Cullens defience is from build up. Hawke was the last straw. Through out this thole thing Cullen has voiced his opinion and that this should not be going on. But you and Xil think mages=inocent, pure, fluffy and need to be protected and Templars=big bad evil man who are the boogyman.LobselVith8 wrote...
If my protagonist can be pro-mage, why bother having an opponent at my side?
Modifié par Mr.House, 26 septembre 2012 - 02:31 .
Every loyalist templar is a heartless killer or an enabler of such. They can still be redeemed, of course.Mr.House wrote...
Love how you ignore any positives, also Meredith was the one who started the "coup" , something that even Cullen disagreeded with. But hey if you want to think every templar is a heartless killer be my guest.Xilizhra wrote...
Well, he's a high-powered leader of a tyrannical, bigoted army of religious zealots who effectively launched a coup in Kirkwall and have been grinding the life out of the mages in their prison for years on end. Also, he helps lead the genocide attempt at the end of the game. So, y'know. Dealbreakers.motomotogirl wrote...
WTF is up with the Cullen hate.
Mr.House wrote...
LobselVith8 wrote...
If my protagonist can be pro-mage, why bother having an opponent at my side?
Cullens defience is from build up. Hawke was the last straw. Through out this thole thing Cullen has voiced his opinion and that this should be going on. But you and Xil think mages=inocent, pure, fluffy and need to be protected and Templars=big bad evil man who are the boogyman.
Cullen changed in seven years in DA2, who's to say Cullen won't in the massive gap between DA2 and DA3? Cullen's eyes where open alot and saw what happens when a templar with too much power and too much hate can do, he has seen the extreams from both sides(The mage fiasco in Ferelden and Merediths little "stunt in Kirkwall). Him being neutral makes the most sense considering what he has been through.LobselVith8 wrote...
Mr.House wrote...
LobselVith8 wrote...
If my protagonist can be pro-mage, why bother having an opponent at my side?
Cullens defience is from build up. Hawke was the last straw. Through out this thole thing Cullen has voiced his opinion and that this should be going on. But you and Xil think mages=inocent, pure, fluffy and need to be protected and Templars=big bad evil man who are the boogyman.
I'm an opponent of slavery and oppression. No one should be forced to live a life of servitude to the Chantry.
As for Cullen, unless he's fight for mage autonomy, why would he fight for a pro-mage protagonist? He'd fit more with a neutral or pro-templar protagonist.
I consider it probable that he could be brought around to fighting for mage autonomy.As for Cullen, unless he's fight for mage autonomy, why would he fight for a pro-mage protagonist? He'd fit more with a neutral or pro-templar protagonist.
Xilizhra wrote...
He's argued with them about many things, such as the legality of the Annulment and atheism. He's never once said that I or anyone else is incorrect about our opinions of the templars such as I have stated here.
Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 26 septembre 2012 - 02:48 .
KiwiQuiche wrote...
Actually does anyone know how long is the time gap between DA2 and 3?
Mr.House wrote...
LobselVith8 wrote...
I'm an opponent of slavery and oppression. No one should be forced to live a life of servitude to the Chantry.
As for Cullen, unless he's fight for mage autonomy, why would he fight for a pro-mage protagonist? He'd fit more with a neutral or pro-templar protagonist.
Cullen changed in seven years in DA2, who's to say Cullen won't in the massive gap between DA2 and DA3? Cullen's eyes where open alot and saw what happens when a templar with too much power and too much hate can do, he has seen the extreams from both sides(The mage fiasco in Ferelden and Merediths little "stunt in Kirkwall). Him being neutral makes the most sense considering what he has been through.
Modifié par iSignIn, 26 septembre 2012 - 03:06 .
You keep using this example as if it has any weight. All that shows is the Warden can have this as an opinion. (S)he can also have no issue with it.LobselVith8 wrote...
The Warden can even express it's a "prison" and an "oppressive place."
Honestly, I'd say he'd be malleable. You'd have to phrase it well, but I believe he'd come around.LobselVith8 wrote...
Mr.House wrote...
LobselVith8 wrote...
I'm an opponent of slavery and oppression. No one should be forced to live a life of servitude to the Chantry.
As for Cullen, unless he's fight for mage autonomy, why would he fight for a pro-mage protagonist? He'd fit more with a neutral or pro-templar protagonist.
