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[Reorte]

[quote]Xilizhra wrote...

[quote]Jamie9 wrote...

[quote]For me, these people mostly just want a hero's ending. I understand it.
But I respect that Bioware didn't do it in favor of something else.[/quote]
The work put into actually making the game deserves respect. The ending conception itself deserves none at all.
[/quote]
Oh dear, missed the part where the "hero's ending" thing got dragged up again. It's been explained a million times before that not having the possibility of it is completely out of kilter with the tone of the rest of the series, so quite honestly anyone who isn't a bit annoyed that it's not a possibility is a bit weird IMO (in the same way as I'll be rather surprised and feel fobbed off if The Witcher ends with one). There's also the fact that the biggest problems are arguably a complete lack of sense and effort in the writing of the ending. A good up-beat victory for Shepard would mean a lot of people would overlook that.

[Jamie9]

Xilizhra wrote...
When the ending completely obviates everything decent about much of the rest of the series, I believe it's valid, yes.

I'm a "glass half-full" kind of person. I absolutely love 99% of Mass Effect, so that's what I'll focus on.

The ending didn't destroy all my good memories of the series.

[Jamie9]

Reorte wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Jamie9Wild Hog70 wrote...

For me, these people mostly just want a hero's ending. I understand it.
But I respect that Bioware didn't do it in favor of something else.

The work put into actually making the game deserves respect. The ending conception itself deserves none at all.

Oh dear, missed the part where the "hero's ending" thing got dragged up again. It's been explained a million times before that not having the possibility of it is completely out of kilter with the tone of the rest of the series, so quite honestly anyone who isn't a bit annoyed that it's not a possibility is a bit weird IMO (in the same way as I'll be rather surprised and feel fobbed off if The Witcher ends with one). There's also the fact that the biggest problems are arguably a complete lack of sense and effort in the writing of the ending. A good up-beat victory for Shepard would mean a lot of people would overlook that.

Umm... I didn't say that. Someone messed up the quotes.

Modifié par Jamie9, 25 septembre 2012 - 11:56 .

[megamacka]

If people think that those whom are disappointed with the way ME3 ended want a '' hero ending '' then they are wrong. It's the ending in its entirety and the fact that it's just.... stupid. Seriously, I've been over this too many times before and I cba writing it all for the 100th time.

But the ending wasn't the only thing. I felt like ME3 was a HUGE step back when it comes to ME as a RPG game. There was so few '' city missions '' ala ilium, omega and the citadel in ME1 and 2 for example I can name A LOT of them that really added to the atmosphere and made me feel like I was in a galaxy that was alive. The fact that ME3 had 80% less dialogue choices, Bioware can wave their hands and yell '' herp derp we wrote this and this much '' all they want but it sure as heck didn't feel that way. Priority: Earth felt rushed and didn't feel like an epic struggle at all.

The mission were either '' survive on this multiplayer level untill Evac arrives '' or meet your old squad member for a few minutes ( if they survived, which was pretty cool. But hardly impressive ). And the main missions..... Go from point A to B with small dialogue cutscenes with hardly any dialogue choices at all, and tbh ME1 and 2 were much more open to exploration. The only parts of ME3 that I thought was fantastic was Tuchanka, the dreadnought and Rannoch.

ME3 was hardly a ''horrible game'' but it was NOWHERE close to ME1 and 2 imo and the ME universe and the characters deserved a better game. I felt like I was playing an action game with randomly stereotype characters added that didn't add anything to the story but made things worse. And seriously.... Diana Allers.... Are you for real?

  I can't really say if I liked or didn't like the beginning of the game, but I was mainly like '' What the heck? I thought that they just cut out dialoge choices in the demo o.O ''. Then I restarted the game to make sure that I wasn't playing the demo... 

Edit: Also, SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many choices didn't matter at all in ME3. You choose to save the council in ME1? Dun matter.... Andersson as council member? Dun matter.... Saved the rachni queen? Lolz we replaced her with a reaper one dun worry...

Modifié par megamacka, 26 septembre 2012 - 12:04 .

[D24O]

Jamie9 wrote...
Umm... I didn't say that. Someone messed up the quotes.

But that's my job....

[Jamie9]

Jamie9 wrote...

