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[Salaya]

hhh89 wrote...

Salaya wrote...

A beatiful essay.

I didn't like DA2 elves, but the screenshots of DAO elves with the mod that imported the DA2 elves facial features in DAO (posted in the second or third page of this thread) are great, in my opinion. I wouldn't have much problem with those elves.

I don't like them... they still have that horrible nose there. That nose freaks me out.  I simply don't like that they look like some kind of alien race. 

I prefer the idea of humans with pointy ears. 

[anillee]

I didn't like the look of DA2 elves because they looked so weak and frail.

I remember being repulsed by Fenris, who was all hunched over and appeared to shudder every time he drew a deep breath, and this guy was supposed to be a romance option. Who wants to romance some brooding leper who looks like his iron lung is failing him?

That and the fact that he walked around bare-foot (I have this thing about feet, I don't like them.) made him one of my more despised characters in that game.

[The Elder King]

Salaya wrote...

I don't like them... they still have that horrible nose there. That nose freaks me out.  I simply don't like that they look like some kind of alien race. 

I prefer the idea of humans with pointy ears. 

Fair enough. I don't have problems with elves being similar to humans. As long as they aren't horrible as in DA2 (and think that in that mode they're vastly better than in DA2) I'll be fine.

[Sol Downer]

sylvanaerie wrote...

I like how TMP's mod alters the elves just a bit, giving them larger ears/eyes and angling their nose, but still keeping them close to how they looked in DAO as well.  For example, the first pic is my original Surana face, made with Toolset.  Second is the same face altered with TMP's mod, and hairstyle difference.  I didn't touch the facial structure at all.

Original


With TMP's mod


and a side view with TMP's mod


I think a mix of the two would look very nice, I really love this look for her.  Distinct enough to be different and exotic without being completely alien looking.

And I'm probably in a small minority but I thought Marethari was improved by DA2's rendition of her.  To me, she was one of the most beautiful NPCs in the game, reminded me somewhat of Savah of the Sun Folk, unlike the haggard looking elf she was in Origins.  I liked the dichotomy of that frail form housing incredible power.

Reposted because this is what Bioware's DA Team is looking for. A literal mix between DA: O and DA2 elves.

[Arppis]

Imp of the Perverse wrote...

Sort of like Borderlands? I do like the way those games look, I also liked most of DA2 for that matter (that particular elf's face was a real low point, most of it was a lot better.) Looking at some of the DA3 concept art though, particularly this picture:



it reminded me of the atmoshere DAO had, which was pretty distinct. I'd rather see an improved version of DAO's more realistic approach. Borderlands' look fits that game, it's sort of tongue in cheek and intentionally bizarre, but Dragon Age seems to take itself a bit more seriously, so realism fits it better.

Yeah. Bit like Borderlands.

[rwilli80]

I'd have to say the Origins design, with a blend of elements from 2. But for the love of God get rid of the giraffe neck!

[Han Yolo]

I like how they look distinct from humans in DA2. Maybe make them slightly less creepy than most of them where, more like Merril and Fenris and Marethari.

[Poison_Berrie]

Arppis wrote...

Unique looks bring some believiability to the game. Humans with long ears is just boring design choice, REALLY. It doesn't work (for me, but people can dissagree like you are here). And see, you did like Fenris and Merrill, so Codex was right. They still look appealing.

Most elves in DA2 look like humans with some sort of genetic deformity disorder (big ass nose, disproportiante heads, weak and frail looking bodies).
They are slightly less obviously human than the DAO variants (in a way that makes me think they are ill). How is that at all more believable than smaller, thinner, pointy eared humans?

What you want is "our vampires elves are different", which just means you could have them not be elves and go buck wild with how they look.

Modifié par Poison_Berrie, 05 novembre 2012 - 03:20 .

[Nerevar-as]

Arppis wrote...

Unique looks bring some believiability to the game. Humans with long ears is just boring design choice, REALLY. It doesn't work (for me, but people can dissagree like you are here). And see, you did like Fenris and Merrill, so Codex was right. They still look appealing.

So there you go.

Merrill and Fenris worked because they cheated. Their ears´ angle didn´t remind me of a donkey, and there was an angle between forehead and nose. Suspiciously enough the 2 elven LI didn´t follow the redesign.

And I always thought tolkienan (or whatever we call them to differenciate from the classical folklore version) elven looked like idealized humans because that´s exactly what they are. As they are, they hurt parts of the game where we have to believe the average human would find them attractive.

