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[upsettingshorts]

syllogi wrote...

It would be really nice if some effort were put into cameos, both in their model's appearance and their writing.

Why assume the result is due to a lack of effort?

[Herr Uhl]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

syllogi wrote...

It would be really nice if some effort were put into cameos, both in their model's appearance and their writing.

Why assume the result is due to a lack of effort?

Because it is nicer than attributing it to malice or incompetence if you see it as subpar?

[upsettingshorts]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

syllogi wrote...

It would be really nice if some effort were put into cameos, both in their model's appearance and their writing.

Why assume the result is due to a lack of effort?

Because it is nicer than attributing it to malice or incompetence if you see it as subpar?

Why are malice, incompetence, or lack of effort the only options?  Who is making this list of limited assumptions we must jump to conclusions from?

Can they be accused of malice, incompetence, or a lack of effort too?  

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 26 septembre 2012 - 03:25 .

[syllogi]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

syllogi wrote...

It would be really nice if some effort were put into cameos, both in their model's appearance and their writing.

Why assume the result is due to a lack of effort?

For the sake of argument, what is your assumption when it comes to something like Zevran's bugged cameo?  I believe it was fixed recently, but it stayed that way through several patches.  What am I supposed to assume about the effort put into that?

Every criticism is not a personal attack against the devs, I genuinely would rather they not put characters from past games into the next one if they don't have the resources to make the appearance really memorable.

[Masha Potato]

Oh i can imagine the writing team maliciously writing horrible cameos, laughing themselves to tears at the very thought of the fanrage they will bring. That's what i would do anyway.

[syllogi]

Masha Potato wrote...

Oh i can imagine the writing team maliciously writing horrible cameos, laughing themselves to tears at the very thought of the fanrage they will bring. That's what i would do anyway.

I would prefer malicious, fanrage baiting cameos to ones that mostly consist of catchphrases or are bugged.   Malice means they care.  

[goofyomnivore]

Yeah I'm just glad this didn't make it into the game.


Feel bad for the Zev and Alistair fans.

Modifié par strive, 26 septembre 2012 - 03:41 .

[Herr Uhl]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Why are malice, incompetence, or lack of effort the only options?  Who is making this list of limited assumptions we must jump to conclusions from?

Can they be accused of malice, incompetence, or a lack of effort too?  

Right, accusing them of lack of effort (this tends to denote constraints such budget and time as well as half-assery) is something that means that their work might realign with your tastes at some point in the future if you don't appreciate it. If you instead assume that it is the best they can do or what they intended to do, there is a smaller chance that you'll enjoy their future work.

[Emzamination]

strive wrote...

Yeah I'm just glad this didn't make it into the game.


Feel bad for the Zev and Alistair fans.

That's player made.The devs wouldn't give morrigan common mage robes.

[goofyomnivore]

As I understood it, it is from a .msh file found in a folder named Morrigan that a mod author extracted. The only thing the author claimed to have edited to it was the hair.

http://dragonage.nex...s.com/mods/2657

Modifié par strive, 26 septembre 2012 - 03:45 .

[Masha Potato]

syllogi wrote...

I would prefer malicious, fanrage baiting cameos to ones that mostly consist of catchphrases or are bugged. Malice means they care.

What do you mean by "catchphrases"? DA cameos are a pretty tricky thing, because you'd have to balance out all the variables, thus it would be impossible to go into much detail without dumping huge loads of resources in it. And it would certainly not be a good example of resource management.

There's also another thing - people assume that camoes are somehow a "let's please our fans" feature, but it could as well be a plot point of relative importance, no matter how insignificant it might appear. So i don't see how the "i am not pleased by it next time you shouldn't even try" approach would work.

Aaaand bugs are a technical problem that is absolutely irrelevant to this sort of discussion, so let's try not to drop all the eggs into one basket.

[Emzamination]

strive wrote...

As I understood it, it is from a .msh file found in a folder named Morrigan that a mod author extracted. The only thing the author claimed to have edited to it was the hair.

http://dragonage.nex...s.com/mods/2657

Yeah, I knew it didn't look right.Also that leliana looks nothing like the model in the faith quest.

[GGW KillerTiger]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

So lighting makes you look fatter?

Yes the brighter the area the fatter and more depressed you look

[syllogi]

Masha Potato wrote...

syllogi wrote...

I would prefer malicious, fanrage baiting cameos to ones that mostly consist of catchphrases or are bugged. Malice means they care.

What do you mean by "catchphrases"? DA cameos are a pretty tricky thing, because you'd have to balance out all the variables, thus it would be impossible to go into much detail without dumping huge loads of resources in it. And it would certainly not be a good example of resource management.