D24O wrote...
Umm... I didn't say that. Someone messed up the quotes.

But that's my job....

[Xilizhra]

Jamie9 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
When the ending completely obviates everything decent about much of the rest of the series, I believe it's valid, yes.

I'm a "glass half-full" kind of person. I absolutely love 99% of Mass Effect, so that's what I'll focus on.

The ending didn't destroy all my good memories of the series.

I manage this by completely ignoring the ending and not actually playing the game until the end. ME3 is decent enough if one does that. However, the endings are still complete crap and do pretty much ruin the rest of the series if one actually acknowledges them.

[D24O]

Jamie9 wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

D24O wrote...
I support Dinosaur DLC.

But that's my job....

We can both do it!

All better.

[Gogzilla]

Asks question for people who like the endings,

People who don't like the endings respond anyway on why they don't like the endings :/

[Xilizhra]

Gogzilla wrote...

Asks question for people who like the endings,

People who don't like the endings respond anyway on why they don't like the endings :/

Well, yes. It's an easy thing to do if you seem to not understand why people don't like the endings, or if some people in this thread don't. You can like the endings without casting aspersions on those who don't, you know.

[megamacka]

Gogzilla wrote...

Asks question for people who like the endings,

People who don't like the endings respond anyway on why they don't like the endings :/

Lol, everytime I see someone talk about the endings I just can't help myself .
It awakens a ton of feelings for many of us whom have spent so much time and passion into these games.

[Jamie9]

D24O wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

D24O wrote...
I support Dinosaur DLC.

But that's my job....

We can both do it!

All better.

The truth has been muddled so many times, I don't know what to believe!

*green wave passes through Jamie9*

I. Support. Dinosaur. DLC.

[Reorte]

Gogzilla wrote...

Asks question for people who like the endings,

People who don't like the endings respond anyway on why they don't like the endings :/

If you're going to bring up the negativity expect responses from those people. To ignore them is to ignore the reasons for what's being discussed and that's closed-minded.

[Reorte]

Jamie9 wrote...
Umm... I didn't say that. Someone messed up the quotes.

Apologies if it was me. When snipping quotes I sometimes lose track.

[D24O]

Jamie9 wrote...

The truth has been muddled so many times, I don't know what to believe!

*green wave passes through Jamie9*

I. Support. Dinosaur. DLC.

SO BE IT 

[Sundance31us]

Gogzilla wrote...
So what do the rest of you feel about the continuing negativity ?

I consider it unproductive.

Do you think its a sign that Bioware may be better off giving us a more tradational Hero's Journey, or should the rest of us (Clearly the minortiy on these forums atleast) Be more vocal or supportive of Bioware  in the face of all this negativity.

I hope not and each member must decide that on their own.

[Nelatherion]

People on the internet vocalize their hatred/negativity louder and more frequently than if they like something.

But to answer the question yes, I do get fed up of threads titled "Ending sucks!" and "Please re-redo the ending one last time", or ones that just plain old insults Bioware/EA/Anyone who disagrees.

Not to mention how any thread that has got nothing to do with the ending at all get spammed to hell with "the ending suckzors!!!!1!!11!1!oneone" and "My opinion is the right opinion and for not liking the ending you are scum! even though this thread was just a thank you thread and had nothing to do with the ending" over and over again until it gets shut down (like this will). Hell, it seems that even liking the game (regardless of your thoughts on the ending) is enough for you to get your respective behind chewed up and spit out by someone.

tl;dr. Yes.

[megamacka]

If I could visit the developers....

 Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and should be able to express it without falling victim to hostilities.
But I think that it would be pretty difficult to argue against the fact that the majority of people were in fact at least disappointed with the way the series ended. And that says a lot. But instead of screaming and yelling all over the place, explain why you didn't approve with the ending.

  An opinion without '' why '' is completely uninteresting.

Unless you are a panda..... Then by all means, turn to hostilities 

Modifié par megamacka, 26 septembre 2012 - 12:17 .

[frostajulie]

Poeple play games to win.

We were forced to lose.

We reacted.


Get used to it.

We're not going anywhere

[XqctaX]

megamacka wrote...