Cullen changed in seven years in DA2, who's to say Cullen won't in the massive gap between DA2 and DA3? Cullen's eyes where open alot and saw what happens when a templar with too much power and too much hate can do, he has seen the extreams from both sides(The mage fiasco in Ferelden and Merediths little "stunt in Kirkwall). Him being neutral makes the most sense considering what he has been through.
And how do you think Cullen would possibly respond if the protagonist wants to fight for mage autonomy? For Aldenon the Wise's dream of equality for all? Some of us aren't interested in restoring the status quo.
No those are called mage supporters =PXilizhra wrote...
I'm pretty sure the Templar Order is being portrayed in exactly the way it's supposed to be portrayed. They're not supposed to live up to any supposed ideals; they're supposed to be vicious bigoted hypocrites out of touch with any reality
Modifié par XxDeonxX, 26 septembre 2012 - 03:41 .
LobselVith8 wrote...
Mr.House wrote...
LobselVith8 wrote...
I'm an opponent of slavery and oppression. No one should be forced to live a life of servitude to the Chantry.
As for Cullen, unless he's fight for mage autonomy, why would he fight for a pro-mage protagonist? He'd fit more with a neutral or pro-templar protagonist.
Cullen changed in seven years in DA2, who's to say Cullen won't in the massive gap between DA2 and DA3? Cullen's eyes where open alot and saw what happens when a templar with too much power and too much hate can do, he has seen the extreams from both sides(The mage fiasco in Ferelden and Merediths little "stunt in Kirkwall). Him being neutral makes the most sense considering what he has been through.
And how do you think Cullen would possibly respond if the protagonist wants to fight for mage autonomy? For Aldenon the Wise's dream of equality for all? Some of us aren't interested in restoring the status quo.
KiwiQuiche wrote...
Actually does anyone know how long the time gap between DA2 and 3 is?
brushyourteeth wrote...
KiwiQuiche wrote...
Actually does anyone know how long the time gap between DA2 and 3 is?
If it takes place after the events in "Asunder" (which seems likely, or we'd have major in-game plot twist spoilers), it'd need to be at least a year and a half after Anders' action in Kirkwall.
Could be 50 years after that for all we know, but Cassandra's interrogation of Varric throughout DAII probably took place a few years after the Kirkwall rebellion. I can't tell you exactly how many - I'd have to scrutinize the DA timeline again.
*claps*XxDeonxX wrote...
brushyourteeth wrote...
KiwiQuiche wrote...
Actually does anyone know how long the time gap between DA2 and 3 is?
If it takes place after the events in "Asunder" (which seems likely, or we'd have major in-game plot twist spoilers), it'd need to be at least a year and a half after Anders' action in Kirkwall.
Could be 50 years after that for all we know, but Cassandra's interrogation of Varric throughout DAII probably took place a few years after the Kirkwall rebellion. I can't tell you exactly how many - I'd have to scrutinize the DA timeline again.
The attempted / sucessful annulment of kirkwall's circle of magi at the end of DA2 took place in 9:37 Dragon. The Events of Asunder and Varric's interrogation by Cassandra take place in 9:40 Dragon. Ima hazard a guess that DA3 take place somewhere between 9:41 and 9:45 dragon
Modifié par brushyourteeth, 26 septembre 2012 - 01:56 .
Xilizhra wrote...
Every loyalist templar is a heartless killer or an enabler of such
thenemesis1 wrote...
What is so good about this guy...the guy would not listen to my Warden..even after I saved the mage tower..geezz..but heck I know the girls like him.
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holdenagincourt wrote...
Well. There are always going to be a couple characters who are necessary to move the plot forward in a BioWare game. If one of them's not Cullen in DA3 it'll be someone else.
It's entirely possible that it'll be someone more unsatisfactory to you and many others than Cullen. Cullen is a pretty moderate templar and possesses integrity. Anders, to assent to your analogy, would fit neither of those characterizations, so I understand why he's such a controversial character.
I don't know, as someone who usually sympathizes with the mages I wouldn't mind Cullen as a plot-armored companion (as long as he doesn't receive a personality transplant) because while he would represent a specific faction and ideology (i.e. the Chantry voice) in the party, he would fall in line behind me and not shoot off the rails into the puzzle factory like Anders.
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