There's also another thing - people assume that camoes are somehow a "let's please our fans" feature, but it could as well be a plot point of relative importance, no matter how insignificant it might appear. So i don't see how the "i am not pleased by it next time you shouldn't even try" approach would work.

Aaaand bugs are a technical problem that is absolutely irrelevant to this sort of discussion, so let's try not to drop all the eggs into one basket.

Well, I don't think Leliana's appearances, both in the main game, and in Exiled Prince, were gratuitous, and while she didn't look exactly like her old self, I recognized her immediately (plus her new model is pretty attractive anyway, IMO).  If we get more Leliana type of cameos, and fewer "swooping is bad" references just for the sake of having them, I'd be satisfied.

I understand that cameos can't take up too much room, but would you have really wanted to see Morrigan, and not have her mention whether she had done the Dark Ritual, had the OGB, or had Flemeth killed in the last game?  And somehow she had to work "tis cold in my tent" into casual conversation?  That would be eye roll inducing, at least to me.  I'm glad that Morrigan wasn't included this time around, if we couldn't get at least a full mission devoted to meeting her again.

As for a bugged cameo, yeah, I think it's worth mentioning, when it's a big one that wasn't fixed for over a year.  Anyone who romanced Zevran was affected, and while those players might not be the biggest part of the player base, it does affect your game experience, when a character you liked enough to have romanced in the last game is now oblivious to that fact, and is flirting with your new character (or going off with Isabela).  

[Masha Potato]

Funny thing about Zevran bug - i thought the bugged version was perfectly in character I'm as upset as the next person about this, Zevran being my favorite DAO waifu, but as far as i remember his glitch was of a very complicated nature and went all the way back to Awakening, so it wasn't something easily fixable. Sad, i know, but what can you do.

[hoorayforicecream]

GGW KillerTiger wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

So lighting makes you look fatter?

Yes the brighter the area the fatter and more depressed you look

Lighting has a huge effect on the way humans perceive things. Even in real life, lighting plays a large part in how things look. Fashion shows and photography are all affected by lighting... it's why they have terms for types of lighting, like 'warm' or 'cool', or why things in fluorescent lighting look harsh.

[BouncyFrag]

Well, if they were going for the malnourished childhood look, they nailed it.

[Atakuma]

Since they are using a new engine, they probably had to build a new headmorph system, so I suspect people will look different yet again.

[EricHVela]

There was a mention about the availability to bring resources from the second Dragon Age into Frostbite 2. (This was in regards to a concern about having to rebuild everything for Frostbite 2.)

I did not see any mention of bringing resources from DA:O into Frostbite 2, yet. I'm inclined to think they're planning to use the second Dragon Age resources as a short-cut to development instead of DA:O.

As for Zevran, they had to Photoshop-smear him like they did with all the other elves to make them all the same (except Tallis).

[Wulfram]

Well there's DA:O stuff in DA2.

[syllogi]

Masha Potato wrote...

Funny thing about Zevran bug - i thought the bugged version was perfectly in character I'm as upset as the next person about this, Zevran being my favorite DAO waifu, but as far as i remember his glitch was of a very complicated nature and went all the way back to Awakening, so it wasn't something easily fixable. Sad, i know, but what can you do.

Personally, if they had purposely made him forget about the Warden, I would have seen it as a Jacob Taylor style dismissal of fans of his romance, and that would have been unfortunate, but they didn't do that.  They had to choose not to fix a bug related to the character's appearance, because they felt there were bigger issues.  I understand that, but in my opinion, I'd have rather not seen Zevran than see him with the bug, and know that there should have been a different kind of interaction, based on my import.

[Doveberry]

Alistair looked terrible (though strangely not in that particular screenshot). Zevran, on the other hand, looked much better in DA2 than he did in DAO (in my opinion), though he didn't really look like himself.

[Tootles FTW]

I always found it funny (and irritating) that Leliana's DA2 import model is *gorgeous*, but Alistair was made pig-nosed (he had a strong Roman-esque nose in DAO, wtf designers?!) and Zevran turned into Dobby from Harry Potter. Oy.

[Masha Potato]

Bioware's misandry agenda

[Mr.House]

Really, Alistair, Zev, Sandal and Bodhans crappy face make no sense when you look at Anders, Isabela, Cullen, Nate, Leli, Merrill and the Dalish keeper. Those where done well, so it really just feels like Bioware didmn't care about Alistair,Zev, Sandal and Bodhan and just did lazy job(Zevs cameo is well writen, but the bugs ruin it)