If people think that those whom are disappointed with the way ME3 ended want a '' hero ending '' then they are wrong. It's the ending in its entirety and the fact that it's just.... stupid. Seriously, I've been over this too many times before and I cba writing it all for the 100th time.

But the ending wasn't the only thing. I felt like ME3 was a HUGE step back when it comes to ME as a RPG game. There was so few '' city missions '' ala ilium, omega and the citadel in ME1 and 2 for example I can name A LOT of them that really added to the atmosphere and made me feel like I was in a galaxy that was alive. The fact that ME3 had 80% less dialogue choices, Bioware can wave their hands and yell '' herp derp we wrote this and this much '' all they want but it sure as heck didn't feel that way. Priority: Earth felt rushed and didn't feel like an epic struggle at all.

The mission were either '' survive on this multiplayer level untill Evac arrives '' or meet your old squad member for a few minutes ( if they survived, which was pretty cool. But hardly impressive ). And the main missions..... Go from point A to B with small dialogue cutscenes with hardly any dialogue choices at all, and tbh ME1 and 2 were much more open to exploration. The only parts of ME3 that I thought was fantastic was Tuchanka, the dreadnought and Rannoch.

ME3 was hardly a ''horrible game'' but it was NOWHERE close to ME1 and 2 imo and the ME universe and the characters deserved a better game. I felt like I was playing an action game with randomly stereotype characters added that didn't add anything to the story but made things worse. And seriously.... Diana Allers.... Are you for real?

  I can't really say if I liked or didn't like the beginning of the game, but I was mainly like '' What the heck? I thought that they just cut out dialoge choices in the demo o.O ''. Then I restarted the game to make sure that I wasn't playing the demo... 

Edit: Also, SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many choices didn't matter at all in ME3. You choose to save the council in ME1? Dun matter.... Andersson as council member? Dun matter.... Saved the rachni queen? Lolz we replaced her with a reaper one dun worry...

i feel like you took the words out of my mouth so im just shamlessly going to qoute you

[Kel Riever]

Oh, yeah, THE NEGATIVITY, is the problem.
I love how the fans are to blame for atrocious endings.
TAKE IT! TAKE IT IN YOUR FACE AND STOP BEING NEGATIVE!

  

Dont know if its negative but I sure am laughing at the insinuation!:innocent:

[fil009]

Please help me understand how the Catalyst makes sense?

[WildHog70]

[quote]Reorte wrote...

[quote]Xilizhra wrote...

[quote]Jamie9 wrote...

[quote]For me, these people mostly just want a hero's ending. I understand it.
But I respect that Bioware didn't do it in favor of something else.[/quote]
The work put into actually making the game deserves respect. The ending conception itself deserves none at all.
[/quote]
Oh dear, missed the part where the "hero's ending" thing got dragged up again. It's been explained a million times before that not having the possibility of it is completely out of kilter with the tone of the rest of the series, so quite honestly anyone who isn't a bit annoyed that it's not a possibility is a bit weird IMO (in the same way as I'll be rather surprised and feel fobbed off if The Witcher ends with one). There's also the fact that the biggest problems are arguably a complete lack of sense and effort in the writing of the ending. A good up-beat victory for Shepard would mean a lot of people would overlook that.

[/quote]

Not sure what happened, but I said that. I was specifically talking about Bioware doing something besides the "hero's ending" or whatever you want to call it. I think that video games are going to compete with movies as the main story telling medium of the 21st century. Video games are evolving to a point where the only limitation is the storytelling ability of their creators. Most of what I've seen on the forums seems to revolve around the idea of Shepard surviving to retire/move on with Shepard's LI. Support for Destroy, and Refuse. I admit I have chosen Destroy a couple of times just so my Shep could survive.

The main theme of ME3 is victory through sacrifice. Lt. Victus, Mordin and Eve, Legion. Shepard giving the ultimate sacrifice for the ultimate victory over the Reapers fits with this theme. I realize that there are other problems with the ending, but I don't have a problem with Shepard dying, and I appreciate that Bioware went in a different direction.

[xsdob]

Meh, I accepted it as part of being a fanbase, I like that which is hated, simple as that really.

[megamacka]

fil009 wrote...

Please help me understand how the Catalyst makes sense?

Problem=?