[Potato Cat]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Unique looks bring some believiability to the game. Humans with long ears is just boring design choice, REALLY. It doesn't work (for me, but people can dissagree like you are here). And see, you did like Fenris and Merrill, so Codex was right. They still look appealing.

So there you go.

Merrill and Fenris worked because they cheated. Their ears´ angle didn´t remind me of a donkey, and there was an angle between forehead and nose. Suspiciously enough the 2 elven LI didn´t follow the redesign.

And I always thought tolkienan (or whatever we call them to differenciate from the classical folklore version) elven looked like idealized humans because that´s exactly what they are. As they are, they hurt parts of the game where we have to believe the average human would find them attractive.

They didn't cheat with Athrenil, even if her eyes were fairly small, and she looked pretty good. It can work, they just need to make more of an effort if they're going with the DA2 design. And get rid of some of the hairstyles that showed all the forehead. Those were awful.

But honestly, I still want the idealised humans, you're right in that what's they're suppposed to be.

[Atakuma]

Elfman wrote...
But honestly, I still want the idealised humans, you're right in that what's they're suppposed to be.

No it isn't.

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

GodWood wrote...

I don't know why people always say Athrenil was attractive. Her head was freakishly disproportionate to the rest of her body.

She's one of the better-looking new elves who's not a companion. She looks better than:



or



or *shudder* THIS


:sick::sick::sick::sick::sick::sick:

Almost two years after the game's release and I still haven't warmed up to Dragon Age II's rodent-elf hybrids...

Modifié par The Teryn of Whatever, 05 novembre 2012 - 04:14 .

[Potato Cat]

I think the top two could look better with slightly bigger eyes and the second one with a different hairstyle. Orana definitely needs to be less gaunt, but that was kind of okay when you first meet her, helps give the impression of abuse or malnourishment. Later her cheeks should have filled out.

[Cutlasskiwi]

Han Shot First wrote...

I don't think there is anything subjective about describing this lore breaking monstrosity as unattractive:






If I were to repost that image on any other forum and ask people to rate its appearance, I'm positive the most common replies would be "WOULD NOT BANG" and "KILL IT WITH FIRE." 

On a more serious note, the DA2 Elf designs were simply awful. By the way, there is no reason to take a difference of opinion on the appearance of fictional characters in a game as a personal affront.

What about the elves in DAO that I found unattractive? Does that make the DAO design "lore breaking" too?

[Sol Downer]

Do you people have to always choose the ugly elves from DA2 to show your point? That's not an accurate representation of the race as a whole, it's just an accurate representation of a couple of ugly elves. Elves may be pleasing to look at, but there are some ugly ones. Just like humans are pleasing to look at, but there are some ugly ones. So cut it out with the "they should look like..." for once.

[Huntress]

Ultimashade wrote...

Do you people have to always choose the ugly elves from DA2 to show your point? That's not an accurate representation of the race as a whole, it's just an accurate representation of a couple of ugly elves. Elves may be pleasing to look at, but there are some ugly ones. Just like humans are pleasing to look at, but there are some ugly ones. So cut it out with the "they should look like..." for once.

And right here people has shown the "good" looking elves from DAO and DA2 games, I supose you miss them.

The point is that in Da2 every single elf is ugly to look at and very skinny like they have some type of deformities and  every single darkspawn in da2 is a Human undead from world of warcraft.

Like it or not is the truth. Oh and I support Dao elves or short humans with knife ears 100%.

Modifié par Huntress, 05 novembre 2012 - 05:37 .

[Atakuma]

Huntress wrote...

Ultimashade wrote...

Do you people have to always choose the ugly elves from DA2 to show your point? That's not an accurate representation of the race as a whole, it's just an accurate representation of a couple of ugly elves. Elves may be pleasing to look at, but there are some ugly ones. Just like humans are pleasing to look at, but there are some ugly ones. So cut it out with the "they should look like..." for once.

And right here people has shown the "good" looking elves from DAO and DA2 games, I supose you miss them.

The point is that in Da2 every single elf is ugly to look at and very skinny like they have some type of deformities and  every single darkspawn in da2 is an undead from world of warcraft.

Like it or not is the truth. Oh and I support Dao elves or short humans with knife ears 100%.

No it isn't.

[Nerevar-as]

Ultimashade wrote...

