's not designed for long heavy engagements.

[LDStaredown]

To Glacier it is!

[jacob taylor416]

Good buffs,okay (understandable) nerfs. Guess it was a little early for an Argus buff though, oh-well hopefully next weak

[ozthegweat]

Isn't the grenade capacity increase Evolution 2 and not 3?

Modifié par ozthegweat, 26 septembre 2012 - 12:07 .

[trunglefever]

Totally loving the lighter weight Talon. I think this week's changes were fine. While the Carnifex weight increase is a bit of a bummer, it's not going to take away from being a really good gun for power heavy classes. However, since I have a Talon II, that will probably be my go-to gun for any power-use class now.

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

So the definately not overpowered carnifex was nerfed and definately overpowered grenades were buffed.  A rather puzzling day.

Yeah, making the carnifex weigh more than the talon will definately make less people use the carnifex.

Lots of gun buffs for shooty classes. No non-grenade power buffs for casters.    I think now ME 3 is purely about shooty classes and grenade chunkers. Casters might as well stay on the shuttle or go clean the toilets.

Modifié par Grumpy Old Wizard, 26 septembre 2012 - 12:17 .

[PaperAlien]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...
Casters might as well stay on the shuttle or go clean the toilets.

Singularity to clean toilets....

[The Makr]

Good job overall. I would throw out that perhaps we should nerf the piranha's reload time and keep the 8 shells since that matches the model in game. The effect would be the same, but it would match more with what it would really be like to reload a 8 shot magazine for a shotgun. It should take about 3X longer to reload, but leave it at 8 shells.