Do you people have to always choose the ugly elves from DA2 to show your point? That's not an accurate representation of the race as a whole, it's just an accurate representation of a couple of ugly elves. Elves may be pleasing to look at, but there are some ugly ones. Just like humans are pleasing to look at, but there are some ugly ones. So cut it out with the "they should look like..." for once.

Because the ones nice looking at can be counted with the fingers of one hand, and not all of them.

[Sol Downer]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Ultimashade wrote...

Do you people have to always choose the ugly elves from DA2 to show your point? That's not an accurate representation of the race as a whole, it's just an accurate representation of a couple of ugly elves. Elves may be pleasing to look at, but there are some ugly ones. Just like humans are pleasing to look at, but there are some ugly ones. So cut it out with the "they should look like..." for once.

Because the ones nice looking at can be counted with the fingers of one hand, and not all of them.

That doesn't matter, the point is there ARE elves that look good and everybody is just ignoring them.

[Palipride47]

Aleya wrote...

My favorite look for elves is actually created by tmp7704's Elf Update mod. It takes the elven bone structure from DA2 and more or less imports it to DA:O.

For me that's proof positive that it's the DA2 engine that makes characters look ugly, because with tmp's mod the elves in DA:O look absolutely gorgeous. This doesn't just apply to elves. It's nearly impossible to create a good-looking Hawke, too. So just give me a new engine that makes DA2 elves look good =)

Second so much.

I have tmp's mod (also the "skinnier frame") and my dual wielding city elf looked gorgeous, slight build, and the same face-ish (so no "human with pointy ears" which I hated) but not the more....homely ones (Merrill and Fenris were fine. Orana was not)

There were pretty elves in DA2, just not a lot. But there weren't very many attractive humans either, with faces that would normally melt in the sun with no bone structure of any sort (like FemHawke and her many variations of pudding face - vanilla, caramel, or chocolate)



Frame is still petite and thin (which I actually like a lot)



(Face is still alien, and non-human, but in a good way)

Modifié par Palipride47, 05 novembre 2012 - 07:15 .

[Heimdall]

Palipride47 wrote..

Second so much.

I have tmp's mod (also the "skinnier frame") and my dual wielding city elf looked gorgeous, slight build, and the same face-ish (so no "human with pointy ears" which I hated) but not the more....homely ones (Merrill and Fenris were fine. Orana was not)

There were pretty elves in DA2, just not a lot. But there weren't very many attractive humans either, with faces that would normally melt in the sun with no bone structure of any sort (like FemHawke and her many variations of pudding face - vanilla, caramel, or chocolate)

(Snip)

See, these pictures really make me we wish I had Origins on a PC.  I greatly approve of the meshing of the two styles.

Strangely, the thing that bothered me most about DA2 elves was their lack of shoulders, it looked as if their arms had been bolted to the sides of their torso.  I've never seen anyone else complain about it though.

[Asdrubael Vect]

 I think they should be more like this....i mean they faces....ears....noses....and I also think they need to be taller...

http://mythicmktg.fi...Elf_trailer.jpg
http://pub.goha.ru/n...r/scr/wh334.jpq

PS. Sorry for my bad English, it's because I'm from Russia and I'm quite difficult to write correctly on it ... but I perfectly understand what you write)))

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 05 novembre 2012 - 07:49 .

[Mercedes-Benz]

Like they did in Dragon Age: Origins, actually, I would prefer it if the entire game was done in the same way as Dragon Age: Origins.

Modifié par Mercedes-Benz, 05 novembre 2012 - 07:59 .

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

Elfman wrote...

I think the top two could look better with slightly bigger eyes and the second one with a different hairstyle. Orana definitely needs to be less gaunt, but that was kind of okay when you first meet her, helps give the impression of abuse or malnourishment. Later her cheeks should have filled out.

The hairstyle reminds me of Butt-Head's hair



but my main objection is and has always been that the majority of Dragon Age II elves look like rodents and its largely due to the large ears and the direction they point in and the shape of their noses. They're just fugly unless they're named Merrill, Fenris, Tallis, and to some extent, Athenril.

Making Orana look less like a Grand Moff Tarkin's twin sister would only have been a good thing. I'd also like to add that she should have had a less smooth complexion; a more wrinkled, weather-beaten face would have worked better too.

Modifié par The Teryn of Whatever, 05 novembre 2012 - 08:43 .